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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 46  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4488 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11933 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLVI


"Tribute to Tikal Jets"

Tikal Jets Airlines was an airline based at La Aurora International Airport, Guatemala City. It was in service from 1992 to 2006.
It changed ownership in 1998 to become the Guatemalan national flagship airline. At that time, Tikal Jets had been very successful with constant growth, becoming one of the leader businesses in Guatemala. I think its most successful route was GUA-FRS.
With sustainable growth, Tikal Jets Airlines had been able to acquire modern and larger airplanes. Tikal Jets Airlines can be considered Central America's first low-cost carrier. Financial issues led to the disappearance of the airline.

IATA Code: WU
Hub: La Aurora International Airport.
Regular destinations: Guatemala City, Flores, Cancun, Mexico City, Cancun, Managua and San Pedro Sula.

Fleet in August 2006:
2 DC-9-51: TG-ALE, TG-JII
1 DC-9-32: TG-URY
3 L LET L-410UVP Turbolet: YN-CFE, unknown, unknown

Previous fleet:
2 BAC 1-11 Series 401AK: TG-TJF, TG-TJK









Edited on January 10th 2012.


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11875 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
"Tribute to Tikal Jets"

R.I.P. Tikal Jet.
Now that TA has become more Colombian than Centralamerican, there might be room for local airlines based in GUA and MGA to better take care of those markets most importan O/D routes. Not enough may do TA/AV flying passengers from GUA/MGA to MIA/LAX via SAL.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11852 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
"Tribute to Tikal Jets"

Greatly missed, and I think that their success in a sense was that they made the routes very competitive GUA-FRS at $99, GUA-MEX at $300, etc.

But their downfall was trying to enter SAL and SJO instead of securing routes to the US. Their docket was filed weeks before they were out of the skies. Adding to that the cartel's best practices.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Regular destinations: Guatemala City, Flores, Cancun, Mexico City, Cancun, Managua and San Pedro Sula.

They also flew to BZE for a while (emphasis on "while")

But I have to say that if I could pick a name that I would like to see again on an a/c would be AeroQuetzal, dunno just has a nice ring to it. Also the short lived Mayan World Airlines had a nice logo.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 2):
Greatly missed, and I think that their success in a sense was that they made the routes very competitive GUA-FRS at $99, GUA-MEX at $300, etc.

They even had promotion all you can fly from $199 to $699 when they had Flores, Mexico City, Havana and Cancun.

http://guatemala.travelreality.com/h...ala&Categoria=Noticias&AlbumID=348

Juanchito



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

I recall seeing WU here in Belize. They were a little ahead of their times.


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User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11748 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):
Not enough may do TA/AV flying passengers from GUA/MGA to MIA/LAX via SAL.

Yea changing planes is not fun. My business associate got stuck in PTY late last night waiting for a almost 3 hour delay on his connection to Santo Domingo. They finally made it in at past 3AM He was not happy ...

[Edited 2012-01-11 06:56:28]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11744 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 2):
their downfall was trying to enter SAL and SJO

That was a big no-no back then.

Quoting aer (Reply 2):
the cartel's best practices
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
They were a little ahead of their times

Indeed they were.. now the cartel's sphere of influence is gradually shifting away from CentAm and the fetid "tráfico de influencias" vacuum should open up a range of possibilities for Honduran and/or Guatemalan start–ups and established small players like PM and 5C alike.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11734 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 5):
Yea changing planes is not fun. My business associate got stuck in PTY late last night waiting for a almost 3 hour delay on his connection to Santo Domingo. They finally made it in at past 3AM He was not happy ...

Sorry to hear your business associate couldn't get a seat on the non-stop flight from wherever he was flying to SDQ and had to fly via PTY hub also sorry not to hear if CM offered him the option of a hotel night in PTY and flight to SDQ next morning.
CM could be so unfair and unconsidered with its passengers sometimes..



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User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11734 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
Sorry to hear your business associate couldn't get a seat on the non-stop flight from wherever he was flying to SDQ and had to fly via PTY hub also sorry not to hear if CM

He actually choose to fly thru PTY, as he wanted to make a stop-over on the way back to visit a friend in Panama.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
PTY hub also sorry not to hear if CM offered him the option of a hotel night in PTY and flight to SDQ next morning.

Apparently they got Subway sandwiches.. His other complain was that the bar at VIP room seemed to close early hahah



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11727 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
His other complain was that the bar at VIP room seemed to close early hahah

I believe the bar at the Presidents Club, now COPA Club stops serving liquor at 0200h weeknights because a new Panamanian law, Ley Zanahoria (Carrots' law). Either that or the COPA club closes just a while after last CM flight has departed for the evening.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11691 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 6):
the cartel's sphere of influence is gradually shifting away from CentAm and the fetid "tráfico de influencias" vacuum should open up a range of possibilities

Obviously this slow and gradual process will be partly dependent on Kriete either retiring or passing on.



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User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11685 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 10):
Obviously this slow and gradual process will be partly dependent on Kriete either retiring or passing on.

Are you really wishing ill on a human being?



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11685 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
CM could be so unfair and unconsidered with its passengers sometimes..

I do think CM is very fair with its passangers, a brazilian man was telling me he had his canon camera stolen in panama it was inside his suit case, it was professional one, he had the receipts he GOT REFUNDED by CM, nnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever TAM or Gol would do the same in brazil, they'd refuse to file the complaint and then the pax would lawsuit them and in the end they'd reach a deal! ]

my aunt also lost her conection in PTY years ago and she got 300 USD in cash! and plus hotel etc.. etc...


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11634 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 6):
Indeed they were.. now the cartel's sphere of influence is gradually shifting away from CentAm and the fetid "tráfico de influencias" vacuum should open up a range of possibilities for Honduran and/or Guatemalan start–ups and established small players like PM and 5C alike.

yeah right....they are still very much hard at work.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11633 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 11):
Are you really wishing ill on a human being?

Nonsense.. suppose I said the heir–apparent Prince Charles would succeed to the throne of England in the event that his mother either abdicates or dies.. following your flawed train of thought, I would be "wishing ill" on Elizabeth II.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 12):
he had his canon camera stolen in panama it was inside his suit case, it was professional one, he had the receipts he GOT REFUNDED by CM

TACA customer service would have promptly replaced it on the spot (no questions asked) with one of these..




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User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11610 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 14):
Nonsense.. suppose I said the heir–apparent Prince Charles would succeed to the throne of England in the event that his mother either abdicates or dies.. following your flawed train of thought, I would be "wishing ill" on Elizabeth II.

I was just taking your comments into context with the other wonderful comments you have had about the Gentleman. I may have assumed wrongly that you wish him anything other than a long and fruitful life.  



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11536 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 15):
I may have assumed wrongly that you wish him anything other than a long and fruitful life

I have nothing against him personally.. however, I do take issue with his blatant and long–standing disregard for corporate ethics and integrity.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11434 times:

The new LIR passenger terminal finally opened its doors this morning to process tourists departing for MIA on board AA2164 (738) and those arriving from SYQ on board 5C550 (DHT) which is an MGA–bound through flight.




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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11432 times:

More images of the new LIR passenger terminal: 123456 (courtesy La Nación www.nacion.com)


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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11354 times:

According to this link in Guatemalan newpaper "El Periodico" Tag will start flying to Cancun and Palanque from Flores. I read in other forum that they will get 2 more Saab340 and they will retire 2 of the 5 Emb110.

They will start operation on April 2012

http://www.elperiodico.com.gt/es/20120112/economia/206309/

Juanchito



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User currently offlineluisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11349 times:

Hey guys,

Just wanted to share here my latest TR, Panama-Monterrey with Copa in C class. It's one of Copa's latest routes and I'm very happy to have flown it... I had been waiting many years for this nonstop flight.

Copa Airlines Business: Panama - Monterrey 73G


Saludos,
Luis


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4488 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11314 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 17):
The new LIR passenger terminal finally opened its doors this morning to process tourists departing for MIA on board AA2164 (738) and those arriving from SYQ on board 5C550 (DHT) which is an MGA–bound through flight.


I just watched a report on TV, where the Costa Rican officials are trying to promote the European tourism to Liberia in the coming months.




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Quoting luisde8cd (Reply 20):
Panama-Monterrey with Copa


CM PTY-MTY was part of the expansion plans on Copa Airlines during the previous year. This route was also included into the recent expansion of the bilateral agreement between Mexico and Panama.
You were lucky to fly this new route that has less than one month of commercial operation !

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11241 times:

Quoting luisde8cd (Reply 20):
Just wanted to share here my latest TR, Panama-Monterrey with Copa in C class

I enjoyed reading that.. thanks!  

Speaking of trip reports, this lady emailed a local english–language weekly to comment on her recent air travel experience with CM..

But I am thankful to report that my travel experience on Copa Airlines —not a U.S. company— was surprisingly enjoyable. Staff at the airport was friendly and helpful, lines were short and moved quickly, flight attendants were attentive and served food (!), no extra baggage fees, no problems, no stress. That kind of customer service is going to put other airlines out of business.

Almost a week later, another lady wrote in to rave about how she thoroughly enjoyed her flight, this one with TA..

Copa, and its subsidiary, Taca, give a great experience. Blankets and pillows waiting on your seat, food and drink on even the one-hour flights. I took Taca from Chicago (left from the International Terminal, which is very quiet and easy) through El Salvador, and arrived in Costa Rica incredibly relaxed. It was hands–down the best airline experience.

Oops.. there goes one customer who failed the brand awareness test. 



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11226 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 22):
Almost a week later, another lady wrote in to rave about how she thoroughly enjoyed her flight, this one with TA..

The world is obviously coming to an end.....it is 2012 after all.



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User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11225 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 22):
Copa, and its subsidiary, Taca, give a great experience

Hahahha.. i am sure that would give you pal Mr. Krite a few sleepless nights..



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25 yellowtail : I truly have to save this lady's comment for the next time I run in Montero. he will have a really good laugh.
26 Post contains images mt99 : If CM announces BZE - then the world is trully doomed on 2012
27 aer : Ohhh boy, this can't be good. I saw it in Prensa Libre also on the same day (Jan 12), good for them for thinking of FRS and its potential as a local
28 Post contains links aer : And better late then never Guatemala's DGAC finally published an GUA website
29 yellowtail : They might not have a ICAO code but TAG are wiley operators. They are very aggressive. I wish them well. what if B6 announces. Or WN?
30 mt99 : Then we wont make it to April 2012!!
31 Post contains images viaggiare : Looks sharp.. except for the fact that they seem to rely on flightstats for their webFIDS.
32 aer : I know, it just falls under the category of (stressing the spelling) pior es nada usté
33 SJOtoLIR : I hope that the aviation authorities of Guatemala someday would include better annual statistics related to passenger operations. Regards.[Edited 201
34 SJOtoLIR : I would include the following data derived from the DGAC website from Guatemala: Mundo Maya International Airport in Santa Elena de Flores managed 100
35 Post contains links viaggiare : DL413 (ATL–SJO B752) diverted to TPA last night, following an incident with a German couple (sitting in F) who appear to have "raised concerns about
36 Post contains links viaggiare : The aircraft was cruising at FL370 some ten nautical miles east of TPA when the diversion commenced.
37 yellowtail : Food service? what food service?
38 andrefranca : Not wanting to come with prejudice guys, BUT Cabin crew in north america are notorious to find any excuse to kick pax off the flight if they feel the
39 wingedtaurus : How is CM doing on ths route? Is PTY-GDL working as well? A.
40 Post contains images viaggiare : Yeah.. some of 'em passive–aggressive flight crews can be creepy.. schizophrenic, even. Might have had something to do vith zer accents, yah? lmao
41 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-MTY 4x weekly just began on December 16th and there's few information to determine how is it doing now. The only light is the attached trip re
42 2travel2know2 : It seems that since CM changed the schedule, loads could have improved. While it's not that nice to depart GDL (or MTY) before 0600h, that early depa
43 Post contains images yellowtail : obviously you haven't met the germans I have
44 ColAvionLover : Hi all, Just wanted to announce that Panama's Annual Air Show (Festival Aéreo) will be taking place late this month at Howard ex Air Force Base (Now
45 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Thank you for the info ! Breaking news! COPA announces four new destinations from June 2012. Dedicated thread: Copa Airlines Announces New Destinatio
46 yellowtail : Now lets see if my next prediction for Dec start of BZE and GCM is right. I know RTB (via John Edwards of Parrot Tree resort) is pushing hard...even
47 SJOtoLIR : We slightly agreed in some of the new destinations selected by the airline. Las Vegas was really a big surprise to me. I'm looking forward to post th
48 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I don't want to duplicate the information. Thus, the new schedules on CM PTY-CUR 4x weekly, CM PTY-LAS 4x weekly and CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly have been po
49 2travel2know2 : That could be a good excuse to go see BLB Howard since it's rumoured London & Regional (Panamá Pacífico developers) isn't quite keen in all the
50 mt99 : Fantastic news! Congratulation CM on an increasingly amazing operation!
51 2travel2know2 : Not sure if LIR R.O.N. would have been more suitable for CM @ LIR. Not sure if any airline actually keeps a plane overninght @ LIR.
52 viaggiare : I am with you on both BZE and GCM for DEC2012.. add SFO and/or SSA. AA now keeps a 738 overnight (AA2165/2164) six days a week.
53 SJOtoLIR : CO IAH-LIR-IAH 7x weekly also remains grounded overnight in Liberia: CO 1510.....IAH 17:17.......LIR 20:45..........Daily CO 1511.....LIR 07:50......
54 Post contains links yellowtail : For all you guys that were championing the ratings of Panama and Costa Rica in the last thread (and rightly so)....I would like to make my case for Be
55 viaggiare : Cool.. what is the closest landing strip to the Hamanasi? and will San Pedro/Ambergris ever get its own international airport?
56 yellowtail : DGA...Dangriga Not likely in the foreseeable future. Lots of issues there. And I agree with most of them, including that it should be domestic only,
57 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-GDL: 24 138 passengers in 2010. CM PTY-GDL: 21 096 passengers in 2009. CM PTY-GDL: 22 260 passengers in 2008. Source: "Reporte estadístico ae
58 yellowtail : Looks like it is growing nicely.
59 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM to connect BOC with Latinamerica From www.prensa.com - in Spanish Air Panama will operate flights between PTY and BOC on CM behalf to connect BOC B
60 SJOtoLIR : The remarkable fact here is the utilization of PTY, not PAC. It's widely known that Air Panama is focusing their domestic flights through Albrook whi
61 shaq : Very good news to Bocas and to tourist In general! I don't see CM flying with it's own metal PTYDAV, but maybe, sometime they could be flying somethi
62 Post contains links shaq : Www.prensa.com/impreso/economia/iber...nadio-otro-vuelo-esta-semana/58042 Iberia is opening a new frequency between PTY and MAD
63 2travel2know2 : I strongly believe that DAV right now might be able to support at least twice weekly non-stop flights to MIA. Best scenario given that assumption wou
64 viaggiare : I concur.. Boquete and Volcán retirees alone should be able to fill up a couple of E90s per week. CM could make it even more attractive for gringo e
65 SJOtoLIR : This is the first time that Copa Airlines might modify their instincts and try to supply flights from a Panamanian station other than PTY. Although t
66 2travel2know2 : PTY-FLL be non-stop or via DAV will be attractive not only to DAV O/D but to Port Everglades Cruise passengers and people from Aventura and north Dad
67 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Flashback: The following Pan Am's diagram of routes from 1938 rather resembles to the map of a subway train. Route 5: Panama City, David, San Jose, Ma
68 2travel2know2 : Well Belize City isn't on that route. David and Cristobál are the only Central American non-capital cities included. Panama City used Albrook, Crist
69 Post contains links viaggiare : Considering the town had been demolished just seven years earlier, there was probably not enough traffic to justify scheduled passenger service by a
70 yellowtail : Actually PanAm's flying boats used to stop here (BZE) but that was way way before my time...I have seen pictures of it off the "Barracks Green" ..same
71 SJOtoLIR : I was referring to those regional capital cities by 1938 and Belize was an independent country until 1981. . I don't get information about the accura
72 SJOtoLIR : Due to the recent four new additions, Copa Airlines is getting 63 destinations in 29 countries in the Caribbean, North, Central and South America. The
73 Post contains links mt99 : Impressive!! As a comparison: In the January-December 2011 period, Avianca, Taca and their subsidiaries registered a 17.8% increase in passenger numb
74 SJOtoLIR : It seems that 2011 was indeed a good year for CM and [AV-TA]. The figures related to the domestic traffic in Colombia, Peru and Ecuador unveiled how
75 Post contains links viaggiare : IB will soon be implementing an equipment change (A346 instead of A343) on its once–daily MAD–SJO flights according to local paper La Nación.
76 yellowtail : Speaking of IB in Central America. How is MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD doing. I understand that the SAL portion is not performing as well as GUA
77 Post contains links yellowtail : a sign of things to come http://www.khou.com/news/local/South...-Flights-From-Hobby-138160864.html
78 SJOtoLIR : We haven't heard any progress in that route lately: IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD. 4x weekly. IB MAD-PTY-MAD. Upgraded to 5x weekly. IB MAD-SJO-MAD. Equipment c
79 2travel2know2 : I'd rather see 1-2 extra E190 frequencies instead.[qoute]April 06. CM PTY-ASU 4x weekly. 738 replaces the 73G.[/quote]So soon after the route opening
80 SJOtoLIR : So soon after the route opening?[/quote] I think so. AA hasn't even demonstrated interest to resume the intended service to Asuncion. Nothing is happ
81 2travel2know2 : PTY's new Muelle Norte (north concourse) should be operational by now. Got into PTY yesterday and there were no movements around it. Any insight on wh
82 viaggiare : I'm actually amazed they haven't thought of installing coin–operated urinals and toilets alongside the slot machines.
83 Post contains links viaggiare : Recommended reading.. a business journalist from La Nación interviewed the parrot cartel's veteran spinmeister extraordinarie and asked her whether T
84 mt99 : She is paid by The Coffee-Drinking Parrots, what else is she going to say? "We suck"?? Besides - was anything she said factually incorrect?
85 SJOtoLIR : It's enough to observe the amount of current boarding gates placed at PTY, SAL and SJO as well as to determine the number of frequencies and destinat
86 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Good one! I doubt her statement about TACA accounting for over half of all SJO operations is accurate (unless she's including RZ domestic ops) consid
87 SJOtoLIR : I also doubt if that proportion is valid. The comprehensive list about weekly seats offered by airline as well as the breakdown of passengers transpo
88 mt99 : To prove his point Viaggiare should give us a detailed accounting of this.
89 yellowtail : Does anything public sector oriented go according to plan in our part of the world?
90 yellowtail : TA has been occasionally subbing 320/321s for the E-jet on BZE-SAL over the last few weeks. the 321 today was full....so don't think it is eqp shortag
91 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I recently received an e-mail survey from 5C Nature Air asking about the advisability of shift its base of operations from San Jose Pavas to Juan Sant
92 Post contains images yellowtail : At least they are on the list
93 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : When Panamanians return home from holidays aboard, regardless if at the same time KL and/or IB arrive, PTY customs is a mad house. Would not call 60
94 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama Tourist Authority will negotiate with DE and BA From www.prensa.com in Spanish. The Panama Tourist Authority wants DE to double its FRA-PTY fre
95 yellowtail : I am hearing rumors of a imminent KX announcement on GCM-PTY. Any of my PTY friends know anything about this?
96 2travel2know2 : KX is afraid CM will start the route before them?
97 yellowtail : Whose knows...either way Cayman needs a lot of english speaking labor and PTY does have some of that available.
98 2travel2know2 : Then a flight to Bluefields or Kingsman Bluff Puerto Cabezas Nicaragua would come handy. Panama is trying to keep the few English speaking labour it
99 Post contains images yellowtail : Hey I speak english if you know of any jobs in Panama Seriously, i think this route would do well on either CM or KX....lots of Y...and some nice J.
100 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : DAV gets a 30% passenger traffic increase from www.prensa,com - in Spanish Due to the closure of the Pan-American Highway in several places in western
101 SJOtoLIR : DE FRA-SDQ-PTY 1x weekly is planning to increase their frequencies to 2x weekly flights from June 25 till October 22. That was posted before this new
102 luisde8cd : More widebodies to PTY: Effective Feb 7th, SBAirlines will upgrade its CCS-PTY-CCS route from 752 to 763 equipment. This will PTY's only scheduled wid
103 MGASJO : Speaking of Puerto Cabezas. Cocesna finished adjusting and checking its ILS, it's working fine and dandy. Also night operations will be allowed short
104 2travel2know2 : I believe DE does have traffic rights between SDQ and PTY, so there's already a wide-body Latinamerican route in PTY. Things may be going well for SB
105 avi8 : Does anyone know when CM will finish updating their fleet interior with AVOD. I think that is a huge advancement in their product, specially for those
106 avi8 : Does anyone know when CM will finish updating their fleet interior with AVOD. I think that is a huge advancement in their product, specially for those
107 yellowtail : Seems like Cayman Airways will begin seasonal service to PTY. Being discussed now in the Caribbean Thread
108 Post contains images luisde8cd : I tried booking a flight with DE originating in PTY and it is not possible in condor.com. The only flights you can buy from PTY are via SJU connectin
109 Post contains links luisde8cd : For those who want CM landing in DAV, your wishes just came true thanks to the road blocks in Panama's main highway linking DAV with the rest of the c
110 2travel2know2 : The new terminal isn't ready so the tiny building will feel like a can of sardines. Wonder if DAV has stairs for the aircraft. CM flew in a B737 into
111 Post contains images luisde8cd : An example of how PTY's parking lot collapses during rush hours:
112 MGASJO : I wonder when they will unpaint the taxiway in DAV? Still showing the numbers and markings as 04/22, centerlines and piano keys.
113 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-CCS 21x weekly with (73G-738) mix is likely reporting high yields for the airline considering how much is the single ticket in such route. I u
114 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : More than 10 flights have departed DAV From www.prensa.com - in Spanish Due to road-blocks at the Panamerican highway CM, Air Panama and TA Regional's
115 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama air traffic control at risk from www.prensa.com - in Spanish Today La Prensa gives us the news that Panama could face problems due to the lack
116 shaq : The situation in Panama is not looking very good. I hope this desnt affect tourism.
117 yellowtail : Did you PTY guys catch Panama on "The Bachelor" last night?....next week it is BZE. Good for tourism of both countries. Too bad the "contestants" and
118 Post contains images mt99 : Well if they were going to BZE they could not have taken CM. Because CM does not fly to BZE.
119 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : The new terminal doesn't look quite ready to operate yet... Regards.
120 2travel2know2 : I've not seen the inside but from those photos, it looks like it's ready to be used. Don't want to be led to believe something is happening outside t
121 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The attached press release stated that Peruvian authorities recommended to TACA the possibility to serve Puerto Maldonado, Iquitos y Pucallpa in 2011.
122 avi8 : in other news, AM announced a second daily frequency to SJO. The new schedule is as follows: New frequency starts March 15th. The complete schedule is
123 Post contains links juanchito : According to La Nacion Taca will add flights between San Jose and Monterrey beginning this May, they will operate it 3 weekly. They also mention the s
124 Post contains links mt99 : A friend of mines emailed me this: Will be very interesting to watch! Description: Pilots of TACA Flight 110 make a remarkable landing on a narrow lev
125 SJOtoLIR : The intended TA SJO-MTY 3x weekly is indirectly facing CM PTY-MTY 4x weekly that began in December 2011.
126 luisde8cd : Considering that both CM/TA will join Star soon, will TA's schedule into MTY complement CM's service so that TA-CM offer daily flights to/from MTY?
127 avi8 : Not so sure it's going to work.CM had to downgrade irs current 4 weekly service, so I doubt SJO-MTY would work. I might be wrong though.
128 2travel2know2 : Numbers CM has been getting from MTY route since it started hints that MTY should have been an E175 route (Yes E175, of which CM has none), I'd not h
129 SJOtoLIR : I might believe it if the operational days on CM PTY-MYT don't match the same days of the week when TA SJO-MTY would be flying such segment. . Perhap
130 2travel2know2 : There you've it. That's why I wrote CM should have E175 for GDL and MTY. If CM really wants to be competitive in the PTY-GDL route, it better operate
131 CM767 : The tender for the furniture was out just by the end of last year, even later than September 2011, when it was first schedule to open. Then it was la
132 SJOtoLIR : Delta Air Lines announces their operational changes in Central America: DL ATL-PTY: [June 09 - August12]. Planned 757 replacing 738 cancelled. DL ATL-
133 viaggiare : So whadda ya know.. Honduras gets the 757 upgrade and the NYTimes' #1 tourist destination for 2012 does not.
134 Post contains images avi8 : Sad to see the second daily ATL-GUA not coming back
135 SJOtoLIR : It's great for Honduras that growth in equipment and frequencies on DL. I remember five years ago, how DL ATL-SAP [4-5]x weekly was barely operating
136 yellowtail : It is not the LF that matter. It is the yields. There are routes (like BZE-MIA) that can run a 30% LF (Which it doesn't) but are easily profitable Ni
137 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama Tourist Authority will promote Panama with AV/TA from www.prensa.com - in Spanish The Panama Tourist Authority will promote Panama as a destina
138 aer : Same here, especially because their "normal" flight's schedule is terrible for connections.
139 viaggiare : With loads averaging 80% on that high–yield route, CM will most certainly keep trying.. the bilateral allows both countries up to five daily flight
140 2travel2know2 : So in the meanwhile we could expect CM to fly PTY-LIM-PTY 4 times per day with B737-800 then. IMHO, CIX Chiclayo may be more convenient for northern
141 SJOtoLIR : I envisage soon another odd 3x weekly segment like TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE 3x weekly which is hardly competing with CM/P5 PTY-MDE 28x weekly. . I don't man
142 juanchito : They will bring back for high season that flight on June 461 Atlanta (ATL) 9:45am Guatemala City (GUA) 11:16am Boeing 757-200 451 Atlanta (ATL) 7:20p
143 RAGAZZO777 : Here in Peru no one really gets why CM wasn't allowed to fly a 5th daily flight between Lima and Panama City. And I wouldn't be holding my breath on
144 2travel2know2 : If CM is to start AQP instead of the 5th LIM daily, that probably would upset both T0 and LP even more. The advantage CIX has over TRU is that CIX co
145 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Government officials in Costa Rica praise the intended service of Copa Airlines in Liberia as they will boost the tourism from South America through P
146 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama won't be promoted in China From www.prensa.com - in Spanish Even if Panama is looking for a direct frequency from Asia to PTY, The Panama Touri
147 avi8 : A plane cannot make it directly to Asia from PTY. At least not without restricitons. I don't see any Asian carriers coming to CA in the near future.
148 SJOtoLIR : Some months ago, it was discussed on this board the possibility of ANA flying to Panama City in the future. Perhaps the 787-9 is capable to sustain th
149 2travel2know2 : Direct flight = same aircraft departs PTY, stops somewhere and lands in Asia. Non-stop flight = same aircraft departs PTY and lands in Asia. Panamani
150 SJOtoLIR : If I remember correctly, Eva Air operated TPE-LAX-PTY from 1996 to 2001. Regards.
151 avi8 : You're right, by Asia I meant East Asia (China, Japan, Korea).
152 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : The withdrawal of BR TPE-LAX-PTY might happen before 2001 as CM PTY-LAX was already in service by late 2000. Once CM took delivery of its Boeing 737
153 avi8 : Does anyone know why Us Airways' flight fromCLT to GUA ceased to exist? If I remember correctly, they flew it daily. Couldn't they make it 3x weekly.
154 Post contains images viaggiare :
155 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : I remember an old post concerning to the airport staff who attended US CLT-GUA in the past. Once UA GUA-LAX dropped their operations in Guatemala Cit
156 SJOtoLIR : CUZ has become a focus city for TACA. TA LIM-CUZ was barely attended in the past on a daily basis and the airline is now operating 25x weekly flights.
157 2travel2know2 : Yes there was an interline agreement between BR and CM at that time. Remember seeing GYE bound passengers arriving with BR having to sort out their b
158 juanchito : Wow alla Boeing 787 and Airbus A380 Juanchito
159 juanchito : Rumors from TAG is that they are getting 2 twinjet regional jet, any guesses? CRJ or ERJ Juanchito
160 Post contains links yellowtail : Tropic Air has started advertising the BZE-SAP flights.... you can check it out on their FB page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tropic-Air-Belize/34065
161 fascm170 : THe US departure from GUA had nothing to do with UA. It was a business decision made on $ 147 per barrel in July 2008 and crews needed a 3 month noti
162 2travel2know2 : With CM in Star, is US CLT-PTY a question of when?
163 SJOtoLIR : I didn't find any word related to the intended PM BZE-RTB which was also announced by March 2012. . Thank you for your comprehensive post. It clarifi
164 2travel2know2 : Have doubts of a US PHX-SAL someday. As I hear Salvadorean demographics in Arizona aren't same as in California.
165 yellowtail : Its been postponed for a few months, but should start before the end of the year. Didn't they trim DEN-SJO to 5Xweekly. But I agree, it is going nowh
166 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines announces changes in their operations in Ecuador: CM PTY-UIO 14x to 21x weekly [21x with 738] and CM PTY-GYE 14x to 21x weekly [14x with
167 2travel2know2 : With thrice daily to both UIO and GYE it seems that there's no need to add more frequencies through P5 Copa Colombia to Ecuador.
168 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The latest figures sustain by themselves why I should think that F9 DEN-SJO is not in danger at this time: Frontier Airlines on Denver - San Jose - D
169 Post contains images point2point : Hmmmm.... ? I think that I can agree with you. Just from a $$$ standpoint, if we take about a 90% load factor on an F9 A319, that will fill about 123
170 yellowtail : LFs do not equal profits...and at that stage length profits will be thin even at those fares....remember this tie up an aircraft for 12+hours.
171 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : I just checked the one-way fares on CO SJO-IAH and then CO IAH-DEN which are starting at $265+ Thus, CO and F9 are matching the fares in such route a
172 yellowtail : Remember CO costs is SJO are much lower. More frequency = lower station costs (spread across more pax). I would also mention that CO probably has mor
173 SJOtoLIR : Think this way: when NK FLL-SJO commenced their operations in 2007, they offered round-trip fares at $210 or so. AA rapidly matched their tickets int
174 yellowtail : LCC model doesn't change the cost of the fuel to put in the plane. Right now F9 is paying slightly more than UA.
175 aer : Hey guys, looking for a bit of advice. I have to travel to
176 yellowtail : BZE, POS...maybe even NBO?
177 aer : Weird, my post wasn't posted.
178 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Correct, but one low-cost carrier can save money in meals, service on board, baggage, staff and so forth. Anyways, my statements are merely sustained
179 Post contains images yellowtail : UA (CO)....meals? What meals? your point is taken.
180 aer : Ok, here is yesterday's post. I'll be traveling to YOW from June 2012 to March 2013 (as I said in college... I'm gonna freeze my tropical butt), but n
181 2travel2know2 : CM could take you to YYZ for USD1368.50 (taxes included) with what it seems to be a one-year ticket. Website shows last return date available sometim
182 yellowtail : I would wait.
183 Post contains links viaggiare : I agree with yellowtail.. wait. People tend to think that the sooner you buy an airline ticket, the better. Think again.. according to a recent study
184 aer : Wait it is, thanks all!
185 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : TA/LR SJO-JFK is now operating as 6x weekly with 319 and probably influenced by AA SJO-JFK 7x weekly with 738. I don't visualize any progress in terms
186 2travel2know2 : Which involve going thru U.S. and Canadian immigration/customs. TA or CM fly to YYZ from Centralamerica, no U.S. immigration/customs.
187 aer : True and that is very comfortable, but as SJOtoLIR said, Which is a pain.
188 yellowtail : You could probably do GUA-CUN-Canada. Lots of options from there...AC, WS et al. Even Sunwing will sell you seats.
189 aer : Can't, no more GUA-CUN flights. I'm starting to think Canada isn't that well connected to CentAm, dunno if it's the same with all of LatAm. It's surp
190 yellowtail : Doesn't TAG fly their SAAB on the route?
191 2travel2know2 : Well, CM tried to get frequencies to both YYZ and YUL, Canada only gave Panama 4 scheduled frequencies to YYZ.
192 aer : Not that I know of, but still how would you manage it with no interline agreements. And that's where you start a Guatemalan subsidiary or a stop over
193 yellowtail : I think it is same plane service GUA-FRS-CUN. No need for interline..buy 2 separate tickets. one GUA-CUN and the other CUN-Canada. If you want to sav
194 Post contains links aer : From their twitter account, all I can say is, took you long enough, CM changing the font on the logo here [Edited 2012-02-29 13:11:25]
195 mt99 : Is that "Arial 10" font that they are using?
196 yellowtail : Yeah , what is the deal with the font change?
197 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Aeropuerlas (TACA Reginal Panamá) stopped operations today from www.prensa.com - in Spanish With a press release informing of a business model change
198 luisde8cd : Unbelievable! I was booked to fly with them this weekend =(. I tried to book the same route with AirPanama but they are obviously sold out. I'm screw
199 avi8 : AM begins third daily frequency on MEX - GUA starting April 3rd. Schedule is as follows: MEX 09:30 PM - GUA10:25 PM. B737 Daily GUA 06:30 AM - MEX 09:
200 viaggiare : So.. ground all aircraft and shut everything down suddenly, to implement a business model change? lol
201 2travel2know2 : Awfully weird indeed.
202 SJOtoLIR : TA SAL-YYZ 3x weekly CM PTY-YYZ 4x weekly AC YYZ-SJO 3x weekly AC YYZ-LIR 3x weekly AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly I don't list the charter flights between Can
203 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The thread once again surpassed the 200 mark. Please, continue the discussion in the new version: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 47 (by SJOtoL
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