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SWA Announces ATL-LAX: June 10th, 2012  
User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12111 times:

Southwest Airlines Announces New Route Between Atlanta and Los Angeles

DALLAS, Jan. 11, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) announced today plans to operate one new daily nonstop flight between Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and Los Angeles International Airport beginning June 10, 2012. This will be in addition to the three daily flights operated by AirTran, Southwest's wholly-owned subsidiary. The carrier is pleased to add the long-haul route to its map—connecting two destinations popular for both leisure and business. Flights can be booked via www.southwest.com or www.airtran.com.


www.southwest.com -- Source

In addition to the one daily SWA will operate, Air Tran is already currently flying 3 daily, so a combined 4 Daily ATL-LAX between WN and FL will be operating by June 10th, 2012.

Alex

[Edited 2012-01-11 11:09:15]


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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11892 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
In addition to the one daily SWA will operate, Air Tran is already currently flying 3 daily, so a combined 4 Daily ATL-LAX between WN and FL will be operating by June 10th, 2012.

From what I understand is that every WN flight that is added in ATL for shared destinations a FL flight will be dropped, still making this 3 daily, however, that plan could have changed.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11869 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 2):

From what I understand is that every WN flight that is added in ATL for shared destinations a FL flight will be dropped, still making this 3 daily, however, that plan could have changed.

That has been done before, but for this market, as of now it will not be dropped.

It's mentioned in the article I posted, that WN will be flying 4 daily combined...
WN-1
FL-3

Combined--4 Daily.

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
This will be in addition to the three daily flights operated by AirTran, Southwest's wholly-owned subsidiary.

Alex



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11788 times:

Wow Alex...you are lightening fast!   I remember when B6 entered ATL and offered service nonstop to LGB. DL responded by matching fares and offered triple MQM Skymiles. I wonder if this will be the case this time? Of course B6 did not last too long unfortunately.


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User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11772 times:

WN 690 LAX-ATL dep 13:10 arr 20:30
WN 152 ATL-LAX dep 10:35 arr 12:25

So that 73G will RON at ATL, If I'm reading this sked correctly.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11766 times:

Hope they charge less than DL for these flights. Not sure why anybody would want to fly WN on ATL-LAX when they could fly DL and have 18 channels of satellite TV for free.


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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11638 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 4):
Wow Alex...you are lightening fast!   I remember when B6 entered ATL and offered service nonstop to LGB. DL responded by matching fares and offered triple MQM Skymiles. I wonder if this will be the case this time? Of course B6 did not last too long unfortunately.


That wont happen this time because by the time this route is up and running they will have the codeshare in effect with FL. FL does well to LAX. Truth is if WN wants t be serious in the ATL they will have to do these transcons.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 6):
Hope they charge less than DL for these flights. Not sure why anybody would want to fly WN on ATL-LAX when they could fly DL and have 18 channels of satellite TV for free.


That is where I feel WN will have product issues. As they absorb FL and its transcons and further destinations, the product becomes erroded. Granted FL didnt have the in seat screens but it dive have fleet wide Wifi, XM radio and more drink choices then anyone lol. But FL did have biz class as a draw.



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1458 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11612 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 7):
That is where I feel WN will have product issues.

In certain markets, yes... our competitive edge will have to be solely our fares. People keep mentioning "WN doing transcons"... but we've been flying across the country without IFE and meals for years, people just always seem to forget that.



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11570 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 6):
Not sure why anybody would want to fly WN on ATL-LAX when they could fly DL and have 18 channels of satellite TV for free.


The TV is free but the bags are not on DL. For couples that both check bags that's $60 on DL oneway , or $120 round trip. That's a huge difference.



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11559 times:

I once suggested in a.net that Southwest would eventually get into ATL-LAX massively and I was run by a fleet of 18-wheelers driven by the DL crowd. Funny.


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11552 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 7):
In certain markets, yes... our competitive edge will have to be solely our fares



And no fees, DL is notorious for their fees.



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11498 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 3):
Wow Alex...you are lightening fast! I remember when B6 entered ATL and offered service nonstop to LGB. DL responded by matching fares and offered triple MQM Skymiles. I wonder if this will be the case this time? Of course B6 did not last too long unfortunately.

B6, if I remember right, offered bad flight times from ATL to the West Coast. Also, once B6 announced, AirTran (who did not yet have 73G's on the property) arranged the Ryan wet-lease of A320's to get started on Atlanta transcons early. So both the legacy hub carrier and the LCC hub carrier were flying to LAX, and B6 didn't fight back that hard.

B6's entire Atlanta misadventure was kind of strange. It's long been my theory that Neeleman started ATL out of spite for Delta starting Song. Then, once he had to put some serious effort into competing at ATL, he for whatever reason did not think the market worth fighting for.

Jim



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11501 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 4):
Wow Alex...you are lightening fast! I remember when B6 entered ATL and offered service nonstop to LGB. DL responded by matching fares and offered triple MQM Skymiles. I wonder if this will be the case this time? Of course B6 did not last too long unfortunately.

The only thing I've seen DL do in the wake of WN announcing service to ATL was to match the fares on those routes (and even besting their connecting service fares). Considering that WN is by proxy, an extension of an existing competitor, I don't see them doing much beyond that. However, you probably will see them start pursuing the FL business class passengers once that starts to go away on FL. Of course, they will have to keep their First Class fares on those routes in line with what WN will be charging for their Business Select fares.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 6):
Not sure why anybody would want to fly WN on ATL-LAX when they could fly DL and have 18 channels of satellite TV for free.

Some folks are loyal to WN and there will be FL loyalists that will stick with WN once they integrate FL into their operations as some folks just don't like flying on Delta. I switched from FL to DL about five years ago as I had decided to splurge on a business class/first class ticket and DL wanted the same fare for their first class cabin as FL wanted for their business class cabin. Based on the fares and the amenities, you get more bang for your buck on DL.


User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3268 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11380 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
And no fees, DL is notorious for their fees.

And different from UA and AA how?


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11333 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 9):
I once suggested in a.net that Southwest would eventually get into ATL-LAX massively and I was run by a fleet of 18-wheelers driven by the DL crowd. Funny.


Not entirely incorrect had WN not bought FL I am willing to bet WN would not have done ATL-LAX which when its all said and done they arent doing anything new here all they are doing is replacing FL which already has that market stimulated.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11311 times:

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 13):

And different from UA and AA how?

UA and AA aren't flying ATL-LAX at the moment.

So the focus is on Delta, not AA or UA.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
FL flight will be dropped, still making this 3 daily, however, that plan could have changed.

Then again it is possible WN added their flight to compensate for the dropped red eye flight LAX-ATL? I cannot confirm this.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 3):
Wow Alex...you are lightening fast!

Hahaha Thanks! I just happened to be online when the news came across!

Quoting Acey (Reply 4):
WN 690 LAX-ATL dep 13:10 arr 20:30
WN 152 ATL-LAX dep 10:35 arr 12:25

So that 73G will RON at ATL, If I'm reading this sked correctly.

Excellent, thanks for posting the schedule. Possible or by June, WN 737's can go onward to do other FL Routes too as needed?

Alex



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11244 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
The TV is free but the bags are not on DL. For couples that both check bags that's $60 on DL oneway , or $120 round trip. That's a huge difference.

Then perhaps that couple should be a little more frugle when it comes to packing. Anybody can get away with not checking a bag if they pack right. Just pack up a duffle bag.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
And no fees, DL is notorious for their fees.

And Continental (UA) isn't?



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User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11186 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 12):
Of course, they will have to keep their First Class fares on those routes in line with what WN will be charging for their Business Select fares.

Why? It's a totally different product offering. Why should anyone expect to pay the same (or competitive) for a different seat, food, on board entertainment?


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11105 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):

And Continental (UA) isn't?

As I mentioned just earlier, no one else is flying ATL-LAX.

WN's competition is Delta, Delta's competition is Southwest.

UA and AA are not of concern on this route, so that's why Delta is the one being compared.

Alex



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User currently offlinetravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11096 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 4):
WN 690 LAX-ATL dep 13:10 arr 20:30
WN 152 ATL-LAX dep 10:35 arr 12:25

So that 73G will RON at ATL, If I'm reading this sked correctly.

I would doubt it. The WN plane will probably head somewhere else after landing in ATL, and come back into ATL from somewhere else the following day.

I can't imagine WN letting a plane sit on the ground in ATL (or anywhere) from 20:30 to 10:35...


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11095 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 7):
In certain markets, yes... our competitive edge will have to be solely our fares. People keep mentioning "WN doing transcons"... but we've been flying across the country without IFE and meals for years, people just always seem to forget that.

I wouldn't say the fares, but rather the fees, most people in ATL have the DL Amex card, so they get the first bag for free. Anything after that, this is true. Also with WN's rising costs, fare differences won't be much if at all, most likely DL will match a portion of WN fares, but for the majority not much is changing for DL, other than the lack of products by WN compared to DL. I am sure as far as DL is concerned WN can have all the low yield passengers. We will see how things play out over the next several months, but WN coming to ATL isn't going to be such a massive shock and awe that some people thing it will be. I don't see much changing for either airline really. More so if FL and WN didn't merge and WN came into the market, then FL would have issues, but as far as WN vs DL, I don't expect to see much change. DL is doing well as is WN, and continuous improvement on both ends is happening.



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User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6752 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10984 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 5):
Not sure why anybody would want to fly WN on ATL-LAX when they could fly DL and have 18 channels of satellite TV for free.
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):
Then perhaps that couple should be a little more frugle when it comes to packing. Anybody can get away with not checking a bag if they pack right. Just pack up a duffle bag.

Good luck getting a duffel bag past the DL prison wardens. Anyone can get away with flying transcon without a TV if they bring along a book or laptop or ipad or...

Quoting Acey (Reply 4):
So that 73G will RON at ATL, If I'm reading this sked correctly.

I wouldn't assume that; there's a 2100 departure to BWI, a 2110 departure to HOU, and a 2220 departure to LAS. The first flights from BWI, MDW & HOU arrive in time to turn to LAX.


User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 4):
WN 690 LAX-ATL dep 13:10 arr 20:30
WN 152 ATL-LAX dep 10:35 arr 12:25

So that 73G will RON at ATL, If I'm reading this sked correctly.

Looks like it actually RONs in HOU:

HOU-ATL 0640 - 0940
ATL-LAX 1035 - 1225
LAX-ATL 1310 - 2030
ATL-HOU 2110 - 2220


User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2166 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10896 times:

Quoting travelin man (Reply 19):
I would doubt it. The WN plane will probably head somewhere else after landing in ATL, and come back into ATL from somewhere else the following day.

It is highly probable that it will RON in ATL, WN doesn't schedule many flights at ~9:00p. It won't however fly the return flight at 10:35 the next day, that will certainly be a plane arriving from somewhere else.


User currently offlineindiansbucs From Costa Rica, joined May 2007, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 18):
As I mentioned just earlier, no one else is flying ATL-LAX
Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
And no fees, DL is notorious for their fees.

The above comment isnt specific for the route. It's a general comment about the airline...

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 13):
And different from UA and AA how?
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):
And Continental (UA) isn't?

This responses are surely accurate and i do think the same way...


25 TOMMY767 : Prison wardens? I've only experienced DL prison wardens at EWR when trying to go through security on DL. Never at any other station -- that includes
26 Acey : My mistake, for whatever reason I forgot about WN's other ATL flights when I made that comment.
27 point2point : I'm quite surprised that neither UA or AA are doing a n/s on this route, since both here have LAX as hubs. I guess that they're content with DL getti
28 atrude777 : It is route specific....TOMMY767 mentioned this in his post by talking about Delta on ATL-LAX here... While it is true country wide, UA, DL and AA ar
29 Post contains images TOMMY767 : the statements about the amex card are true. So many have a DL amex card just to have an amex card! (like myself) IIRC UA flew LAX-ATL in 1999 using a
30 cokepopper : WOW, I didn't know that we have Delta personnel at the security checkpoint at EWR.
31 PSU.DTW.SCE : Exactly. The earth is not going to spin off its axis on June 10th, simply because WN added "PMWN" metal on ATL-LAX. This would essentially be no diff
32 Post contains images wnflyguy : Looks like with the FL/WN aircraft transition between April and June in ATL WN will replace 6 more flights total with 24 flights . MKE WN will replace
33 STT757 : News flash, Women brings lots of outfits on vacation. Most Women will find it absolutely impossible to fit everything they need for a week's vacation
34 Splitterz : People are complaining about lack of IFE on WN, but what about the wifi they are adding. I took a flight with WN DEN-PDX (not nearly as long) and the
35 atrude777 : Are you referring to MKE/BWI-ATL or just flights out of MKE and BWI alone, can you give route examples? Alex
36 GSPSPOT : Esp. since ATL already had the FL hub, and FL has/had an arguably superior product than "legacy" WN.
37 Post contains images wnflyguy : I looks like over lap lines in ATL-BWI,PHX,LAS,HOU,LAX* BWI-MCO,SEA* . MKE-LAS,PHX are being replaced with WN metal. *But LAX and SEA are the first 2
38 jamake1 : I have to say that I love Southwest. I just flew them this past weekend. I checked in 24 hours prior to departure and got "A" boarding priority. Secon
39 Post contains links atrude777 : What dates? I went to look and only see the usual WN flights that still exist? Using www.southwest.com, but does the Employee website show the change
40 jamake1 : 1. Southwest doesn't charge bag fees. 2. Southwest offers a friendly travel experience. 3. Southwest brings down the fare price point when they enter
41 Post contains images SESGDL : Point number two is debatable and dependent entirely upon chance. The same can be said of Delta's flights in many instances. Point number three is no
42 boilerla : I think notorious means something sinister, but in this case, it's really not. The problem (or good thing, for the airlines) is that the flying public
43 Metrojet732 : In my mind, DL is probably grateful that WN is taken over FL. WN’s fares are closer to DL’s than FL’s ever were. I don’t understand why people
44 lightsaber : With small kids, the bag fees are killer. One won't have to worry about my kids being on the DL flight. (We would need 3 bags for four of us.) No dif
45 EA CO AS : Which become less and less of a competitive edge when your direct competition is flying ATL-LAX 9X daily, and the majority of those are flown with 76
46 klkla : I'm amazed this got it's own thread. Really it's just an added frequency for the combined company.
47 GizmoNC : Could this possibly be 737-800 equipment on this route. I think by June WN will have quite a few. A total of 33 are being added in 2012, 28 from Boein
48 tommytoyz : This kind of past business behavior, a quest for market share at all costs, has driven DL and others into BK. The focus for DL should be on being com
49 EA CO AS : Absolutely agreed, however part of being competitive also means it would be irresponsible for DL to allow a competitor to gain a toehold in an existi
50 dlflynhayn : As mentioned in the media WN/FL is last in bag perfomance so yeah bags fly free but will they get there?? Huh 3-4 737's massive?? compared to 9-10 fl
51 WNCrew : Good for DL??.... I'm not sure how to respond to that. I was simply agreeing with the poster that YES, WN doesn't offer the variety of "products" tha
52 delimit : It's not surprising. It's been theorized that WN is making lemonade out of not charging fees their IT infrastructure can't handle applying.
53 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Well, if that doesn't scream "We don't want you!" to your average customer..... Perhaps. I can't help but think, though, that some of those "low yiel
54 laca773 : When will FL flights be transferred from LAX T3 to T1? I don't see WN flying from both terminals, when they combine routes like ATL-LAX-ATL and etc..
55 jetlanta : Actually, it is a competitive DISADVANTAGE for WN. For the 12 months ended September 2011, Delta had a domestic system Load Factor of 84.46%. Southwe
56 EA CO AS : No response is necessary. I was simply stating that WN's fares really won't be much of a competitive advantage in the ATL-LAX market, that's all. I'd
57 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Lemme see, with FL's low costs, ancillary fees, first class, a few amenities, and large hub in ATL they were able to maintain 4 daily ATLLAX flights.
58 mayor : I would hardly call FOUR flights a day, "massive", would you? No more than any of the other legacys, I would imagine. The statement was that DL was n
59 QANTAS747-438 : Nothing yet. No -800 routes have been announced. Just checked the LAX-ATL a/c and they're all -700s. This is a frustrating topic. WN has been trying
60 Post contains images peanuts : This thread is trying really hard to be like spaghetti thrown against the wall...(WN being the spaghetti, DL being the wall in this case). Well, it ai
61 PI767 : And yet.... Southwest's current system can handle fees for (1) Excess baggge, (2) Oversized bagage, (3) Overweight baggage, (4) Unaccompanied minors,
62 Post contains images Atlwest1 : Most major and medium scale companies contracts are with airlines that offer a far vaster network then WN/FL combined will have. Atl is there main an
63 Post contains images mayor : Actually, the article I read said that WN was next to last, when combined with FL.......AA was at the bottom. Apparently, while the WN crew is busy t
64 Post contains images ocracoke : That's good to know. I'm liking WN already! I'm getting ready to fly on a trip tomorrow with 17 bags, all weighing 95 pounds a piece. Think of all th
65 Usflyguy : If only the baggage numbers were based upon the number of bags checked and not per 1,000 passengers; I'm pretty sure the numbers would be much differ
66 SurfandSnow : Is anyone else surprised that WN keeps adding distant Western markets from ATL, as oppose to its ever-popular Florida markets (MCO, TPA, FLL) and near
67 ADent : UA flies 2 RJ's a day DEN-ATL. They do have 2 mainline ORD-ATL, but none IAD-ATL (but many RJs to both of those). CR7's don't have the range for ATL-
68 Flytravel : FL isn't that strong on the west. WN just added 1x to the largest west market. OTOH, FL has more of a following in the east (esp. on North to south ro
69 MaverickM11 : I don't think it can afford to...the local market is stimulated by FL's (no longer) low costs, and the flow traffic is not going to cover costs
70 Cubsrule : More than US owns CLT or DL owns MSP? How do you figure?
71 georgiaame : No cancellation penalties. No luggage charges. A number of reasons. Competition is a good thing, just as FL proved coming into Atlanta. It keeps Delt
72 swacle : FL is actually top in bag performance for October (most recent numbers available) with 1.36 per 1000 passengers, with WN coming at #11 with 3.25 per
73 Post contains images TOMMY767 : 2 and 4 you can easily get with Delta. Your points are nothing new. As if 16 daily 767 and 777 on a route like ATL-LAX isn't 'convenient' in terms of
74 tommytoyz : Competitors are always gaining toeholds in markets. This can never be stopped as we live in a free country with free markets. That seems like a Crand
75 STT757 : It's not just what my wife brings on vacation, it's what she brings back. She, like most Women, likes to shop (for herself, nieces, Sisters etc..). S
76 Post contains links mayor : This ranking is for ALL of last year, not just October.
77 ScottB : Absolutely. They can fly Southwest! Not if you're talking about ATL gate agents. I think DL takes the rejects from Burger King or the Georgia Departm
78 MaverickM11 : Right, that's the only upside I really see in this route, in fact that's the only upside for the entire merger. WN is strong in many of FL's spokes,
79 Gr8SlvrFlt : Almost all of AirTran's routes will be converting over to Southwest over the next couple years. What's the big deal?
80 TOMMY767 : Everytime I'm in ATL they are very sweet and helpful. DL at ATL won me over AA at DFW. Those gate agents are useless. I don't think you can get any w
81 EA CO AS : ATL-LAX market share will increase...because WN has a high share in HOU-LAX? That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. What will WN be doi
82 ScottB : With a large WN presence at both ends, the ATL-LAX market will have similar dynamics to the HOU/IAH-LAX market. WN will be able to cause market share
83 EA CO AS : You're forgetting that DL has a pretty large presence at LAX as well, not to mention their huge nationwide FF plan loyalty as well, coupled with corp
84 MSPNWA : And that's the whole point of the matter. Scott simply said "some" shift. How much will remain to be seen.
85 wnflyguy : Talking to a CSA friend today that's opening ATL said that the first WN gates will be C22,C20 and C16. The rumor is WN moving to gates C14 and C15 in
86 ScottB : I would expect to see significant shift (defining that as 10% or greater market share) in ATL-PHX to WN (from both DL & US, but not much in ATL-L
87 Post contains images EA CO AS : Sorry, I know I probably sound like a curmudgeon, but to me WN using what were once EA gates in ATL is a sacrilege. I think that's a pretty aggressiv
88 GSPSPOT : YOU, sir, are a very lucky man! DL gate agents at ATL are notorious! FAs on the flights are hit-or-miss, but the original DL cabin crews seem to prov
89 Post contains images peanuts : Take note: here's that word again notorious. "DELTA, Keep Climbing...Notoriously"
90 luckyone : Perhaps you could help me understand something I've asked each time I've read a post pertaining to gate agents' friendliness: how often does one actu
91 GSPSPOT : All I know is, my partner flies DL FREQUENLY (he's a DM) and of course almost always thru ATL. He's come across just about every eventuality that a f
92 Post contains links atrude777 : Not surprised, as mentioned WN needs to grow the west market first to compliment the weak service FL has out west. Also, if you notice, WN has not to
93 GSPSPOT : Because FL is more of a "hometown" airline (much as EA was-but not completely) than WN. That matters to many people.
94 WNCrew : "demanding" How so? No offense but anyone who is DEMANDING doesn't make me WANT to go out of my way to help them any more than I have to.
95 EA CO AS : Oh don't get me wrong, it was just as much a sacrilege to me back then as well!
96 luckyone : Without attacking his partner, it's also been my experience that people who never have positive things to say about a certain topic never will, becau
97 Post contains images Sevensixtyseven : Oh my gosh...WN's going to be completely at a disadvantage...not really. Let me see...a new market on WN metal...137 passengers each way. Let's say y
98 toltommy : Just curious, isn't WN allowing their AirTran subsidiary to charge bag fees on the other 3 LAX-ATL flights? It appears WN luvs bag fees as long as th
99 WNCrew : Oh no need to worry, you're like the 30th person on A.net to "call out" WN. OR you have th either crowd who says "shame on WN, they're missing out on
100 mayor : Guess you didn't get the memo about the upgrading of the fleet, which, I believe, is supposed to be completed in 2013 or 2014......I know it calls fo
101 EA CO AS : Settle down, I never said they'd be at a disadvantage; I was simply pointing out that WN's fares won't be what wins market share for them.
102 Sevensixtyseven : Oops. I guess that post made me more dramatic than I meant for it to be, which it wasn't meant to be. Sorry 'bout that.
103 ScottB : Network carriers would have one believe it's an apples-to-apples comparison, as they market contract carrier service as their own and claim a seamles
104 b757capt : +1 I guess any FL WN movement will inspire a new thread.
105 delimit : Well, scrappy underdog WN is taking on evil fee-charging Delta on one a high profile route. Of course it deserves a thread.
106 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : I'm willing to go out on a limb and figure what type of elite your partner is. I'm not a gate agent. I don't even work in ACS but I travel positive s
107 DLX737200 : You hit the nail on the head. As a former gate agent, most elites knew better than to do these things, especially gold and above. It was the silvers
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