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No Takeoff Flaps....  
User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Hello all,
A couple of weeks ago, my family and myself were on an American A300 bound for Lima from Miami. I was seated in the 34th row, when I noticed that the captain did not deploy the take off flaps. We moved into take off position then I heard the engines at full roar. I saw that the flaps were not deployed (I figured the front slats were down into position) and I nearly had a heart attack. Of course, we took off normally and I was left stupified.  Nuts Is this a normal practice for 767s,A300s, etc???
Regards



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User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Only normal no flaps takeoff I have ever heard of is the A330.


The Ohio Player
User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Soku39, I can reassure you that they were not in position, they were in normal cruise position (or position that one would see them at the gate). We must have been lightly loaded. The only other time I witnessed this was at takeoff with a USAirways Fokker 100. (Philadelphia to Boston).

User currently offlineHeavyJet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Previously discussed at length but yes, the A300-600 is approved for a "0" flap takeoff. The flap/slat handle is set to the first notch 15/0 (slats=15, flaps=0).The slats are extended but you probably couldn't see them from your seat.

It's normal and approved.

A300Capt


User currently offlineRendezvous From New Zealand, joined May 2001, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

I've noticed and Air New Zealnd 762ER taking off with only the slats down, it was off on a 3 hour trans-Tasman flight to Sydney.

User currently offlineTAA_Airbus From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Added performance may not of been required.


Anyway, Im sure the pilots knew what they were doing. If they didnt, you wouldnt be here now!


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

This has been discussed like two months ago. Yes, lightly loaded acfts can t/o w/ zero flap. But slats are a must.

r panda


User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

No Airbus Fly By Wire (A319, A320, A321, A330 or A340) can takeoff without flap.

Minimum takeoff configuration is Flap 1, which will deploy Flap 1+F which is flap and slat. You will have all sorts of alarms go off if you attempt to do so. It is impossible to only deploy slat on the ground.

The B767-200 and B737-300 are also aircraft which can takeoff on Flap 1 (slat), as well as the A300 (also the A310, I believe) and the Fokker 100 often takesoff without any flap whatsoever.

Cheers,

Justin


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