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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

Two FL aircraft have been scheduled to be converted into WN configuration. There are not many details.

#7714 will be converted from FEB 19 - APR 14 in PAE
#7702 will be converted from MAR 19 - MAY 14 in PAE

Not sure which planes are 7714 and 7702 or what designation this means, yet.


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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8364 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Thread starter):

#7714 will be converted from FEB 19 - APR 14 in PAE
#7702 will be converted from MAR 19 - MAY 14 in PAE

Assuming...and I am probably wrong...

7714 would be Fleet 714 which is a 717-200...

N954AT 55016 5036 Boeing 717-2BD C12Y105 26-10-2000 714

N940AT 55004 5005 Boeing 717-2BD C12Y105 26-11-1999 N717XE 702

So are they 717's? That is again assuming that Air Tran goes by Fleet Number...I could be totally wrong!

Alex



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8344 times:

By conversion, does that also mean a re-paint as well?

User currently offlineswalifebtw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8052 times:

Nice, but where did you get you're info....      

User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3104 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Thread starter):
Two FL aircraft have been scheduled to be converted into WN configuration.

Which means what. Interior colors, seating, exterior paint change and/or............................


User currently offlineswalifebtw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 1):
Assuming...and I am probably wrong...

7714 would be Fleet 714 which is a 717-200...

N954AT 55016 5036 Boeing 717-2BD C12Y105 26-10-2000 714

N940AT 55004 5005 Boeing 717-2BD C12Y105 26-11-1999 N717XE 702

So are they 717's? That is again assuming that Air Tran goes by Fleet Number...I could be totally wrong!

Alex

No the -700 will be converted first to be easily intergrated into WN current fleet/routes. 717's are secondary.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7786 times:

Quoting swalifebtw (Reply 3):
Nice, but where did you get you're info....

From you!!!  



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7555 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 2):
By conversion, does that also mean a re-paint as well?
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
Which means what. Interior colors, seating, exterior paint change and/or............................

By conversion, I mean it will go in as an AirTran 737 and come out a Southwest 737. You name it, and it'll change into WN.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7501 times:
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Is it really necessary for the plane to be 2 months in a hangar? I mean, it could easily be done in 2 weeks.


avi8
User currently onlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4678 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 8):
Is it really necessary for the plane to be 2 months in a hangar? I mean, it could easily be done in 2 weeks.

Perhaps it's done together with a heavy check? 2 months is still excessive in that case, but who knows!



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User currently offlineck8msp From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

Is this work being done by Boeing at PAE?

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
Perhaps it's done together with a heavy check? 2 months is still excessive in that case, but who knows!

Converting from FL to WN would also mean taking out the XM radio and whatnot (at least I would think). A de-mod like that can take a while.



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):
Converting from FL to WN would also mean taking out the XM radio and whatnot (at least I would think). A de-mod like that can take a while
Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
Perhaps it's done together with a heavy check? 2 months is still excessive in that case, but who knows!

What's the differences between the flight decks? If the panels have to be modified I could see where that would take two months... or is it just a matter of loading different software?


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):

Converting from FL to WN would also mean taking out the XM radio and whatnot (at least I would think). A de-mod like that can take a while.

Don't think WN is doing that at the same time, as WN had announced they planned to remove all of XM by end of February so it shouldn't be taking THAT long...

It started December 19th, by end of February will be a little over 2 months for "only" 140 FL birds.

http://www.ajc.com/business/airtrans-xm-satellite-radio-1264880.html

The satellite radio equipment will be completely removed from the planes by Feb. 28.
*Side note...did they forget it is a leap year? Feb 29th?  

Alex



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7276 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 13):
Side note...did they forget it is a leap year? Feb 29th?

Oh no, they forgot my birthday (yes I actually get one this year)


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 13):
Don't think WN is doing that at the same time, as WN had announced they planned to remove all of XM by end of February so it shouldn't be taking THAT long...

Hmmmm....that's interesting. I would just assume that removing the corresponding XEBs, DPCU's and whatnot would take longer than that. Guess that was a very well put together de-mod line they had set up!

~H81



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User currently offlinegr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1603 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Galleys, lavatories, seats, carpets, flight deck, etc. The aircraft will be basically gutted and will emerge indistinguishable from current WN 73Gs. The 717s will just get new seats, carpet and paint.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2097 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 16):
Galleys, lavatories, seats, carpets, flight deck, etc. The aircraft will be basically gutted and will emerge indistinguishable from current WN 73Gs.

How nice of WN to take out one of the bathrooms in the back....

There can't be much different between the WN and FL birds in the cockpits, except a HUD.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2316 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 17):
There can't be much different between the WN and FL birds in the cockpits, except a HUD.

WN 737-700 Cockpit :


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FL 737-700 Cockpit :


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Photo © Scott Kiel



Notice the nose number.. Much like 555 and 556WN ( The two FL deliveries in the current WN fleet ), have a digital standby instrument, no HUD, and a few other oddities. 555 and 556 also have the VHF Antennae and have a selcal code which is something that isn't on the standard WN 73NG



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User currently offlineswalifebtw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

After further investigation it appears that

N300AT (33923/2083) will become N7714


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting ck8msp (Reply 10):
Is this work being done by Boeing at PAE?

No. I assume it's being done by Aviation Technical Services, but I can't say for sure (they've leased quite a bit of their space to Boeing for 787 rework). Anyone with WN know if this is the case? I'm not aware of any other airframe servicer on the field, so I assume it's ATS...I know WN was sending birds there when it was still Goodrich.



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4638 times:
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Quoting swalifebtw (Reply 19):

N300AT (33923/2083) will become N7714

Most likely N7714B, which Southwest has reserved. N7714 is already registered to somebody else.


User currently offlineswalifebtw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 21):
Most likely N7714B, which Southwest has reserved. N7714 is already registered to somebody else.

Yes that's correct... N7114B


User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

From what I have heard and it's my understanding all but 18 or 20 FL 737-700 will go for conversion at a rate of 2 or 3 planes every 25 days starting in FEB. Along with the FL 737-700 conversions and 800 deliveries 1- 700 and 1- 800 will be used to replace 2 737-500 retirements every month starting FEB-DEC 2012 until all 25 737-500 are gone.Then starting JAN 2013 5 717-200 every 15 days will get a new seat lay out off 117 and WN paint. And now that the pilots are merging there work groups the first 717 retirement is not until 2017-18. Also with the 717 will have SOUTHWEST.COM along the fuselage instead of the tail like the 737. For the FA's and PROVO the 717 will have the same 737-800 half cart's in the galleys for bevrage service.This will make it easy for the Provo agents to roll up to 717 or 800 and restock quickly without a need for another type of cart stocked on the trucks. That's all I have for rumors this month and to my good source of info and friend from HDQ after 30+ years at WN I hope you enjoy your retirement!!!! Your emails, phone calls and good times at spirit party's will be missed happy landings to were ever they may take you..wnfg   xoxo


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4142 times:
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Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 23):
Then starting JAN 2013 5 717-200 every 15 days will get a new seat lay out off 117 and WN paint. And now that the pilots are merging there work groups the first 717 retirement is not until 2017-18. Also with the 717 will have SOUTHWEST.COM along the fuselage instead of the tail like the 737.


I'd have to see it.

The paint scheme looks fine without SOUTHWEST.COM on the side.




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[Edited 2012-01-07 18:33:44]

25 Post contains images atrude777 : I can see that though. When WN had the 727, another T Tail aircraft SOUTHWEST could not fit on the T Tail they had to move it to the Body of the Plan
26 atrude777 : Yep! Next FL Bird to convert will be N302AT into N7702. Alex
27 Post contains images QANTAS747-438 : Ugh, this should be fun trying to figure out what type of a/c it is based on the tail number.
28 swacle : If I had to guess, OTIS and all flight documentation (bin slips, flight packets, etc.) will utilize the new "ship numbers" which will be on the nose
29 akelley728 : Why are some of the FL birds not getting converted?
30 wnflyguy : 18 to 20 737-700 will remain as FL and operated as FL on caribbean and Mexico routes for the next 2 or 3 years until the new WN reservation system is
31 PHLBOS : Having the SOUTHWEST titles along the fuselage will likely mean that the current sport-themed 717s will only receive a change in airline title decals
32 kgaiflyer : So these will be "AirTran -- operated by Southwest" jets ? If so, that makes a lot of sense.
33 kgaiflyer : With my at-home satellite radio, you just take away the antenna, and it's dead as a door-nail. No need for major surgery. The new seats simply won't
34 SPREE34 : Unlike your at home system, the remaining equipment in the airframe cost money in the form of fuel burn, due to the weight of the components still be
35 atrude777 : Well..true the new seats won't have XM Radio but the current seats on FL won't either by the end of February. WN/FL is ripping XM out of every seat b
36 flflyer : The last two FL flights on 737s MCO-MDW already had the XM out.
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