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Curacao Downgraded To Category 2  
User currently offlineavionpg From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 85 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

Curacao has been downgraded to category 2 by faa safety audit.

www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/iasa/media/iasaws.xls

story below from dutch newspaper but talks about airport being downgraded

http://www.telegraaf.nl/reiskrant/11..._Luchthaven_Curaao_onveilig__.html

Since curacao has been downgraded by the faa the question would be what effect does it have on the former islands from the Netherlands Antilles.

The setup of the new Civil Aviation Authority from Curacao is also the Civil Aviation Authority for Sint Maarten. The other islands Bonaire, Saba and Statia depend on air service from the other two islands and are to follow directions of the Dutch Civil Aviation Auhtority.

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User currently offlineairkas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

The article mentions the following consequences:
- Curacao-based airlines may not start new routes to the US (it doesn't say what this means for all currently exsiting routes).
- Charter flights by Curacao-based airlines to the US are not allowed.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4576 times:
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I think Dutch Antilles Airlines (DAE) will not be able to start service to MIA or FLL as originally planned. I think Insel Air is still allowed to fly (although I think they're based out of Aruba).

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4677 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Quoting avionpg (Thread starter):

story below from dutch newspaper but talks about airport being downgraded

http://www.telegraaf.nl/reiskrant/11....html

To be fair, I'd take everything that the 'Telegraaf' reports with a grain of salt, they are not really a quality paper.



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User currently offlinebe77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
I think Insel Air is still allowed to fly (although I think they're based out of Aruba).

Interesting development, quite possibly to Insel's benefit right now. They are from Curacao, so expansion of routes to the US is out for now if all this is true (would be considered bad of course).
But, they have been dissing DAE at every possible opportunuity, with lawsuits, injunctions, etc., against the government and so on. I have no idea if the case has any merit, but if the FAA won't let any new operations in to the US, then DAE is likely on hold anyway! (Likley not a bad thing for Insel!).



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User currently offlineavionpg From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

IF you check out the link to faa it shows all countries and there current IASA category standard.

DAE and insel and any airline with an AOC from Curacao and Sint Maarten are category 2.

airlines with AOC in cat 2 country not able to perform schedule or charter service to US or change type of aircraft and frequency on any route.

All codeshare between Inselair and USairways canceled due to CAT2 downgrade but where canceled in oct 2011 by USairways due to FAA recomendation
www.todaysxm.com/2011/10/14/us-airwa...-sharing-agreement-with-insel-air/

Means
Inselair (Curacao) can keep its current service and frequency with its current equipment.
-flying MD-80 equipment
-routes to the US
Curacao-miami
Curacao-charlote
Curacao-boanire-Miami
Miami-Port au Prince
Sint Maarten-San Juan

DAE (curacao)
no service to US before downgrade
not able to start new service to US unless ACMI with a CAT 1 carrier

DiviDivi Air (Curacao)
no service to US before downgrade
not able to start new service to US unless ACMI with a CAT 1 carrier

EZair (Curacao)
no service to US before downgrade
not able to start new service to US unless ACMI with a CAT 1 carrier

winair (Sint Maarten)
no service to US before downgrade
not able to start new service to US unless ACMI with a CAT 1 carrier
codeshare agreement between winair and other carriers now in jeopardy access to smaller caribbean island in area in jeopardy with ease of ticketing

Winward Island Express (Sint Maarten)
no service to US before downgrade
not able to start new service to US unless ACMI with a CAT 1 carrier


all above is looking only at effects on service to and from US

there is also now issue with service between the former islands of the Netherlands Antilles that are now part of the Netherlands the special administrative islands of Bonaire, Statia and Saba. as they are now under Dutch Civil Aviation Authority this could restrict service between the islands themselves.

Also all new service to other islands and countries are in jeopardy due to category 2 status


User currently offlineavionpg From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Inselair has been working on a plan B for a while now the carrier is in the final stages of setting up local operation in Aruba. inselair Aruba.
http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/airlines/inselair-aruba

i guess this project will now take the fast track so inselair can expand to other markets due to the downgrade of Curacao.

but there are more competition in aruba then curacao

every major us carrier to the US from Aruba

locally
Tiara Air operating
flyaruba in aoc stage
aruba airlines restarting operation soon has aoc


so in aruba there will be 4 airlines operating if all complete the process a heavily contested island market


User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4346 times:
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Quoting avionpg (Reply 5):
winair (Sint Maarten)
no service to US before downgrade
not able to start new service to US unless ACMI with a CAT 1 carrier
codeshare agreement between winair and other carriers now in jeopardy access to smaller caribbean island in area in jeopardy with ease of ticketing

The US codeshare on WM (Winair) was suspended yesterday, I guess this is why


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4677 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

Quoting avionpg (Reply 5):


there is also now issue with service between the former islands of the Netherlands Antilles that are now part of the Netherlands the special administrative islands of Bonaire, Statia and Saba. as they are now under Dutch Civil Aviation Authority this could restrict service between the islands themselves.

How is that? As far as I know the Dutch Aviation Authorities do not make it a habit to copy these category downgrades from the US



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User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 275 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

It is a shame really. Since the Netherlands Antilles split up on 10-10-2010 Curacao is slipping backwards, all because of the goverment that is in place there at the moment. But that is another story.

User currently offlineavionpg From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

leaked document stating that there was time to fix the deficiency.

to avoid the downgrade.

www.scribd.com/doc/77535298/FAA-Emai...an-Schotte-Van-Mei-en-Oktober-2011


User currently offlineflybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3311 times:

This is interesting... so The Philippines, Indonesia and Israel are all Category 2 countries in the attached *.xls document. If I'm not mistakened Philippine Airlines and El Al still fly to the United States. Is there some kind of exemption process that the dutch Antilles airlines can apply for?


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User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 11):
If I'm not mistakened Philippine Airlines and El Al still fly to the United States. Is there some kind of exemption process that the dutch Antilles airlines can apply for?

When a country is downgraded, airlines from that country that are already flying to the US can continue flying the routes they were before the downgrade. That is why Philippine Airlines and El Al still fly here. They cannot, however, add additional services on their own metal (or drop their current service and decide later to resume it); if they want to expand they need to wet lease an aircraft from a US carrier or an approved carrier from a category 1 country.


User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3227 times:

Wow, this is extremely disappointing, especially considering how the St. Maarten and Curacao governments fought for this break up just to end up going backwards. Is it just because Curacao was downgraded, St. Maarten was downgraded too? Winair is already in deep trouble, and this would have an even greater effect.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9771 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

I'm not sure but seeing that Dutch Antilles Express is planning on using the wet-leased MD80 from Falcon Air which is an American-registered aircraft/airline, they might still be able to fly to the U.S.(?)

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9771 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting avionpg (Reply 5):
Also all new service to other islands and countries are in jeopardy due to category 2 status

How is this so? Can you explain this further? Also, I see you explained it well with our local airlines still being able to fly to the U.S. with aircraft of airlines registered in CAT 1 countries so Dutch Antilles Express is still able to fly to the U.S. with the wet-leased MD80 from Falcon Air.

A388


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9595 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2618 times:

They can always get back to category 1 if the FAA feels the aviation authority complies with the recommendations from the FAA to return to meeting ICAO requirements. The reason is typically because of lack of oversight of the airlines safety within their jurisdiction. Mexico was downgraded to Category 2 for a brief period of time which caused quite a problem because it eliminated all the codesharing between US carriers and Mexican carriers. Mexico is now back to Category 1.


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User currently offlineNYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting polot (Reply 12):
That is why Philippine Airlines and El Al still fly here. They cannot, however, add additional services on their own metal (or drop their current service and decide later to resume it);

I don't get this part because LY is constantly adding services to/from JFK & EWR for holidays and different seasons.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting NYC2TLV (Reply 17):
Quoting polot (Reply 12):
That is why Philippine Airlines and El Al still fly here. They cannot, however, add additional services on their own metal (or drop their current service and decide later to resume it);

I don't get this part because LY is constantly adding services to/from JFK & EWR for holidays and different seasons.

Not beyond what they had in the schedule when Israel went to category II a few years ago.



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