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YXD Canada's First Licensed Airport Is 85  
User currently offlinebe77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...onton-airfield-canada-airport.html

Article in the CBC is a bit short on detail (!), but, at least it is mentioned and anyone interested is at least told the museum has events happening.

Started as a farm field outside of town, town grew around it, etc.
Too bad it is no longer usuable for airline service, and last I heard the city wanted to close and condo the place...as a city stol port even (say allowing Q's and ATR's for example, and perhaps new gen quieter jets like C's and E's) it could make it more inviting for business in Edmonton.

In the early WS days it was one of the first places served, and I used to connect there from YYZ on AC when working in the north in the 80's - now there is not much point flying YYC to Edmonton since the drive from the Leduc airport to Edmonton (plus the security stuff) means it is easier, faster, and more reliable even in the snow to drive from Calgary to Edmonton. At least with YXD you were in Edmonton when the plane landed!

It is SUPER convenient when you need to be in Edmonton for a meeting or visit. FBO service there is great, even if a full fuel load is only 100 litres,


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User currently offlineajhYXE From Canada, joined May 2011, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Hats off to them! Hopefully they can survive through the pressure.

Does anyone know the fate of the museum if/when the airport closes? I think we've seen more than enough museums close in the last few years.  



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User currently offlinecyeg66 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Quoting ajhYXE (Reply 1):
Does anyone know the fate of the museum if/when the airport closes? I think we've seen more than enough museums close in the last few years.

It's to my understanding that it will remain open. It's protected as a heritage site or something like that.



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User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Thanks for posting! I don't know much about YXD and had no idea that it was the first licensed airport in Canada. I just wish the article would have included some pictures of video of the airport itself since I've never gotten to see it and its unlikely that I ever will due to the current plans for it.

Next time I am in Edmonton I will have to plan a visit to the museum mentioned by others above.



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User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 3):

Next time I am in Edmonton I will have to plan a visit to the museum mentioned by others above.

Highly recommended, they've got quite a good collection both inside and out (including a PW 732 that is open for tours occasionally)

Quoting ajhYXE (Reply 1):

Does anyone know the fate of the museum if/when the airport closes? I think we've seen more than enough museums close in the last few years.

I was speaking to someone at the museum about this last summer, and IIRC while the building itself may have been protected I believe the apron space that they use isn't (and the lack of a runway will make it more difficult to acquire certain aircraft).

He said that there was some thought of moving the collection to the Reynolds Museum in Wetaskiwin to form one of the largest aircraft collections in Canada. While it won't be nearly as convenient (Wetaskiwin is about half hour south of YEG), it would help the museum survive.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25359 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 3):
Thanks for posting! I don't know much about YXD and had no idea that it was the first licensed airport in Canada. I just wish the article would have included some pictures of video of the airport itself since I've never gotten to see it and its unlikely that I ever will due to the current plans for it.

My very first flight at age 8 or 9 was on an AC (then TCA) Viscount 724 (thus my A.net user ID) from YXD to YYC in the summer of 1955 or 1956. If it was 1955, TCA's first few Viscounts (they eventually took delivery of 51) were then the only turbine-powered airliners in service in North America. My next flight about a year later was on a TCA L-1049G Super Constellation from YXD to YVR. I remember both those flights quite clearly. In later years when I lived in YYC I remember quite a few YYC-YXD-YYC flights on Pacific Western's (and in the latter few years, Canadian Airlines) 737-200s. At one time that PWA shuttle service had close to 20 daily 732s in each direction. AC made a weak attempt to compete with much less frequent DC-9s between YYC and YXD sometime in the early 1980s but that only lasted a few months before they gave up. (I think the DC-9 had operating restrictions from YXD's rather short runways that didn't affect PWA's 732's).

I spent countless hours on the open-air observation deck of the old YXD terminal when I was growing up in Edmonton (I lived about a 15 minute bike ride away). Just before I moved to YVR in mid-1966 I watched the delivery ceremony of Wardair's first jet, their sole 727-100 (the first Boeing jet sold in Canada) from that observation deck. I remember it landed on recently closed runway 34 on its flight from BFI and you could see the smoky exhaust trails when it was several miles out. Aircraft landing or taking off on runway 16-34 went past my bedroom window about 2 miles south and I quickly learned to identify virutally all aircraft types that regularly used YXD then by engine sound (easier with pistons than jets)..

During WWII (a little before my time) one of my uncles was in charge of air traffic control at YXD (handled by the RCAF during the war). Thousands of U.S. military aircraft being supplied to Russia as part of the Lend-Lease Program stopped at YXD en route to Russia via Alaska. Quite a few also spent some time there having various modifications done. Northwest Airlines had a facility at YXD during WWII doing that kind of work under contract to the USAAF. I had an aunt who worked for NW there. When the war ended and NW shut down that operation they offered their local Edmonton staff who were being laid off a free trip to MSP.

I will be sad to see YXD finally close sometime in the next few years. It would be nice if that decision could be reversed but I expect it's too late for that now, and Edmontonians did vote to close it in a referendum.


User currently offlineidjim319 From Canada, joined Jul 2011, 47 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Having worked for Time AIr in the early 1990s I remember all of the movements...Convairs, DH7, DH-100, DH-300. F-28...732. I was on the 737s and F28s a lot in and out of YXD. It was amazing the constraints of that airport. It was always a thrill to be on a big jet in and out. Those 732s really must have been at the edge if their performance getting out of there with a full load. You rotated and then there seemed to be apartment blocks out the window. It was really thrilling. I still can't imagine how useless YEG is for short hall compared to YXD. I now live in YYC and will never fly to Edmonton if I have to go to YEG. It is in the middle of nowhere. YXD was amazing -- you arrive in the middle of a great big city. Everything was close and convenient. Now you have a minimum 1 hour commute to downtown -- why bother flying anymore. Calgary lost too. Look back at the amazing service to YXD from YYC to what we have now. A lot of travellers simply drive as I do.

User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 4):
He said that there was some thought of moving the collection to the Reynolds Museum in Wetaskiwin to form one of the largest aircraft collections in Canada. While it won't be nearly as convenient (Wetaskiwin is about half hour south of YEG), it would help the museum survive.

Rant on:
The Reynolds is one of the (sadly) best kept secrets of transportation history in Canada. They had a full scale replica of the AVRO Arrow on display when I was there a few years back. Sad for Edmonton to loose the Museum, but if it helps save the planes...move them all to Wetaskiwin, and start promoting the hell out of a very beautiful, but underused Museum.
Rant off.

YXD... got to fly in on Integra Air's K100, right behind the pilot with no curtain separation...never realized how (seemingly) steep the approach is into the airport!

Happy 85th YXD! Hope you make it another 15 years... *sigh*



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User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1380 times:
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Quoting be77 (Thread starter):
In the early WS days it was one of the first places served, and I used to connect there from YYZ on AC when working in the north in the 80's - now there is not much point flying YYC to Edmonton since the drive from the Leduc airport to Edmonton (plus the security stuff) means it is easier, faster, and more reliable even in the snow to drive from Calgary to Edmonton. At least with YXD you were in Edmonton when the plane landed!

WS didn't fly into YXD ever.


User currently offlinecyeg66 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

Quoting idjim319 (Reply 6):
I still can't imagine how useless YEG is for short hall compared to YXD. I now live in YYC and will never fly to Edmonton if I have to go to YEG. It is in the middle of nowhere. YXD was amazing -- you arrive in the middle of a great big city. Everything was close and convenient. Now you have a minimum 1 hour commute to downtown -- why bother flying anymore. Calgary lost too. Look back at the amazing service to YXD from YYC to what we have now. A lot of travellers simply drive as I do.

YEG sucks for "short haul" to where? You're alluding to YYC.... And no, it doesn't. "One hour minimum to downtown...? Also an exaggeration. What non-Edmontonians (including Calgarians) don't seem to realize is that the "convenience" of YXD is greatly exaggerated for a large and growing affluent proportion of the city. Especially if that convenience was a (very) short flight to sunny YYC to wait impatiently for baggage only to have to recheck it for a flight to points beyond. IMO, not especially convenient for citizens of an equally sized city. For the record, Edmontonians going to Calgary don't fly there, they also drive.

I'm all for keeping XD's 12/30 runway open but only if it's a VFR airport and not a commercial (and therefore cannibalizing) airport that competes with YEG. It's in an ideal location (also cityscape picturesque) to bomb around in a Cardinal or Cherokee but let's not kid ourselves, this isn't the Big Apple, or YYZ, or L.A. Dual commercial airports do not (and cannot) work harmoniously if there are only table scraps to fight over from the start. If airlines and passengers are bountiful, then sure, go ahead, but we all know they aren't over here and to think otherwise is preposterous. Just for the sake of comparison (yes, I know it isn't gonna happen) would Calgarians be ecstatic to hear about a new airport being built just South of Spruce Meadows? Take half the pax from YYC? See the overall # of flights/destinations disappear as a result of airlines splitting their loads and consequently, potentially de-hubbing? I didn't really think so, despite the looooong commute for people from that southern part of town to YYC's location. How come they're able to grin and bear it? Anyway, sorry for the hijack of the topic. Just pointing out that it's a matter of perspective. YEG's location seems not to have an effect on its growth in pax/destinations. In fact, if you take away YYC's two or three prestigious overseas destinations (Lufthansa's taken care of part of that), their route maps don't differ all that much, nor should they. Rejoice in your extra frequencies...

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 7):
Sad for Edmonton to loose the Museum, but if it helps save the planes..

But they haven't lost anything (yet?) nor do I know if they will. In the interim, I'm looking forward to seeing the F-104 become part of their display. Love the dart.



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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 9):
But they haven't lost anything (yet?)

I should have said "Sad IF..."



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