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When Did AA Start Services To Hawaii?  
User currently offlinepecoua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

What month and year did AA start serving Hawaii?

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User currently offlinecommavia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

Quoting pecoua (Thread starter):
What month and year did AA start serving Hawaii?

December 17, 1980.

Initial schedule was:

AA181 LAX 1200 HNL 1543 D10 (flight originated ORD)
AA007 LAX 1330 HNL 1713 D10 (flight originated DFW)
AA003 LAX 1600 HNL 1941 747 (flight originated JFK)

AA010 HNL 1345 LAX 2050 747 (flight continued to JFK)
AA008 HNL 1655 LAX 2359 D10 (flight continued to DFW)
AA166 HNL 2300 LAX 0604+ D10 (flight continued to ORD)

[Edited 2012-01-06 06:26:01]

User currently offlineFLFlyGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6288 times:
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AA had previously served HNL with 707 equipment from STL as part of its South Pacific service in the 1960s-1970s timeframe (sorry, don't have exact dates handy).

But I still remember the billboard campaign for HNL in the early 80's......the billboards just said



AAloha!


User currently offlinetimz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Mid to late 1969 would be a good guess.

User currently offlinemilesrich From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

AA opened up their routes to the South Pacific via HNL in on August 1, 1970, They were granted the routes on July 22, 1969, by then President Richard Nixon. The CAB had recommended American be given routes in the Trans Pacific route case of 1968 but that award was vetoed by President Lyndon Johnson. Then, Nixon, less than a month after taking office on January 20, 1969, cancelled the awards on February 15, 1969. U.S. Presidents had veto power over international route awards, unlike domestic ones. American flew to HNL from STL but was allowed to do so from STL, ORD, BOS and NYC and other inland points but not from west coast cities under that award. When American tried to build traffic by adding two more flights a week from the US to Australia, the Australian Government objected. In December, 1973, American swapped their authority from HNL to Australia, New Zealand and Fiji and the authority from NYC and ORD to HNL to Pan American in exchange for Pan Am's routes to Bermuda, Barbados, and Santa Domingo. They kept the routes from BOS and STL to HNL, and operated STL-HNL for a short period of time on a several times a week basis, not daily.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=american+airlines+australia&hl=en


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 4):
and operated STL-HNL for a short period of time on a several times a week basis, not daily.

AA suspended STL-HNL on Mar 1, 1977. At one point in 1976, AA flew STL-SFO-HNL, with no local passengers on SFO-HNL.


User currently offline28L28L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

The 9 June 1977 AA timetable shows AA151 JFK-STL-(SFO)-HNL and AA152 HNL-(SFO)-STL-JFK operating on Saturdays only.

User currently offlineCitationJet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5841 times:

April 29, 1973 AA route map shows HNL non-stop to STL, NY, and ORD.
http://www.departedflights.com/AA042973.html

December 1, 1974 shows HNL to STL non-stop.
http://www.departedflights.com/AA120174.html

January 20, 1979 shows no Hawaii service.
http://www.departedflights.com/AA012079.html


User currently offlineghifty From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4880 times:
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Quoting FLFlyGuy (Reply 2):

AA had previously served HNL with 707 equipment from STL as part of its South Pacific service in the 1960s-1970s timeframe (sorry, don't have exact dates handy).

But I still remember the billboard campaign for HNL in the early 80's......the billboards just said



AAloha!

You don't have to remember anymore, just reminisce! I do have to say I like the ad itself, though the false advertising is upsetting (if it's true the route was serviced with a 707).



User currently offlineCitationJet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 8):
though the false advertising is upsetting (if it's true the route was serviced with a 707).

I don't think there is any false advertising. The December 17, 1980 service that I assume your ad is referring to, was starting using 747s, as documented in Reply #1 above. The 707 service was many years before that in the 1970s.


User currently offlinejfk777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4052 times:
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The advertisement could be for DFW to HNL flights nonstop.

User currently offlinecommavia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
The advertisement could be for DFW to HNL flights nonstop.

It isn't. It's for the post-deregulation resumption of AA service to Honolulu which, as stated, began on 17 December 1980 with 3x daily flights from LAX to HNL, one of which was, indeed, on a 747.


User currently offlineghifty From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3812 times:
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Quoting CitationJet (Reply 9):
I don't think there is any false advertising. The December 17, 1980 service that I assume your ad is referring to, was starting using 747s, as documented in Reply #1 above. The 707 service was many years before that in the 1970s.

I suppose so. The 1980's is way before "my time." When were 707's retired out of US revenue service? 80's?


User currently offlinetan flyr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3665 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 12):
When were 707's retired out of US revenue service? 80's?

As best I recall, for AA, it was Sept. 1981..probably around the 29th or so sticks in my mind but it also could have been a schedule change right after Labor Day weekend. I believe it was an EWR to ORD segment.

I recall the timetables had "saluting the retiring 707" on the cover.


User currently onlineViscount724 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting tan flyr (Reply 13):
Quoting ghifty (Reply 12):
When were 707's retired out of US revenue service? 80's?

As best I recall, for AA, it was Sept. 1981..probably around the 29th or so sticks in my mind but it also could have been a schedule change right after Labor Day weekend. I believe it was an EWR to ORD segment.

Following from AA's history timeline for the 1980s in their website:

With fuel costs soaring, American accelerated the retirement of the Boeing 707 fleet in 1980. By August 1981, American had retired all its Boeing 707 aircraft, including their freighters.


User currently offlinejfk777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3419 times:
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when did DFW to HNL nonstop start ?

User currently offlinetimz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

If you mean any airline, then 1974. If you mean AA, maybe 1982?

DAL-HNL started 1969.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
when did DFW to HNL nonstop start ?

June, 1981, as part of AA's huge buildup of DFW that summer (AA also added DFW-PDX /AMA /LBB /MAF /SHV /BTR /JAN /BHM /MCO in Jun 81).

AA was awarded DAL-HNL authority in 1969, as part of the infamous South Pacific route case, but never flew the route due to restrictions placed on AA's authority that made the route uneconomic. AA's Dallas-HNL authority went to PA as part of the PA / AA route swap, and PA briefly flew JFK-DFW-HNL after the swap took effect.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
It isn't. It's for the post-deregulation resumption of AA service to Honolulu which, as stated, began on 17 December 1980 with 3x daily flights from LAX to HNL

So are you saying that that is when LAX-HNL service first began? If not, when?


User currently offlineRWA380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
AA003 LAX 1600 HNL 1941 747 (flight originated JFK)

AA010 HNL 1345 LAX 2050 747 (flight continued to JFK)

So does this mean AA overnighted a 747 for about 18 hours in HNL? How would theat be very good utilization of a rather large aircraft considering how few they had when this service started?


User currently offlinecommavia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 18):
So are you saying that that is when LAX-HNL service first began? If not, when?

For AA, yes, I believe so. As discussed, AA had previously served Hawaii, but I don't believe ever from LAX before, and when AA began flying to Hawaii on 17 December 1980, it was all from LAX - and that began the present continuous, uninterrupted AA service to Hawaii that has continued ever since.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 19):
So does this mean AA overnighted a 747 for about 18 hours in HNL? How would theat be very good utilization of a rather large aircraft considering how few they had when this service started?

Back then, utilization was atrocious in many cases. It was the very beginning of the concept of hubs and schedule banks, at airlines - well, AA, at least - would often schedule airplanes horrendously inefficiently in order for them to perfectly align with schedule banks. I believe that is roughly what happened in the case of the initial LAX-HNL schedule - although LAX certainly wasn't a "hub" back then, AA did time the LAX-HNL-LAX flights for connections (again, from DFW/ORD/JFK in particular).


User currently offlineRWA380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 20):
Back then, utilization was atrocious in many cases. It was the very beginning of the concept of hubs and schedule banks, at airlines - well, AA, at least - would often schedule airplanes horrendously inefficiently in order for them to perfectly align with schedule banks. I believe that is roughly what happened in the case of the initial LAX-HNL schedule - although LAX certainly wasn't a "hub" back then, AA did time the LAX-HNL-LAX flights for connections (again, from DFW/ORD/JFK in particular).
Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
AA181 LAX 1200 HNL 1543 D10 (flight originated ORD)
AA007 LAX 1330 HNL 1713 D10 (flight originated DFW)
AA003 LAX 1600 HNL 1941 747 (flight originated JFK)

AA010 HNL 1345 LAX 2050 747 (flight continued to JFK)
AA008 HNL 1655 LAX 2359 D10 (flight continued to DFW)
AA166 HNL 2300 LAX 0604+ D10 (flight continued to ORD)

I agree the excessive 70's and early 80's had carriers using aircraft with far less efficiency than the carrier of today. Although based upon the schedule you posted with the original flight times, I found it odd that it appears the DC-10's had efficient turn arounds with 1-1 1/2 hours between flights, then this 747 sits for over 18 hours, who decded that and why?  


User currently offlinedoulasc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

I remember around 1969 American had servvice to Hawaii and down to New Zealand and Australia with Boeing 707-323Bs until 1973 when they did a swap with Pan Am,that American would serve the carribean from New York and Pan Am do the Pacific routes.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2716 times:

Another ad I found. I think this island was really Tahiti.



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