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Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service  
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10904 times:

Emirates airlines today announced the start of nonstop flight between its Dubai homebase and Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam:

http://www.emirates.com/ae/english/a...etail.aspx?article=759494&offset=0

From June 04, the airline will operate a daily A332 in a 2-class operation and the flight will upgauge to a 2-class B77W with the onset of the winter season at the end of October. Proposed schedule for the new service is as follows:

EK0390 DXB SGN 0925 1920
EK0391 SGN DXB 2050 0045

The new flight will operate from the airline's already busy morning departure bank and return into its main midnight arrivals bank. Connectivity of the outbound service is excellent, as EK0390 will connect to all overnight arrivals, including almost 20 overnight services from Europe. Inbound services offer limited direct connectivity to Europe, with short connections only available to the airline's for now small 3am European departure bank.

I would expect this announcement to be followed by further announcements of a number of new destinations and reinforced frequencies during 2012. High on the hitlist of EK should be new services to Stockholm and Barcelone in Europe, and an additional North American destination as well as some further West African expansion. Emirates is also expected to announce additional frequencies to such destinations as Amsterdam, Madrid and Moscow. In Asia, an additional city in Indonesia is in the cards.

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10681 times:

This has been coming.

I'd expect Macau on an A332 in due course and possibly HKT using same eventually. Fuzhou and perhaps Xiamen in China all beckon fairly shortly I'd imagine, rights permitting.

Other routes I expect they'll look at eventually -

LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

Hard to see where else they can fly to!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10669 times:

That´s great...

I always wonder why they didn´t serve Vietnam if they serve almost everywhere around there...

I also though they were going to add a tag on BKK, but a non stop is great...


User currently offlineQantasA333 From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10675 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Hard to see where else they can fly to!

It's gonna be a battlefield to be the first middle eastern carrier to service ADL. Emirates have been putting that one off.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10676 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

Pune with a 77W? DRW? BND? RAK?  

[Edited 2012-01-04 04:16:13]


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User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10587 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

HEL? A couple of years too early.

But:
+ARN (332)
+OSL (332)


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):


Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

Pune with a 77W? DRW? BND? RAK

Pune is an emerging IT centre as firms move out of Mumbai and quite populous – a lot of the migrant workers come from there and it’s a relatively short hop to DXB. They can’t add BOM frequencies easily so I think a two class 77W daily to Pune (PNQ?) would do well I think.

Darwin has good connections for the offshore oil and gas business springing up north and north east of there.

Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there into the MEG and beyond – there is a lot of Chinese investment in Hungary (and Romania) and an A332 might work ok. Not now, but perhaps in 2013?

RAK agree mainly touristy so yields rubbish but a lot of demand for it as a destination – maybe something to look at in future. Good connections to LPA and the Canaries which are big for shipping so yields in front (and cargo) very good.

But hey, what do I know - youre the airline planner guy, right?  



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10307 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
But hey, what do I know - youre the airline planner guy, right?

Not me, no. Still, I think those four are very much down the list of possibilities. But regardless, we shall have to see.  



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10306 times:

Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 3):
It's gonna be a battlefield to be the first middle eastern carrier to service ADL. Emirates have been putting that one off.

Cities like ADL and SGN are why Ek really need a 788/9 size aircraft.



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10263 times:

I think DXB-DTW may need an A388, since the Detroit area has a large Arab population.

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10206 times:
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Seems like they did serve Vietnam in 1996-1997 !


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there into the MEG and beyond – there is a lot of Chinese investment in Hungary (and Romania) and an A332 might work ok. Not now, but perhaps in 2013?

Is Budapest still up and coming ? I suspect it too is suffering financially along with the rest of Hungary. But, in any case, Budapest is already served by QR.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there into the MEG and beyond – there is a lot of Chinese investment in Hungary (and Romania) and an A332 might work ok. Not now, but perhaps in 2013?

Notice I didn't question BUD but rather BWN (I wrongly put BND earlier due to temporary instanity).  

[Edited 2012-01-04 05:44:47]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10130 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 9):
I think DXB-DTW may need an A388, since the Detroit area has a large Arab population.

But how much premium traffic would EK pull on this route? If the DTW-MidEast non-stop market was such a sure shot, you can bet DL would already have a bird heading in that direction...they thus far seem more interested in sending their heavy metal to the other side of the Asian continent and RJ is the only carrier with a non-stop, currently serving DTW-AMM 3x weekly. Not exactly a strong case for that kind of added capacity, especially given the lack of connections on the DTW end with a much more lucrative unserved market (ORD) not that far away...

EK will almost certainly end up at DTW sometime this decade, but I'll be very surprised if they throw an A388 at the route, no matter how many of them they have to go around. The numbers just aren't there. A daily 777 would be more than sufficient.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Nice to see EK fill in the SGN gap on their route map. I'm a little surprised that it didn't start life as a tag-on from say, BKK, but it should do well for them. Even with their limited reach into Europe, the folks at VT can't be too happy about this one...those A350/B787 orders can't roll in soon enough!



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9993 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
DFW (77L)

DFW is already decided. Service starts Feb. 2.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9919 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
Nice to see EK fill in the SGN gap on their route map. I'm a little surprised that it didn't start life as a tag-on from say, BKK, but it should do well for them. Even with their limited reach into Europe, the folks at VT can't be too happy about this one...those A350/B787 orders can't roll in soon enough!

Note that it's the second attempt by EK to serve SGN. EK started flying there some years back only to axe services after a short while. I feel EK's arrival in SGN could impact on Vietnam Air who started a non-stop service into LGW barely one month ago. EK's London-SGN flights will take longer but it will compensate by offering more UK departure points.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9764 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Reply 15):
Note that it's the second attempt by EK to serve SGN. EK started flying there some years back only to axe services after a short while. I feel EK's arrival in SGN could impact on Vietnam Air who started a non-stop service into LGW barely one month ago. EK's London-SGN flights will take longer but it will compensate by offering more UK departure points.

It was indeed a 4 weekly service with the A313 back in 1995-96-97.

It seems QR is doing great on the DOH-SGN/HAN runs.

It will undoubtedly be a success for European connections as far as EK is concerned.



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9756 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 16):
It seems QR is doing great on the DOH-SGN/HAN runs.

I am not disagreeing with you, but based on what?

[Edited 2012-01-04 07:35:18]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9684 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

LED is already part of the EK network, while DFW will be shortly. HEL will see QR service this year and EK has other priorities in Scandinavia, with ARN on top of the to do list. BCN, BRU are likely candidates for EK service, as are IAD, MIA and DTW, although ORD will likely precede DTW. EDI is under consideration given that TK will start flights there, but EK may as well opt for a second daily GLA service. Secondary destinations in France and Italy are being contemplated so LYS is an option. BUD is already served by QR and ZAG in on the QR wishlist. BWN is not the kind of market EK is interested in, and neither is MFM. I believe ADL will see EK service before DRW.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there

BUD is not without service. QR is offering daily service there.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 16):
It seems QR is doing great on the DOH-SGN/HAN runs.

Yet QR recently gave up its nonstop SGN service in favor of a BKK tag on. All of QR's 14 weekly Vietnam flights pass through BKK. EK will offer nonstop flights right away.


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2605 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9661 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
ZAG (772)

Highly unlikely they would launch Zagreb and especially not using a B772. If anything they will do what they did with Belgrade, sned in flydubai.
With Qatar launching ZAG flights doubt they would consider competing with them on such a limited market.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there into the MEG and beyond – there is a lot of Chinese investment in Hungary (and Romania) and an A332 might work ok. Not now, but perhaps in 2013?

No way they would launch Budapest anytime soon. Qatar operates directly there and the loads are not crazy. If anything they would expand first into KBP and WAW.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13017 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9567 times:
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This is definately one of the 'expected expansions.' However, I would have bet on a later start after other route launches. Cest la vie, I guess EK's planning department knows a little more than I do on where to fly.  

Since everyone else is proposing sites, where is Jakarta on EK's route map?

Quoting HB-IWC (Thread starter):
Inbound services offer limited direct connectivity to Europe, with short connections only available to the airline's for now small 3am European departure bank.

This interests me. Why the poor return connection timing? I guess EK will package a short hotel stay until the 7am to 11 am departure wave? Or is this a clue the 3rd European connection wave will grow?  
Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Seems like they did serve Vietnam in 1996-1997 !

Interesting it is taking them almost 15 years to return... Wee bit of early entry into the market?  
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Fuzhou and perhaps Xiamen in China all beckon fairly shortly I'd imagine, rights permitting.

What are EK's rights to China? I'm surprised by the lack of growth. I'd put Xiamen high on the list, but after Wuhan and then Chungdu and Chungking.

Quoting arn777 (Reply 5):
But:
+ARN (332)
+OSL (332)

I would agree.   

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
Cities like ADL and SGN are why Ek really need a 788/9 size aircraft.

Which is why QR bought the 788.  
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
All of QR's 14 weekly Vietnam flights pass through BKK. EK will offer nonstop flights right away.

That I find interesting. I wonder if they will make 7 weekly non-stop to better compete with EK?

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Pune is an emerging IT centre as firms move out of Mumbai and quite populous

PUN seems like a natural, but does EK have any spare India rights? I thought they were maxed out.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9471 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
where is Jakarta on EK's route map?

Twice daily B77W already. I am expecting EK to add a second Indonesian city (DPS or SUB) by extending the new SIN flight EK0354/0355 which sits on the ground for almost 12 hours.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
Why the poor return connection timing?

For the sake of connections, EK would have been better of to keep the aircraft on the ground in SGN until after midnight and return to DXB by 5am, but clearly the airline decided differently. Optimal connectivity to Europe is available with the 3am bank to LHR, LGW, MAN, FRA and CDG, but all other connections have a 7-hour wait at DXB. I presume EK will add another couple of cities to the 3am Europe bank (DME, BHX, ZRH, MXP) which should further improve connectivity.


User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9471 times:

What about Russian Far East and Central Asia? That part of the world is completely blank (apart from Etihad who flies to Astana). Will we see EK or QR in these areas?

User currently offlineronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1660 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9242 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
This interests me. Why the poor return connection timing? I guess EK will package a short hotel stay until the 7am to 11 am departure wave? Or is this a clue the 3rd European connection wave will grow?  

This European bank should just about be all that the SGN service needs to connect to. With the new CDG 3am service, Vietnam is pretty much connected where it needs to be, in both directions on the Emirates network.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8699 times:

Quoting ronerone (Reply 23):
This European bank should just about be all that the SGN service needs to connect to. With the new CDG 3am service, Vietnam is pretty much connected where it needs to be, in both directions on the Emirates network.

With London, Paris and Frankfurt, the 3am bank offers direct connectivity to all but Moscow among VN's European destinations, but then EK is expected to add a DME flight to the 3am bank soon.


25 sq_ek_freak : As far as I knew it was a problem with corruption within the ground handling company as well as issues with freight theft? I didn't think we did have
26 Post contains images ASA : I am assuming by "blank" you mean the dearth of services from the GCC Airlines? That area, otherwise, can be called TK's backyard!
27 Post contains images lightsaber : Better connectivity that I feared... I'm not sure how much demand there is BHX to SGN, but I could see DME, ZRH, and MXP all selling a few seats. Unf
28 vincewy : The majority of the Arab population in Michigan consists of Lebanese, Jordanian, Palestinian, and Syrian. Going through DXB means backtracking all th
29 nethkt : Please, I need a non-stop DXB-HKT doesn't matter if it's A330-200 or B777-200/300. We do need non-stop service non the via KUL a.k.a QR! Hope there wi
30 6thfreedom : Agree. ADL is a city of 1M, DRW 150K. that said, there is a lot of economic activity in northern Australia that gulf carriers would be considering. t
31 byronicle6 : Just throwing it out there, maybe we could see a non-stop DXB-AKL flight from EK at some point? Other Asian ports I could see working: HKT SUB DPS TPE
32 NUAir : I believe it has more to do with excessive fuel prices from Vinapco who have a very bizarre and uncontrolled monopoly (they have been known to not su
33 Post contains links Pe@rson : “We want a lot more from China, at least another four destinations,” said Tim Clark in http://www.flightglobal.com/page/interviews/tim-clark/the-
34 rajrs : And Pune is major Automobile hub also , but flight with 777 is not possible due to runway length. LH operating Privatair 737 on FRA-PNQ route.
35 LH422 : I think that would be kind of neat, and for once, a ULH route I might even get to use (we don't get many of those in Europe). It would be 400 nm long
36 sandyb123 : Umm maybe I've missed something but when did TK announce EDI? There has been a few rumours and I know from speaking to management at EDI there is a w
37 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I'm still trying to get my mind around the limited return connections to Europe for this flight. Are the 'in-airport' hotels crowded at midnight to 7a
38 HB-IWC : I have heard over and over again that the new EK345/355 would be extended to DPS but so far it has not happened. I still believe it is the prime cand
39 Post contains images PezySPU : Definitely not any time soon, especially if QR launches the announced A320 service.
40 Post contains links arn777 : EK is looking for Norwegain CC now: http://www.finn.no/finn/job/fulltime/object?finnkode=32555949 I have a feeling we will see more EK in Scandinavia
41 sandyb123 : Do you have a source for this? Nothing on the TK or EDI airports and nothing coming up on Google. The only thing I can find is the booking sites offe
42 Post contains links Pe@rson : Interesting pieces from a Routesonline* article: 1) Starting with a two-class Airbus A330-200 but plans to upgrade the route to a two-class Boeing 777
43 IndianicWorld : MFM is already well served by their flights into HKG. I can not see the point of EK having both destinations. DRW is no chance, but ADL definately is
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