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Did DL Buy Additional MD-90s To Replace Only DC-9s  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3489 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4386 times:

I know DL originally order their MD-90s, as a replacement for their 727s, but I wonder, was DL recent MD-90s order, made to replace only their aging DC-9s fleet, or are the MD-90s also suppose to replace their MD-88 fleet? I wish DL never canceled their MD-90s order, because I liked them better as a 727 replacement, than their 738s. I would like to see DL operate MD-90s and MD-88s side by side, so I hope the MD-90s are just to replace the DC-9s.


PS: Yes, a MD-90 is much slower than a 727, but it look much better than a 738. I believe a good looking plane should be replaced by a good looking plane.

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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4301 times:

The MD-90s is filling lost capacity systemwide from the DC-9 retirements but they are not necessarily replacing them. DC-9s were not doing the routes that the 90s are doing. The MD-90s are pretty much "filling in" capacity as other a/c are shuffled around.

A more "direct" replacement that you are seeing for the 9s are large RJs and CRJs in some markets but again, they are not one-for-one replacements. As to the second part, no, they are not replacing 88s. The fleet has remained pretty much unchanged since the merger with some frames being retired/retured to lessors since bankruptcy. There were 128 pre-bk and now we're sitting at 117. Expect those to stay in the fleet till about 2018, is the number that's been thrown around. My best guess is that they will begin to exit around 2016 or so.

Just a couple of things to consider as an FYI:

-DL had been selling 738s to 3rd parties upon delivery since around 2005 or 2006 and that stopped when they recieved their two newest 738s in 2010 (ships 3772 and 3773). It was a business decision because at the time they were hurting for cash and were not in a position to offer any meanigful domestic expansion.
-The MD-90s (in DL conviguration) has the exact seating capacity as the 738 so essentially, they are getting the 737 capacity for rock bottom prices. I'm not going to pretend to know what they're paying for each fram but it's a fraction of what a factory 737 would cost. It's also nice because they are paying cash and do not have to worry about a very pricy twice-yearly mortagage payment on a new a/c. Sure, they can't fly JFK-SEA but the majority of the 738 mission can be covered by the MD-90 and that's on flights under 1600 miles.

[Edited 2012-01-05 18:07:18]


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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
PS: Yes, a MD-90 is much slower than a 727, but it look much better than a 738. I believe a good looking plane should be replaced by a good looking plane




In your opinion,how much of a factor should airlines place on one aircraft being better looking than another aircraft, when making aircraft purchases? As a follow-up question, do you think a large number of passengers base their choice of airline on whose aircraft is better looking or not?


User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I wish DL never canceled their MD-90s order,

Was it DL's decision to cancel the order or was it done because Boeing didn't want to build them, anymore, once they acquired McDonnell-Douglas?



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User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
Was it DL's decision to cancel the order or was it done because Boeing didn't want to build them, anymore, once they acquired McDonnell-Douglas?

DL decided to cancel the order, although no doubt Boeing pushed them heavily towards that decision. For a long time DL was actually planning on phasing out its MD-90 fleet (for fleet simplification purposes), but eventually decided to grow the fleet instead.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
Quoting polot (Reply 4):

That was my thought as well. They were suppose to get close to 100 frames but the fleet experienced huge teething problems in the first couple years and they decided to go with the 738.



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User currently offlinesuisjes From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

I know they have been buying MD-90's from foreign operators but, these planes are real low time. Most were built after boeing took over McDonnel. Most all them are coming from China.

User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting polot (Reply 4):

DL decided to cancel the order, although no doubt Boeing pushed them heavily towards that decision

DL cancelled the order in the spring of 1997 when Boeing persuaded DL to sign the 20 year gentlemen's agreement. Boeing needed DL to cancel this order in order to get the "merger" approved.

At the time of cancellation, DL's order included 31 firm plus 116 options. Deliveries were scheduled through 2001. It is possible MDC survives if this order is not cancelled.

Quoting suisjes (Reply 6):
I know they have been buying MD-90's from foreign operators but, these planes are real low time. Most were built after boeing took over McDonnel. Most all them are coming from China.

The irony behind the recent second hand acquisitions is these aircraft are line numbers that were originally destined for DL, before the order was cancelled.



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