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Emirates A380 In FCO  
User currently offlinefco110 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

I was in FCO and on the in bound and out bound I saw an Emirates A380 at the airport. It appears to be a quick turnaround. Can FCO support a 380 from anywhere? Or is this simply a stop en route to another location?

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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

Quoting fco110 (Thread starter):
Can FCO support a 380 from anywhere?

Emirates flies DXB-FCO-DXB so there must be enough support at both ends (and onward from DXB) to support an A380 on the route. If they couldn't you'd see a 777 or A340 on the route and not an A380.


User currently offlineblink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

The aircraft's scheduled routing is DXB-FCO-DXB. EK97 on the inbound, EK98 outbound. How EK makes such a route work, particularly as there already is another EK flight with a 77W, is beyond my knowledge. Been operating for probably a year or so, maybe less?

That should answer the first part of your question, but I'm sure the Italian and UAE a.nutters can fill in more gaps as to the economics and history of this route.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

Someone I work with flew through FCO on another carrier then got on the Emirates A380 to Dubai, but he said it was half empty.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
Someone I work with flew through FCO on another carrier then got on the Emirates A380 to Dubai, but he said it was half empty.

I'm thinking that perhaps there is enough cargo demand out of FCO to DXB that they need the cargo capacity of an A380 to keep up with the demand as two 777s couldn't carry it all. While the passenger cabin may not be showing high loads, cargo goes at a rate that can more than cover the empty seats. There's no telling how many routes that airlines fly that if it wasn't for the cargo revenues, they would have long since dropped the route.


User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
While the passenger cabin may not be showing high loads, cargo goes at a rate that can more than cover the empty seats.

While there is quite some cargo on offer ex Italy it is generally viewed as a somewhat lower yielding cargo market. The fact they can take cargo directly from FCO rather then truck it to another station in Europe will save them some money but i'd doubt it will be enough to support a half empty flight year round, if that really were the case.

Frankly you'd need the insight from a regular traveller on the route or EK employee to get any real sense of passenger loads year round.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
If they couldn't you'd see a 777 or A340 on the route and not an A380.

Agreed, they have been quite careful in growing markets & have been upgrading once they felt traffic could sustain bigger aircraft. Meanwhile MH will be dropping FCO & EK has swapped one of it's B77W on KUL-DXB for the A380. More passengers to EK ?



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
I'm thinking that perhaps there is enough cargo demand out of FCO to DXB that they need the cargo capacity of an A380 to keep up with the demand as two 777s couldn't carry it all.

2 x 777 can carry more cargo than 1 x 777 and 1 x 380. Must be pax demand.



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User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 2):
The aircraft's scheduled routing is DXB-FCO-DXB. EK97 on the inbound, EK98 outbound. How EK makes such a route work, particularly as there already is another EK flight with a 77W, is beyond my knowledge. Been operating for probably a year or so, maybe less?

Don't forget we're not just talking traffic to DXB. EK rely heavily on connecting traffic, and have an excellent route network across Asia and Africa, much of the traffic will connect to other flights heading to Africa, the Middle East and the Indian Sub Continent.


User currently onlineCassi From Hungary, joined Apr 2010, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 2):
Been operating for probably a year or so, maybe less?

You mean the A380? Only since 1st December 2011, so for barely more than a month.

http://www.emirates.com/it/english/f...0_double_decker_to_serve_rome.aspx

This is the advantage of having a super-hub like DXB. It is much easier to keep high load factors on feeder flights (with an A380). EK is not only the biggest operator of the whale, but probably the most efficient one as well.


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Is this how all those Ferraris get to the middle east?

User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
I'm thinking that perhaps there is enough cargo demand out of FCO to DXB that they need the cargo capacity of an A380 to keep up with the demand as two 777s couldn't carry it all.
Quoting gkirk (Reply 6):
2 x 777 can carry more cargo than 1 x 777 and 1 x 380.

As gkirk says, the B77W actually has a lot more cargo capacity than the A380 does. That's definitely not it.



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 10):
As gkirk says, the B77W actually has a lot more cargo capacity than the A380 does. That's definitely not it.

In fact, I've got a feeling that even the A332 carries more cargo than the A380? A380s are usually full of bags, so very little room for cargo



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