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OAG Changes 1/6/2012: AM/CO/DL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7723 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9896 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


*AA DFW-ANC MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*AA DFW-DSM APR 8>5 MAY 8>5 JUN 8>5 JUL 8>5 AUG 8>5 SEP 8>5
*AA DFW-EGE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*AA DFW-JAC JUL 0>1.1 AUG 0>1.1 SEP 0>1.0

AB LAS-DUS MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3

AF IAD-CDG FEB 1.5>1.3

AM FAT-GDL FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 1.0>0.8
AM LAS-MEX MAR 3>1.5
AM LAS-MTY MAR 0.5>0.4
AM LAX-GDL MAR 3>2
AM MIA-MID MAR 0.4>0.3
AM ORD-MEX FEB 3>1.8 MAR 2>1.8
AM ORD-ZCL MAR 0.4>0.3
AM SAT-MTY MAR 0.6>0.7
AM SMF-GDL FEB 0.8>0.9 MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 1.0>0.8

AT JFK-CMN AUG 1.7>1.6

BR SFO-TPE JUL 1.5>1.7 AUG 1.6>1.7 SEP 1.3>1.5

Some short term cuts at CLE it appears
CO CLE-ATL APR 5>3
CO CLE-CVG APR 3>1.4
CO CLE-LGA MAR 8>7
CO CLE-NAS JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.1>0
CO CLE-PIT APR 4>3
CO DEN-BIS FEB 0>0.9
CO DEN-DRO FEB 0>0.8
CO DEN-MTJ FEB 0>1.0
CO DEN-PIA FEB 0>0.9
CO EWR-BDA JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.4 AUG 1.0>1.2
CO EWR-CHS APR 3>4
CO EWR-GCM JUL 0.3>0.1
CO EWR-MBJ JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 0.9>0.7
CO EWR-NAS JUL 1.1>2 AUG 0.9>1.3
CO EWR-PTY JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.3>1.4
CO EWR-PVR JUL 0.3>0.1
CO EWR-SAL JUL 0.1>0.3
CO EWR-STT JUN 0.5>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3
CO EWR-TPA APR 6>7
CO GUM-SPN SEP 0>6
CO IAD-ALB FEB 0>1.5
CO IAD-BTV FEB 0>0.8
CO IAD-BUF FEB 0>1.0
CO IAD-CLE FEB 0>5 MAR 0>4
CO IAD-EWR FEB 6>7 MAR 5>6
CO IAD-ORF FEB 0>1.1
CO IAD-PIT FEB 0>1.4
CO IAD-PVD FEB 0>0.9
CO IAD-SYR FEB 0>1.3
CO IAH-ABQ APR 6>4
CO IAH-ACA MAY 0.7>0.5
CO IAH-AGU JUN 1.1>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.5 AUG 1.0>1.2
CO IAH-AMA APR 3>4
CO IAH-ATL APR 7>8
CO IAH-BHM APR 7>6
CO IAH-BOS APR 4>5
CO IAH-CUU JUN 1.1>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.5 AUG 1.0>1.2
CO IAH-DEN FEB 8>9 MAR 8>9
CO IAH-DGO JUN 0.5>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.8
CO IAH-GRR APR 2>1.0
CO IAH-JAX APR 5>4
CO IAH-LFT APR 8>9
CO IAH-LIR JUN 1.9>3 AUG 0.9>1.1
CO IAH-MBJ JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 1.0>1.1
CO IAH-MGA JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3
CO IAH-MID JUN 0.7>0.9
CO IAH-MLM MAY 2>1.8
CO IAH-MZT JUN 0.9>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7
CO IAH-PBC JUN 1.1>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.5 AUG 1.0>1.2
CO IAH-PHX APR 5>4
CO IAH-QRO JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
CO IAH-SAP JUN 1.1>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.4
CO IAH-SJD JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 3>2
CO IAH-SJU JUN 1.2>1.3 JUL 1.1>1.3
CO IAH-SLP JUN 1.2>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.4
CO IAH-SLW JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.9>1.0
CO IAH-TAM JUN 1.1>1.4 JUL 1.3>1.4
CO IAH-TGU JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.1
CO IAH-TRC JUN 1.1>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.5 AUG 1.0>1.2
CO IAH-TUS APR 5>4
CO IAH-VSA JUN 1.1>1.4 JUL 1.1>1.4 AUG 1.1>1.2
CO LAX-MRY FEB 0>0.7
CO ORD-CLE FEB 5>11 MAR 5>10 APR 11>12
CO ORD-EWR APR 7>8
CO ORD-FLL APR 1.0>2
CO ORD-GRR FEB 0>1.0
CO ORD-LIT FEB 0>0.8
CO ORD-TUL FEB 0>0.9
CO ORD-YOW FEB 0>0.9
CO SFO-BOI FEB 0>0.9
CO SFO-EUG FEB 0>1.0
CO SFO-GDL FEB 0.5>1.0
CO SFO-GEG FEB 0>1.0
CO SFO-ONT FEB 0>1.0
CO SFO-PSP FEB 0>1.0
CO SFO-RNO FEB 0>1.0

DL APN-PLN APR 0>1.7
DL ATL-ABQ MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2
*DL ATL-CDG MAR 2>1.7 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
DL ATL-DEN MAY 7>8 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9 SEP 7>8
*DL ATL-MSL APR 1.9>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0
DL ATL-SDF MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9
DL ATL-VPS MAY 8>9 SEP 8>9
Wow, it appears to be a temporary suspension. Where does the slot go?
**DL BOS-CDG MAR 0.2>0 APR 1.0>0
DL CVG-EWR MAY 4>3
DL DFW-MSP APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7 SEP 6>7
DL DTW-JAX APR 1.9>1.2 MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 1.8>0.8 JUL 1.9>0.9 AUG 1.9>0.9 SEP 1.8>0.8
DL DTW-PLN APR 1.9>0
*DL GLH-PIB APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
DL JFK-BOS MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
DL JFK-YUL JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
More cuts out West
*DL LAX-OAK MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4
DL LGA-DCA APR 13>14 MAY 13>14 JUL 13>14 AUG 13>14
DL LGA-SAV MAR 1.6>1.2
*DL MEM-PIB APR 1.9>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0
DL MEM-TUL APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.9>3 JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3
*DL MSL-TUP APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
DL SLC-YYC APR 1.9>1.2 MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 1.8>1.6

G4 ATW-SFB MAY 0.2>0.1
G4 AZA-LAS MAY 0.9>1.6 JUN 0.3>1.7 JUL 0.3>1.7 AUG 0.3>1.7 SEP 0.3>1.7
G4 AZA-OAK JUN 0.1>0.9 JUL 0.2>0.8 AUG 0.1>0.9 SEP 0.1>0.9
G4 BLI-LAS MAY 1.9>4 JUN 0.8>4 JUL 1.0>4 AUG 0.8>4 SEP 0.8>4
G4 FAT-LAS JUN 0.1>0.8 JUL 0.2>0.9 AUG 0.1>0.9 SEP 0.1>0.9
G4 ICT-LAS JUN 0.1>0.9 JUL 0.2>0.8 AUG 0.1>0.9 SEP 0.1>0.9
G4 LAS-MFE JUN 0.1>0.8 JUL 0.2>0.8 AUG 0.1>0.9 SEP 0.1>0.9
G4 LAS-SCK JUN 0.3>1.1 JUL 0.3>1.1 AUG 0.3>1.2 SEP 0.3>1.2
G4 PSP-SCK MAY 0.2>0.1

IB JFK-MAD FEB 1.6>1.5
IB MIA-MAD FEB 1.3>1.2

*K5 JBR-MEM FEB 3>1.1 MAR 3>0

KE LAX-ICN AUG 4>3

*KL MIA-AMS MAR 0.5>0.4 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.7>0

OK DCA-JFK FEB 0>1.0
OK JFK-ORD FEB 0>1.0

PY MIA-GEO APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3

*SN JFK-BRU JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

SQ IAH-DME APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.7

TA IAH-SAL FEB 1.6>1.1 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.6>1.0 MAY 1.5>1.0 JUN 1.6>1.0 JUL 1.6>1.0 AUG 1.6>1.0 SEP 1.6>1.0
*TA MCO-GUA APR 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0
TA MCO-SAL FEB 0.4>0.6 APR 0.4>0.6 MAY 0.4>0.6 JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.6 SEP 0.4>0.6

TN LAX-CDG FEB 0.5>0.3

UA DEN-CLE APR 1.9>1.0 MAY 0.9>0
UA DEN-ELP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
UA DEN-LGA APR 3>5
UA DEN-MEX JUL 0.1>0.3
UA DEN-PVR JUL 0.3>0.1
UA IAD-AUA JUL 0.1>0.3
UA IAD-CLE APR 4>0 MAY 4>0
UA IAD-EWR APR 4>0 MAY 4>0
UA IAD-MIA APR 2>3
UA IAD-PDX APR 1.0>0
UA IAH-DEN APR 1.0>0 MAY 4>3
UA IAH-IAD APR 3>1.2 MAY 4>2
UA IAH-PHL APR 1.0>1.8
UA ORD-ATL APR 8>7
UA ORD-BUF APR 5>4
UA ORD-BWI APR 5>4
UA ORD-CLE APR 7>1.0 MAY 7>1.0 JUN 7>6
UA ORD-CUN JUL 1.1>1.0
UA ORD-EWR APR 10>8 MAY 8>6
UA ORD-IAH APR 2>1.3 MAY 2>1.0
UA ORD-ICT APR 5>4
UA ORD-IND APR 9>10
UA ORD-LAX APR 11>10
UA ORD-MLI APR 7>6
UA ORD-PIT APR 5>4
*UA OTH-PDX APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
UA SFO-ACV APR 6>7
UA SFO-ORD APR 14>13
UA SFO-PSP APR 3>7 MAY 3>6 JUN 2>3
UA SFO-SNA MAY 7>8

UN MIA-DME APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3

*US CLT-DSM APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*US CLT-OMA APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
US DCA-BDL APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
US DCA-BGR APR 0.1>2 MAY 0.1>2 JUN 0.2>2 JUL 0.1>2 AUG 0.1>2 SEP 0.2>2
*US DCA-BHM MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3
*US DCA-FAY APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
US DCA-IND APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
*US DCA-ISP APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*US DCA-LIT APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*US DCA-MEM MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3
*US DCA-OAJ APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*US DCA-OMA APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*US DCA-PNS APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
US DCA-SAV APR 0.3>1.3 MAY 0.3>1.3 JUN 0.3>1.3 JUL 0.3>1.3 AUG 0.3>1.3 SEP 0.3>1.3
*US DCA-TLH APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*US DCA-VPS APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*US DCA-YOW MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3
US PHL-ALB APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
US PHL-BGR APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5
US PHL-BNA APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5
US PHL-CLT APR 10>11 MAY 10>11 JUN 10>11 JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 SEP 10>11
US PHL-CVG APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
US PHL-IAH APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
US PHL-IND APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
*US PHL-SLC JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
US PHL-STL APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5
US PIT-STL APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.9>3 JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3

WS MCO-YHZ MAY 0>0.2

73 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9890 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAD-ALB FEB 0>1.5
CO IAD-BTV FEB 0>0.8
CO IAD-BUF FEB 0>1.0
CO IAD-CLE FEB 0>5 MAR 0>4
CO IAD-EWR FEB 6>7 MAR 5>6
CO IAD-ORF FEB 0>1.1
CO IAD-PIT FEB 0>1.4
CO IAD-PVD FEB 0>0.9
CO IAD-SYR FEB 0>1.3

Is this 9L or XE (or both)?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PIT-STL

Interesting to see an increase in this route with no other changes in the AX at risk flying. Have PIT-BDL/RDU changed in the past couple of weeks?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7723 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9734 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAD-ALB FEB 0>1.5
CO IAD-BTV FEB 0>0.8
CO IAD-BUF FEB 0>1.0
CO IAD-CLE FEB 0>5 MAR 0>4
CO IAD-EWR FEB 6>7 MAR 5>6
CO IAD-ORF FEB 0>1.1
CO IAD-PIT FEB 0>1.4
CO IAD-PVD FEB 0>0.9
CO IAD-SYR FEB 0>1.3

Is this 9L or XE (or both)?

Type is Q400, so that would be 9L, right?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):

Interesting to see an increase in this route with no other changes in the AX at risk flying. Have PIT-BDL/RDU changed in the past couple of weeks?

You'd have to look back in past threads. I don't remember.  


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9683 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
Type is Q400, so that would be 9L, right?

Yes. It's interesting not to see a corresponding cut at EWR. Is there that much slack in the DH4 fleet?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9637 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL GLH-PIB APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2

This is odd, are they somehow combining the two cities for ATL service? MEM wouldn't make sense with this.



What does AA/US merger mean for CLT/JFK/PHX/North America/Southern Hemisphere/God's Plan for the Universe
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12286 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9571 times:
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Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 4):
This is odd, are they somehow combining the two cities for ATL service? MEM wouldn't make sense with this.

Appears they are combining several cities. APN-PLN out of DTW. GLH-PIB, MSL-TUP down south (either MEM or ATL)



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User currently offlinejetMARC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9503 times:

What airline code is OK? Surely not Czech, unless theyre re-adding JFK with tags to ORD and DCA!


"Sucka, I'm gonna send you out on Knuckle Airlines. Fist Class!!" ~ Mr. T
User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3633 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9477 times:

"What airline code is OK? Surely not Czech, unless theyre re-adding JFK with tags to ORD and DCA!"




It is interesting right?


User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2374 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9441 times:

Quoting jetMARC (Reply 6):
What airline code is OK? Surely not Czech, unless theyre re-adding JFK with tags to ORD and DCA!

Misfiled (or whatever, I don't know how the process works) codeshares.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7723 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9416 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
Type is Q400, so that would be 9L, right?

Yes. It's interesting not to see a corresponding cut at EWR. Is there that much slack in the DH4 fleet?

There wasn't a cut, but there are several explanations.
1) The CO/UA schedules are horribly out of sync
2) They could be getting Q400s from Republic which is going down to a single Q400 in Feb/Mar I've heard and zero shortly after that. That isn't definite, though, but was something they were looking at.

According to the schedule, CO Q400 flying increased by 5% from JAN to FEB/MAR for what that is worth. So as of now it is a net increase.

Quoting jetMARC (Reply 6):

What airline code is OK? Surely not Czech, unless theyre re-adding JFK with tags to ORD and DCA!
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7):
"What airline code is OK? Surely not Czech, unless theyre re-adding JFK with tags to ORD and DCA!"

It is interesting right?

It is Czech coded, but operated by a partner (DL?). It is just a code share that they filed as an operated flight. There is a field that filters those called "Duplicate" in the OAG SSIM submission and they filed it as blank rather than "Y". If I had noticed it I would have deleted it. There was also a CX flight from DFW to IAH that I noticed and removed. Those kinds of mistakes are fairly routine, but usually get fixed.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6830 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9386 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, it appears to be a temporary suspension. Where does the slot go?
**DL BOS-CDG MAR 0.2>0 APR 1.0>0

CDG isn't slot-restricted to my knowledge.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA OTH-PDX APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

IIRC, virtually all (if not all) of the non-hub E120 flying OO does as United Express is at-risk; also, as the E120 fleet at OO continues to shrink, these non-hub flights will be dropped as well. At the end of 2014, OO expects to only have 9 E120's remaining (presumably the owned aircraft).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US DCA

So much new service in competitive markets... NOT. DCA-BHM is $350 each way for the lowest available fare three months in advance and you don't get a free checked bag or even a kiss before they $%!# you.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7723 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9341 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, it appears to be a temporary suspension. Where does the slot go?
**DL BOS-CDG MAR 0.2>0 APR 1.0>0

CDG isn't slot-restricted to my knowledge.

Oh, my mistake. My mind was thinking they had suspended LHR-BOS. LOL

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
So much new service in competitive markets... NOT. DCA-BHM is $350 each way for the lowest available fare three months in advance and you don't get a free checked bag or even a kiss before they $%!# you.

Yes, they traded a hub in LGA for service to Ft. Walton Beach? That sounds like a great deal.  


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9340 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

DL APN-PLN APR 0>1.7
DL DTW-PLN APR 1.9>0

This is rather strange, but of course related to the DL EAS situation.

DL intends to drop DTW-APN, but there have been no bidders for APN
DL intends to continue to serve DTW-PLN with a subsidy, that was previously unsubsized.

PLN does extremely well during the summer with all of the tourists, visitors, second/third home owners, Floridians who spend the summer in the north. They increase to 4-5 CRJs/day during peak summer. NW operated ARJs in there for a few summer. In the winter, traffic drops off a cliff. The region is still very popular for winter sports, but it doesn't have the national draw like it does during the summer. This service change appears to be April-only, so perhaps nonstop service will resume in May for the summer.

I wonder if this is a triangular routing or a tag-on. It looks like it could be DTW-APN-PLN-DTW. PLN is the larger market of the two. Up until a few years ago, APN used to share Saab service with CIU, with the routing being DTW-APN-CIU-APN-DTW.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9283 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Yes, they traded a hub in LGA for service to Ft. Walton Beach? That sounds like a great deal.

True, but by all accounts the US hub in LGA was persistently losing money. Not sure how US will do in Ft. Walton, but I guess they figured it was better than losing money at LGA. I also think US is somewhat hoarding slots with the eventual hope of getting the perimeter rule weakened and then transitioning slots from the small markets to the beyond perimeter. That's a long-term US goal.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
DCA-BHM is $350 each way for the lowest available fare three months in advance and you don't get a free checked bag or even a kiss before they $%!# you.

Yeah, I noticed all the fares they loaded for the new DCA markets are very high. I imagine they'll get adjusted downward or these flights will be empty. DCA can get a premium, but not that big of a premium!!


User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9073 times:

Wonder when AM will restart ATL for the nth time? It was announced last year that ATL-MEX and ATL-MTY would be added in 1Q2012. Wonder if it was just another shot in the dark?


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 8982 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL BOS-CDG MAR 0.2>0 APR 1.0>0

That's not a suspension but a delayed start (now pushed to 01MAY).


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7723 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8934 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
I wonder if this is a triangular routing or a tag-on.

It appears to be a "tag" and not a "round-robin".

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
True, but by all accounts the US hub in LGA was persistently losing money. Not sure how US will do in Ft. Walton, but I guess they figured it was better than losing money at LGA.

Frankly I think they lost a lot more by B6 coming into DCA with these slots than they gained with VPS and such. They should have just surrendered LGA.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
Yeah, I noticed all the fares they loaded for the new DCA markets are very high. I imagine they'll get adjusted downward or these flights will be empty

Yeah for competition, huh?

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 15):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL BOS-CDG MAR 0.2>0 APR 1.0>0

That's not a suspension but a delayed start (now pushed to 01MAY).
Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Oh, my mistake. My mind was thinking they had suspended LHR-BOS. LOL

Yeah, my eyes saw CDG, but thought LHR.


User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 442 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8771 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-OAK MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4


Just the one flight is more cuts huh?? LAX has had no cuts recently unless your counting the DEN flights that never even started....


User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3145 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8717 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Appears they are combining several cities. APN-PLN out of DTW
Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
This is rather strange, but of course related to the DL EAS situation.

DL intends to drop DTW-APN, but there have been no bidders for APN

Courtesy: The Alpena News

Airport Faces Another Challenge

"The air service is going to get changed and Delta will begin tagging and it looks as if we'll be hooked up with Pellston," McRoberts said. "They have made a request to the DOT for a schedule change. It is set to begin on March 25 and run to May 1, then operations will continue as it is now until Nov. 4 and then tagging will start again.The bottom line is we aren't going to be getting the same service we are now."

http://thealpenanews.com/page/conten...es-another-challenge.html?nav=5004


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7723 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 17):
Just the one flight is more cuts huh?? LAX has had no cuts recently unless your counting the DEN flights that never even started....

I don't see how you wouldn't count that. LOL. It's actually more of an indicator of poor performance when it is cut before it even starts.

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 18):
The bottom line is we aren't going to be getting the same service we are now.

The community should look at ways to boost tourism off-season.


User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO GUM-SPN SEP 0>6

What's the story behind that one? Six new daily flights from Guam to Saipan?


User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 442 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
don't see how you wouldn't count that. LOL. It's actually more of an indicator of poor performance when it is cut before it even starts


Id rather them cut it then try it and lose money!! LAX ramp is currently hiring so I'm pretty sure our station is gonna be steady for the future whether you like it or not...


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
The community should look at ways to boost tourism off-season.

Tourism isn't going to solve APN's problems. APN is on the wrong side of the state. The Lake Michigan shoreline is Michigan's gold coast. The tourism-generated travel mostly goes to that side of the state.

APN is a hold-over from days gone by and DL can't really drop it now because of EAS until they get permission to drop it. They are essentially trying to reduce cost.

PLN is a much more viable market than APN. However northern Michigan is seasonal. The hunting, skiing, snowmobiling crowd that comes up north in the winter doesn't fly up, they're driving up from the southern part of the state, Ohio, and Indiana.

I'm trying to figure out is the tag DTW-PLN-APN-PLN-DTW or is it DTW-APN-PLN-APN-DTW?


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-MEX JUL 0.1>0.3


WOW!

With 15% cuts so far and maybe even more to be, it's good to see some increase in DEN international service by UA, even though it's at most merely a couple of flights a week. I guess that there's enough with O&D alone on this route here, and it is in the off-season of AM's n/s service here, so UA has this to itself.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7723 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8357 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 21):
Id rather them cut it then try it and lose money!!

No doubt, but the question was what else had they cut. They need planes for LGA. LAX became a source. That is an interesting development. I was expecting CVG or MEM to lose more. That has not happened.

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 21):
whether you like it or not...

When did I say anything about whether I like it or not? As I've said many times, I give DL enormous credit for trying new things even if a lot fail. I don't like when they do anti-competitive retaliation stuff and I thought LAX-DEN was low yield for an RJ from the beginning, but if they tried it with a profit motive and not a retaliatory motive then good for them for taking a shot. They basically traded LAX-DEN or LGA-DEN. The latter has more potential, although both are overserved. DL just has more strength in NYC than they have in LAX and the market isn't as trashed. I don't expect they will do well in LGA-DEN either, but they may be thinking F9 won't be around forever and LGA makes more sense than LAX does in a post-F9 world.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
I'm trying to figure out is the tag DTW-PLN-APN-PLN-DTW or is it DTW-APN-PLN-APN-DTW?

PLN-DTW-PLN is ending, so the latter is correct, I think.


25 KaiGywer : In which case APN needs to stop whining as they still have the direct flight to DTW...PLN is the loser here....
26 ckfred : 1. Hasn't AA flow ORD-JAC during the summer in past years? Will AA be flying the route this summer? 2. Two or three years ago, AA flew ORD-ANC during
27 BoeingGuy : What is noteworthy about this? AA has been flying a 757 DFW-ANC seasonally as far as I can remember. It's been their only ANC route for quite awhile
28 Post contains images enilria : True, it's possible their whining resulted in the change, but they don't know it as quickly as we do. It wasn't loaded for sale until now and is only
29 Boeing773ER : Wow, AA really stepping it up with new routes.
30 enilria : We were just discussing that. None are "new" in that they were all seasonal last year as well. They just went on sale this week, however. Judging fro
31 n7371f : Not sure what this is except maybe the CO code being added to one of the existing UAEx nonstops?
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep, both flights are DTW-APN-PLN-APN-DTW. The afternoon flight is a turn, the evening flight RON's in PLN. I wonder how much of an impact this will
33 atcsundevil : Lol! I understand your being totally baffled, but Ft. Walton is a MAJOR military area with Eglin AFB (which is, by the way, VPS...one in the same), H
34 slcdeltarumd11 : Delta is gonna be flying 2x daily 737-800 on LGA-DEN! I really hope this doesn't come at the expense of JFK. Delta is going to become a major player i
35 enilria : They type is a CRJ and UA* shows no corresponding decrease. No idea. Probably bad. You wonder how it ended up like that. There are plenty of Air Forc
36 FlyPNS1 : True, though Eglin AFB is vastly larger than these other bases...and growing. Based on 2nd quarter data, VPS has 136 daily passengers (68 passengers
37 atrude777 : I'm sorry...based on what? Number of Flights? You're saying market so I assume you're referring to EWR/JFK/LGA combined. WN flies 2 Daily DEN-LGA (so
38 slcdeltarumd11 : Just because you have something valuable or limited doesn't mean that you were making money off of it. I thought its well known or at least well rumo
39 enilria : At best it will be a breakeven route. I think we all know that. Gov't negotiated fares are not even particularly high yield and the rest of the marke
40 atrude777 : I understand that, I still don't think they will be a major player in terms of flights when you have other airlines providing more non stop service.
41 FlyPNS1 : It's been proposed by US, but never actually flown. US tried to get it as part of the Air21 slots, but they never won. As I stated above, I think the
42 atcsundevil : I am aware of this, although plenty of bases don't have the AFSOC headquarters. Eglin/Hurlburt are unique because of their sheer size as well as thei
43 HPRamper : To be fair, US wasn't exactly running high-volume routes to major markets from LGA either. Lots of prop action to marginal Northeast markets.
44 FlyPNS1 : It was certainly dumbfounding to me the first time I flew IAD-PNS. It was very weird to be in PNS so quickly and not having to go through ATL or CLT.
45 Post contains images enilria : So you really believe that additional capacity in a market has no incremental effect? LOL. Clearly, that is not the case. The more seats in a market
46 as739x : CO SFO-GEG FEB 0>1.0 CO SFO-ONT FEB 0>1.0 CO SFO-PSP FEB 0>1.0 CO SFO-RNO FEB 0>1.0 Am I missing something or is CO adding mainline flying
47 FlyPNS1 : B6 already has 7 daily flights in the market and yields are already in the toilet. Except that you ignore DL is leaving the market, so even if B6 add
48 enilria : See below Well, you make a good point about Delta leaving, BUT it is more or less disconnected. If DL dropped that and B6 did not add flights then th
49 FlyPNS1 : Yes and no. DCA is a lot of business traffic. To appeal to business travelers, you need frequency to any major market. With only 17 flights, they can
50 Post contains images enilria : True, but US has to match B6 pricing. Everywhere they infect with low pricing and non-stop service will cost US money. They can't simply continue cha
51 atrude777 : You're assuming that... 1. Air Tran would have bid 2. Air Tran would have won. Everyone, you and me included, were shocked WN didn't bid higher for t
52 apodino : I was thinking about the US slot deal last night and one thing we haven't talked about much is this. US is giving up 140 LGA slots and getting about 4
53 United_fan : I see that DL is now using the A319 ATL-ROC. I have never seen a DL Airbus here in ROC.Hoping the weather improves so I can get a picture of it.
54 usairways85 : This update shows PHL receiving 8 more flts a day (excluding SLC). And with the exception of CLT they all look to be CRJ/170/175/190 candidates. I am
55 FlyPNS1 : Only if B6 can offer enough frequency to be competitive. If B6 were to launch DCA-RDU 1x daily, US wouldn't have to match as B6's one flight couldn't
56 ck8msp : I thought with UA/CO SOC that effectively all the flights would be switched to UA. Obviously this is not the case. When will these flight changes be c
57 apodino : Although the airline has achieved SOC, the brands are still separate for now. Part of the reason is UA has not yet been able to combine the CO ops in
58 boilerla : Me too, especially after the VX disaster they call a "reservations system change". Five months later and people are still screaming bloody murder abo
59 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : As always you make good points and i see your side. B6 getting additional slots will lower some prices that is for sure but wouldn't all those additi
60 atrude777 : All Right...let's get the facts straight... No I didn't...I explained it here... So no...I did not CLEARLY leave B6 out by accident, it was with inten
61 jetmatt777 : Markets go both ways.....so he is correct nearly 1,000 seats in the market. 960 is close enough to 1,000 for me.
62 atrude777 : No he is not...he is giving me 3 flights here where I quoted it, not 6 flights (which is the market round trip), he is giving me one way data. Alex
63 Fyano773 : No, AM will restart ATL in the 2nd or 3rd quarter, according to this excerpt from Flightglobal: Aeromexico plans to relaunch services to Atlanta and
64 slcdeltarumd11 : Delta is going to have almost 1,00 seats in the market Thanks jetmatt! Yeah delta is going to have almost 1,000 seats in the market. Markets are both
65 atrude777 : Then you need to clarify you were referring to ROUND TRIP which means SIX Flights, you said and I quote.. So I took YOUR Number of 3 flights, and did
66 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : sorry i tried to bite my lip and stop but you are clearly are young and will learn. Nothing i said was wrong or needs to be corrected. 3x 737-800s wi
67 ACJFLYER : Since we are getting technical here and it is causing issues I am going to clarify some things: First of all- a flight is one takeoff and one landing.
68 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : ARE YOU KIDDING ME. All i said was not much and he was the one who clearly entered an attack on me and everything i said. Look if i said something wr
69 N1120A : Were there cuts at IAH?
70 Post contains images enilria : I assume the Mesaba SF340 operations will just die. I think that was pretty clearly filler to use slots. I expect US operations shrink overall as a r
71 PSU.DTW.SCE : The US (and Delta) Mesaba Saab 340 operation ended at the end of 2011.
72 ScottB : My guess is that a fair amount of that US flying at LGA is just going away. Close to 80 of the daily departures from LGA being dropped by US are on P
73 enilria : Didn't even know that. Well, I assume whatever props they threw in there when that died are easily shed. That's even worse, but I don't argue it. The
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