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US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.  
User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1111 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

Looks like US is axing its seasonal PHL-ANC flt next summer. I was told by a good source it will not be returning. Bummer, I never got to work this flt. I am guessing low yeilds. Frankly, I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.

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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5792 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

It's just hard to imagine US being successful in this corridor. I understand connections, but they probably can just route those people over UA via one of their gateways and save themselves the expense of such a long flight?

-Dave



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

They can also route them through their PHX hub .

User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

It was worth a try. Although if I am correct a 752 etops was used on the route. With the European expansion (pretty much from CLT) maybe they felt the 752 could be better suited on a European route or much closer to home where it can be subbed for a another aircraft that goes mtc.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

Bummer. The East coast will be left without a nonstop flight to Anchorage, I believe. DL no longer operates ATL/CVG-ANC.
The route did fine load wise, but the yields weren't great I'm told. CO had the same problem on EWR-ANC.

It seems that US has bad luck on PHL-West Coast routes (ANC isn't technically on the West Coast). PHL-YVR only lasted a season, and I hear US does better on CLT-SMF/PDX than PHL-SMF/PDX.



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
It seems that US has bad luck on PHL-West Coast routes (ANC isn't technically on the West Coast). PHL-YVR only lasted a season, and I hear US does better on CLT-SMF/PDX than PHL-SMF/PDX.

Interesting, I think someone on one of the threads about new service said that PHL-PDX will go year round before CLT-PDX does

YVR isn't that widely served from the east coast. I can only think of AC from EWR and Cathay from JFK. CO, UA, and DL all don't serve YVR from their east coast hubs. DL may be seasonal, I'm not sure.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):

It's just hard to imagine US being successful in this corridor.

As I understand, they have been pretty successful on the PHX flights.



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Well, this flight did give us this nice story.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/201...stands-7-hours/UPI-96501322327518/


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
Bummer. The East coast will be left without a nonstop flight to Anchorage, I believe. DL no longer operates ATL/CVG-ANC.
The route did fine load wise, but the yields weren't great I'm told. CO had the same problem on EWR-ANC.

It's a very long flight relative to what people are willing to pay vs taking a connection through MSP or one of the western/ NW cities.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5792 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
As I understand, they have been pretty successful on the PHX flights.

Ya, that route seems to do well. PHL just seems a bridge too far.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
It's a very long flight relative to what people are willing to pay vs taking a connection through MSP or one of the western/ NW cities.

Yes, NW DL probably still owns the NE to Alaska corridor. MSP used to have at least 4 (!) 757s to ANC. Daily. And a couple to Fairbanks..


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5792 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):
Yes, NW DL probably still owns the NE to Alaska corridor. MSP used to have at least 4 (!) 757s to ANC. Daily. And a couple to Fairbanks..

For many years, NW was the primary carrier to Alaska. In the SEA-ANC corridor, it was them, Western, Alaska, and Wien, and Northwest would even throw a 747 on occasionally and of course countless DC10's. They owned many of the markets to Alaska.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

I know ANC is huge on cargo, but what about Pax wise how many airlines serve ANC all year round and from where ? To me it seems ANC and Alaska is a forgotten part of the US.

User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

I wouldn't call it forgotten at all. I was at ANC a few years ago and it was surprisingly busy. Yes it was during the summer, but still. UA and US are all year, and AS obviously.


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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

What about in the winter is ANC still busy ?

User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6133 times:

I also forgot DL to SLC. It's not "busy" like ATL, but who really wants to go to ANC in the winter?  


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8656 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 11):
For many years, NW was the primary carrier to Alaska. In the SEA-ANC corridor, it was them, Western, Alaska, and Wien, and Northwest would even throw a 747 on occasionally and of course countless DC10's. They owned many of the markets to Alaska.

Certainly that had something to do with ANC being a refueling "hub" for the Asian routes.


User currently offlineb757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):
It was worth a try. Although if I am correct a 752 etops was used on the route. With the European expansion (pretty much from CLT) maybe they felt the 752 could be better suited on a European route or much closer to home where it can be subbed for a another aircraft that goes mtc.

Thought the same thing!



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5403 times:

This can probably be chalked up to the aircraft being able to make more money elsewhere and the fact that anyone who really wants to get to Alaska can probably do so fairly easily via AS and their codeshare arrangements at this point...they've got a pretty decent presence on the east coast at this point (albeit, not in PHL) and SEA isn't at all a terribly inconvenient transit point, especially considering the fact that you have more options than just ANC...better for US to stick this bird somewhere with higher yields (i.e. Europe, as others have speculated)


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5148 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 5):
I think someone on one of the threads about new service said that PHL-PDX will go year round before CLT-PDX does

In the past, CLT-PDX has started earlier than PHL-PDX, and ended later than PHL-PDX. CLT-PDX has also operated with a A321, I don't know if PHL-PDX has. This year, they both op with a A320, and start and end together. (May 3-August 20).

IIRC, US ran PHL-PDX year round and then switched it to seasonal service.



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
It's a very long flight relative to what people are willing to pay vs taking a connection through MSP
Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):
Yes, NW DL probably still owns the NE to Alaska corridor.

Don't forget the summer seasonal DTW-ANC too.



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User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 5):
YVR isn't that widely served from the east coast. I can only think of AC from EWR and Cathay from JFK. CO, UA, and DL all don't serve YVR from their east coast hubs. DL may be seasonal, I'm not sure.


Only AC operate YVR to EWR and CX to JFK on a year-round basis. UA flies to EWR seasonally, which is an old CO route. DL does ATL-YVR also on a seasonal basis. CP used to operate to BOS from YVR and I believe IAD, though that one may have been AC.



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 20):
Don't forget the summer seasonal DTW-ANC too.

DL has not loaded DTW-ANC for this summer as of yet.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
In the past, CLT-PDX has started earlier than PHL-PDX, and ended later than PHL-PDX. CLT-PDX has also operated with a A321, I don't know if PHL-PDX has. This year, they both op with a A320, and start and end together. (May 3-August 20).

CLT-PDX will actually start on 18Apr this year (on a less than daily basis), which is the earliest seasonal start date for the route. Historically, CLT/PHL have either started on the same date or PHL has started earlier.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):


IIRC, US ran PHL-PDX year round and then switched it to seasonal service.

That is correct. PHL-PDX was announced as year-round back in 2006, but after the first winter, it was switched to a seasonal only route. The end dates have been tweaked somewhat, but it has generally started in May each year. In fact, it was actually operate twice daily during summer 2008.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 22):
DL has not loaded DTW-ANC for this summer as of yet.

Ah. I never bothered to look, assuming it'd be back.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 22):
CLT-PDX will actually start on 18Apr this year (on a less than daily basis), which is the earliest seasonal start date for the route. Historically, CLT/PHL have either started on the same date or PHL has started earlier.

That makes sense regarding the dates. I'm assuming the flights become daily on May 3rd then? And regarding the start/end dates, could I have SMF mixed up with PDX or I'm I just confused? 



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25 jfk777 : Operating Alaska from PHL makes no sense for US.
26 chepos : I never fully understood this route, I guess they wanted to experiment and see if the route worked out. They can just route people through PHX now, th
27 CTBob : In December of 2010 I flew MSP-ANC and ANC-SLC on 738's and they were both packed.
28 wn676 : The ran the 757s back in July/August 2007. The last couple of summers and during the peak travel season in December, they run 2 daily flights on A319
29 USAirALB : Didn't US use to fly LAS-ANC too?
30 chepos : LAS had flights to ANC back in the days of the hub /focus city. 1 daily flight if I rememer correctly. Regards, Chepos
31 PHLwok : I'd assumed this route started not only as a bit of an experiment, but also due to the availability of an extra ETOPS 757, either because they didn't
32 wn676 : I think it might be replacing the 767 on PHL-DUB.
33 beardown91737 : Why ETOPS on PHL-ANC? Most of it is over land, or is it due to the lack of airports on that land? I can't think of anywhere outside of SFO or OAK that
34 boberito6589 : I don't think they are saying it needs an ETOPS 757. I guess people are saying it to say that is the type of aircraft operating the flight, however a
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : What was the distance / flight times on PHL-ANC? Is this a longer segment than some of the PHL-Europe routes? Either way, this flight eats up a lot of
36 usairways85 : It was essentially the same as a TA flight. PHL-ANC 3379mi PHL-DUB 3272mi PHL-AMS 3736mi
37 brandonfsu05 : it does show phl-dub being served with a 757...as opposed to the attempt last year to serve clt-fra twice daily....one with an airbus 333 and one wit
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