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AF Flying A380 To DXB  
User currently offlineuaeflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1164 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Since when AF flying A380 to DXB. Do they really need all that capacity ? is it permanent or temporarily
EK flying more than 16 flights a week between CDG-DXB. It would be a nice competition if AF kept working on this route

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User currently offlineemirates202 From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

I saw it when I was at DXB last week. I thought it was a last minute aircraft switch! Turns out its been flying there for quite some time now.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

I can see both a need for capacity and an increase in utilization.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19260 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting uaeflyer (Thread starter):
Do they really need all that capacity ?

No, they do it to lose money and purely for the sake of it.  



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
No, they do it to lose money and purely for the sake of it

Why are AF sending their A380's on such short flights ?

I know i'll get bombarded with reasons but what a waste of... ''spec''...for a next generation aircraft.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

I saw an AF A380 on flightradar24 coming from DXB. However, it had a 4 number flight number, so I assumed it was not a regular flight.

However, other than that, I don't know much about their services.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 4):
Why are AF sending their A380's on such short flights ?

Capacity is a big "why" (no pun intended).



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Capacity is a big "why" (no pun intended).


But with only a handful currently in operation and condsidering their network.....



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 4):
Why are AF sending their A380's on such short flights ?

EK does the same. You use the aircraft on such routes because there is demand. Distance of the route is not an issue.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 7):
But with only a handful currently in operation and condsidering their network.....

I was thinking the same.
SIN has all along been mentioned as an AF A380 destination, but AF recently announced in increase from 7 to 10 weekly flights, with 77E flying the new additional flights.
Was actually expecting SIN to be an AF A380 destination in 2012.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 7):
But with only a handful currently in operation and condsidering their network.....

Aircraft will not always be utilized perfectly from a timing standpoint. This allows AF to profitably utilize the A380s in between LH runs.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 8):
EK does the same. You use the aircraft on such routes because there is demand. Distance of the route is not an issue.

EK and AF have totally different strategy as airlines.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 9):
I was thinking the same.
SIN has all along been mentioned as an AF A380 destination, but AF recently announced in increase from 7 to 10 weekly flights, with 77E flying the new additional flights.
Was actually expecting SIN to be an AF A380 destination in 2012.

I think that in the case of AF and DXB the use of the A380 is to help countenance the 'A380 effect' of EK on the route.

Fair enough.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19260 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 4):
Why are AF sending their A380's on such short flights ?

Obviously they have determined that it is a worthwhile deployment based upon appropriate analysis.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
Obviously they have determined that it is a worthwhile deployment based upon appropriate analysis.


That we can all agree about.  
But wait a minute, if we all are so damn logic, what shall we then debate on a.net?? 



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2355 times:
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Quoting mikey72 (Reply 4):
Why are AF sending their A380's on such short flights ?

Paris-Dubai is about 5,500 km and 6-7 hours in the air... I can think of a few shorter flights  

I would think flight times of 6 hours and more would qualify for long-haul and that the economics will still be quite good for large airliners.



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

also on here
Air France A380 To Dubai? (by santos Nov 3 2011 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2685 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

AF will remove the A380 from its DXB run for summer 2012. They need the frame, since they are resuming NRT, starting daily to LAX and increasing IAD to daily.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 14):
Paris-Dubai is about 5,500 km and 6-7 hours in the air... I can think of a few shorter flights

I would think flight times of 6 hours and more would qualify for long-haul and that the economics will still be quite good for large airliners.

I suppose Paris-Dubai just about scrapes in as long-haul.

It costs a small fortune to take 100 kilos out of an airplane in design and I remember the problems Airbus had with the A380 !

About 5.5 tonnes of problem to be precise or 55 passengers who weigh 200 pounds each !

But I admit i'm probably missing the point and being pedantic.



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