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JFK To Receive First 773A Service In A Few Weeks  
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14314 times:

Transaero is set to begin 773 service on DME-JFK on February 27, initially on 1 of 2 weekly frequencies but on both frequenices a few weeks later. As far as I know, this is the first time a 773 has operated at JFK. Of course JFK has had many 77Ws since Air France began service in 2004, but I believe this is the first original 773.

I believe LAX or some other West Coast cities had 773 service in the last decade. Is this correct? What airlines/routes? Either way, exciting to see "old" 773s at JFK soon!


Source for DME-JFK-DME flights: Sabre and Amadeus

[Edited 2012-01-10 14:29:57 by SA7700]

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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 817 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14319 times:

What about BA? I think it may have operated a 773 to JFK?

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14320 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 1):
What about BA? I think it may have operated a 773 to JFK?

I think the OP meant 777-300A, not the 777-300ER (aka 77W) that is all over JFK.

Other than Asian carriers and EK, the 773A is a rare sight.


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14274 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 2):

Other than Asian carriers and EK, the 773A is a rare sight.

I cannot remember exactly but what about Air India... or are they just EWR?



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14191 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Thread starter):
I believe LAX or some other West Coast cities had 773 service in the last decade. Is this correct?

I don't think any airline that ordered the 777-300 is within range of any US airport until Transaero picked up some used frames. All the 777-300 operators were based in Asia. While having transatlantic legs, it didn't have transpacific legs except for the shortest of routes. I don't think it ever operated to LAX.



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User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14075 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
I don't think any airline that ordered the 777-300 is within range of any US airport until Transaero picked up some used frames. All the 777-300 operators were based in Asia. While having transatlantic legs, it didn't have transpacific legs except for the shortest of routes. I don't think it ever operated to LAX.

KE has flown the 773A into LAX


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7507 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14071 times:

I didnt think a 777-300A could make Moscow to JFK. Guess I was wrong.


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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14027 times:
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Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 2):
I think the OP meant 777-300A, not the 777-300ER (aka 77W) that is all over JFK.

Any visual clues to differentiate for a casual spotter?

Love the look of the B777-300 (usually spot the BA ones at LHR)


User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14029 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 6):
I didnt think a 777-300A could make Moscow to JFK. Guess I was wrong.

Just for reference, the design range of the 777-300A is essentially equivalent to an A330-300

773A - 6,005 nm
A333 - 5,850 nm

The great circle distance from SVO-JFK is 4,051 nm. Should not pose a problem for a 773A.

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 7):

Any visual clues to differentiate for a casual spotter?

Love the look of the B777-300 (usually spot the BA ones at LHR)

Wingtips and GE90s. No 773As were selected with the GE90, and it is the exclusive engine of the 77W.

[Edited 2012-01-09 14:32:52]

User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13987 times:

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 8):
The great circle distance from SVO-JFK is 4,051 nm. Should not pose a problem for a 773A.

Doesn't Delta use a 763 sometimes a 400 on the SVO route from JFK? What is the 767 range compared to a 773A?



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13265 posts, RR: 100
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13923 times:
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Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 5):
KE has flown the 773A into LAX

  

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 8):
Just for reference, the design range of the 777-300A is essentially equivalent to an A330-300

773A - 6,005 nm
A333 - 5,850 nm

Nitpick, the A333 only acheived that range with the latest MTOW increase a few years ago.

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 8):
The great circle distance from SVO-JFK is 4,051 nm. Should not pose a problem for a 773A.

Very true that the distance is nicely within 773 range.

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 8):
No 773As were selected with the GE90, and it is the exclusive engine of the 77W.

Amazing market change with that exclusive... (Well... and PW4098 botch...)

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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13774 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 7):
Any visual clues to differentiate for a casual spotter?

The lack of the enormous engines of the B777-300ER, it's odd that the B777-300 looks "wrong"as the engines appear to be too small as we're so used to the more common B77W.


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13508 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 11):
The lack of the enormous engines of the B777-300ER, it's odd that the B777-300 looks "wrong" as the engines appear to be too small as we're so used to the more common B77W.

I was about to say the same thing. It does look a bit odd. Nice, but odd.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13028 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 6):
I didnt think a 777-300A could make Moscow to JFK. Guess I was wrong.
Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 8):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 6):
I didnt think a 777-300A could make Moscow to JFK. Guess I was wrong.

Just for reference, the design range of the 777-300A is essentially equivalent to an A330-300

773A - 6,005 nm
A333 - 5,850 nm

The great circle distance from SVO-JFK is 4,051 nm. Should not pose a problem for a 773A.

TG used the 773 BKK-ATH (4287 nm) for quite a while. I believe SQ also used the type SIN-AKL at one time (4540 nm).


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11460 times:
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What is so exciting about a 777-300A coming to JFK ? Tons of 777 come to JFK daily, unless a person REALLY knows the difference its no big deal.

User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11307 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
What is so exciting about a 777-300A coming to JFK ? Tons of 777 come to JFK daily, unless a person REALLY knows the difference its no big deal.

I was thinking that myself. Aesthetically, the 773 and 77W are very much the same aircraft give or take one or two differences.



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10272 times:
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Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 8):
Wingtips and GE90s. No 773As were selected with the GE90, and it is the exclusive engine of the 77W.
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 11):
The lack of the enormous engines of the B777-300ER, it's odd that the B777-300 looks "wrong"as the engines appear to be too small as we're so used to the more common B77W.

Thanks for that. I look at the aircraft fuselage, never really pay attention to engines so I wouldn't have spotted a -300 from a -300ER!


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10049 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
I don't think any airline that ordered the 777-300 is within range of any US airport

Korean Air had scheduled B773 service to HNL a few years ago. Since then, they've just about used every widebody in their fleet to HNL except for the A300, B77W, and A380.

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 7):
Any visual clues to differentiate for a casual spotter?

As mentioned earlier, no B773As were equipped with GE90s, so if you happened to see a B773 taking off without the roar of the GE90s, you're seeing (hearing) a B773A.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 2):
Other than Asian carriers and EK, the 773A is a rare sight.

Yup. Funny that all my flights on the B773 were on the non-ER models. Hope to get on a B77W soon, but I'm no rush!  


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10009 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
What is so exciting about a 777-300A coming to JFK ? Tons of 777 come to JFK daily, unless a person REALLY knows the difference its no big deal.

Try asking the same question everytime BA send one of their B77Ws somewhere new, the locals go into meltdown over a B777 that's a wee bit longer than the usual. The B777-300 is relatively rare, indeed the only ones we only get one a day at LHR and probably not for much longer. Of course some of us do know the difference, just saying...  


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9977 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 9):
Doesn't Delta use a 763 sometimes a 400 on the SVO route from JFK? What is the 767 range compared to a 773A?

Similar.

B763ER - 5990 nm
B764 - 5625nm
B773A - 6005 nm

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[Edited 2012-01-10 06:32:10]


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9708 times:
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Quoting skipness1E (Reply 18):
Try asking the same question everytime BA send one of their B77Ws somewhere new, the locals go into meltdown over a B777 that's a wee bit longer than the usual.

Aficionados go photograph BA 77W because they are rare and have seen hundreds of BA 777-200ER by now. The 77W could be in huge nimbers in BA's fleet for 20 years or it could in small numbers for 5 years until A359 come.


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

That raises a curious question for me though. On the "shorter" legs, which would be more efficient? The 300 or 300ER?


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User currently offlineSuperBus From France, joined Nov 2011, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

9W have also serviced 777-300ERs into JFK before switching over to A330s.

SuperBus


User currently offlinenipoel123 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

Quoting SuperBus (Reply 22):
9W have also serviced 777-300ERs into JFK before switching over to A330s.

If I'm not mistaking, we're talking about the 'standard' 773 here, not the ER version.

The 773 is basically a stretched 772(ER?), right?



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 5):
KE has flown the 773A into LAX

I thinking the same thing, you just beat me to it.


25 AirGabon : Yes, this is an event as 773 has never been operated on any transatlantic route and 773 has never been operated by any European airline. So yes, this
26 thenoflyzone : Depends, the 773A's operating empty weight is 16,200 lbs less than the 77W. That being said, the 77W can haul an extra 30,000lbs the 773A cannot (MLW
27 SEPilot : I'm actually a bit surprised that the 77W has been such a runaway hit while the 773 only had moderate success. How many 77W's fly only missions that c
28 thenoflyzone : i'd say over 90%. Yes, 6,000nm range is very respectable, considering only a handful of ULH flights in the world are longer than that. Most likely. O
29 SEPilot : How much of that is additional payload and how much is structure?
30 bmacleod : Just to clarify, the 777-300 has smaller fuel tanks or a worse fuel-burn ratio than the newer 77W?
31 thenoflyzone : I guess half is structure. 16,200lbs, based on OEW comparison. The 773ER can carry 2,600 US gallons more fuel than its older brother. Thenoflyzone
32 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Hasn't EK substituted a 77W with them on the DXB-HAM-JFK route before? I seem to recall being told that did happen once or twice. Dan
33 SEPilot : Unless engine or aerodynamic efficiency is significantly increased, logic says that the 773 should have better economics than the 77W for missions wi
34 theobcman : Just out of interest what is the only one a day 773 we get at LHR - I'm not aware.
35 raggi : Emirates! raggi
36 contrails15 : So what 777 was Transaero using before to JFK? They go off and on with their 747 and 777.
37 thrufru : I flew on a 773 of Qatar Airways into JFK several years ago.
38 seabosdca : Their 772ER. They are just now getting the 773As, which are ex-SQ. WingedMigrator's old charts indicated that the 77L, despite its extra weight, star
39 theobcman : EK - Of course. Good man thanks
40 Post contains images PlymSpotter : A 777-300ER yes, but not a 777-300 standard. Dan
41 jfk777 : Why celebrate the arrival at JFK of a 777-300(non ER). The 77W is the standard longer 777. I am going to be post #41 of this topic. We have better th
42 aerorobnz : It's older and rarer - and likely to be retired sooner. For a plane spotter, photographer and airframe collector it is worth celebrating. When you ar
43 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I don't, personally. Everyone has their hobbies, some like the detail more than others. Nothing wrong with that. Dan
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