VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2973 posts, RR: 13 Posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2995 times:
Late last year Boeing won huge orders from Lion and Southwest. First was Lion if I'm not mistaken, the the "record breaker" from Southwest. But it seems like Lion could be way more significant if I read Boeings news releases. Can some one break down the differences and significance of both? Please?
Also, while also hitting the 7000 mark, there were many other orders like AA and many left to go to UA. What is the grand total of 737's of all types Boeing is due to deliver?
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joffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 816 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2974 times:
Well look at it this way. SWA have an ageing? fleet of 737-300 and -500 which need to get replaced, and Lion sorta came from no where, yet we dont know how they can sustain 200+ aircraft over the next 10+ years.
Interesting times for sure. Is the bubble going to burst?
Chiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2506 times:
Quoting joffie (Reply 1): The most interesting one is the one that actually buys all the planes ordered and pays for them in cash. My money is on WN by that criteria.
And not to forget that Lion Air does not have an order for the MAX. It still only has the status as a commitment, at least officially.
Only WN has a firm order for the MAX. So that makes it quite obvious who's most impressive.
XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 2): The most interesting one is the one that actually buys all the planes ordered and pays for them in cash. My money is on WN by that criteria.
Actualy, WN doesn't do 100% of its buying cash. This recent order of 738max includes leasing from what I've read
This allows them to contract the fleet some cheaper than selling extra frames. Also likely as important as WN is to Boeing, they likely couldn't secure enough slots on thier own, and have to use some that Boeing reserved for longtime leasing customers.
B777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
The SWA order is the more significant one by far. By once again getting in on the program early, they'll probably - and sadly - make sure the MAX is dumbed down the level of a NG (which, in turn, SWA had dumbed down to nearly a Classic). Clever work by SWA, having once again defined the next generation 737 to fit their very particular preferences, probably less good for everybody else thinking of buying one.
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PlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2093 times:
Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 6): Actualy, WN doesn't do 100% of its buying cash. This recent order of 738max includes leasing from what I've read
The leasing company then pays Boeing the cash and takes title while leasing the aircraft to WN. Whether Boeing collects from the sale to the airline directly (even if borrowed) or from the leasing company meets my criteria. My broader point is that there are a lot of commitments and orders out there, I wonder how solid all of them actually are so I tend to value the ones that are most likely to be completed the highest.