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User currently offlinehiloboy1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 82 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15649 times:

A counter move by Hawaiian to fend off the interlopers?

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...eaking/137209248.html?id=137209248

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User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15544 times:

Maui News had more information:
http://mauinews.com/page/content.det...ghts--ease-connections.html?nav=10

Here are the OGG specific changes:
OGG-LAS (re-timed for connections to from KOA/ITO)
OGG-LAX (Daily 6/21/12 thru 8/18/12)
OGG-LIH (increase from 1x to 2x daily)
OGG-ITO (increase from 1x to 2x daily)
OGG-KOA (increase from 2x to 3x daily)

Quote:
On June 21, Hawaiian will reintroduce a daily direct flight to Los Angeles, the fifth West Coast city to get a direct link. That flight will operate through Aug. 18.

It will depart LAX at 9:40 a.m., arriving at Kahului at 12:15 p.m. The return will depart at 1:45 p.m. and arrive in Los Angeles at 10:05 p.m.

Quote:
Details of the changes in the Las Vegas flight will be announced shortly, but the twice-weekly flight will switch from an evening to a morning arrival here. This should allow Big Island residents to make connections to the new Kahului-Kona or Kahului-Hilo schedules.


The addition of 3 717s allows for increased interisland operations, particularly from HNL at peak times and direct flights to OGG from LIH/KOA/ITO:

Quote:
Hawaiian is in the process of increasing its Neighbor Island service to 180 flights daily from 157 flights on peak travel days, and to 168 flights from 143 flights on off-peak days.

Daily service to Maui will increase to 36 round-trip flights from 29 round-trip flights on peak travel days and to 34 round-trip flights from 27 round-trip flights on off-peak travel days.


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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15404 times:

Interesting...

The inter-island increases should really help with connectivity to the mainland since it was directional before. HA does really well from a yield perspective on OGG-KOA/ITO, so no surprise here. OGG-LAX and LAS are both very safe additions as well. Seems like HA is putting its toe in the water in OGG and will be curious to see if LIH and KOA ever get some love from the mainland!



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13535 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15241 times:
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Interesting. This explains where the new three 717s are going.  
Quoting aloha73g (Reply 1):
OGG-LIH (increase from 1x to 2x daily)
OGG-ITO (increase from 1x to 2x daily)
OGG-KOA (increase from 2x to 3x daily)

In my opinion, the big news is the increased "HNL Bypass" service. That is a product offering that will be tough to compete with. I'm excited about the new LAX service, however I think the new interisland service will do more to strengthen HA's position.

I'm surprised LAX and not SFO. Does anyone have any information?

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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13751 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15109 times:
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Quoting Tdan (Reply 2):
curious to see if LIH and KOA ever get some love from the mainland!

We give 'em plenty of love!

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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14958 times:
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I already saw OGG as an alternative to HNL and sort of hub for HA for a while now. Sure, the connections to the neighbor islands are not really there right now, but when I look to fly to the mainland, the OGG flights always come up with the corresponding interisland connections. I even flew HNL-OGG-LAS because I wanted a morning departure to LAS and who would pass up a chance to fly a 717?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
I'm surprised LAX and not SFO. Does anyone have any information?

For whatever reason (UA), HA has never done well when they fly more than 1 SFO flight. They have tried SFO-OGG and 2 SFO-HNL flights before, but these flights never did well.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14771 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):
Quoting Tdan (Reply 2):
curious to see if LIH and KOA ever get some love from the mainland!

We give 'em plenty of love!

Signed,
Alaska Airlines.

Cute.

HA did LAX-KOA at one time IIRC. HA would have difficulty doing LIH-Mainland due to LIH's runway length.


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3877 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14673 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 5):
For whatever reason (UA), HA has never done well when they fly more than 1 SFO flight

Have they considered flying KOA-SFO/SJC? My personal observation is that the Kohala coast is swarming with people from the bay area. I realize UA already offers 2x daily service, and AS flies from OAK, so maybe there might not be more room for another competitor.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 2):
HA does really well from a yield perspective on OGG-KOA

I would think that OGG-KOA is almost entirely tourist traffic, based on personal observation.


User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14664 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
HA would have difficulty doing LIH-Mainland due to LIH's runway length.

I don't see why. AA frequently sends 767s to LIH and UA has done so in the past. It's only 500' less than OGG, and OGG can send a 777 to ORD.

That said, I don't expect any mainland routes outside of OGG/HNL. AS are serving KOA and LIH best, and HA are prioritizing international expansion, there's no need or great opportunity.

[Edited 2012-01-12 17:12:36]


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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 741 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14619 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
I'm surprised LAX and not SFO. Does anyone have any information?

I'm sure it's because UA has the SFO-Hawaii market pretty well locked up. There's more competition/airline diversity in the LAX-Hawaii corridor.

I'm not curious enough to look it up to confirm, but I would also bet the O&D between LA and Hawaii is greater than SF-Hawaii.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14587 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 7):
Have they considered flying KOA-SFO/SJC? My personal observation is that the Kohala coast is swarming with people from the bay area. I realize UA already offers 2x daily service, and AS flies from OAK, so maybe there might not be more room for another competitor.

AS also does SJC-KOA.


User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14503 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
In my opinion, the big news is the increased "HNL Bypass" service. That is a product offering that will be tough to compete with

I agree, this is nice to bypass HNL when you are "island hopping". Looking for flights for my honeymoon as I'll be visiting Kauai, Maui, and The Big Island. Right now my only options for LIH-OGG are 1x HA, 2x WP, and (shudder) 1x YV.


User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14121 times:
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Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 8):
AA frequently sends 767s to LIH and UA has done so in the past. It's only 500' less than OGG, and OGG can send a 777 to ORD.

AA doesn't send 767s to LIH, only 757s. I recall whenever UA used a 767 to LIH, it would stop over in HNL for more fuel. UA never flew OGG-ORD non-stop with the 777. It stopped over in KOA. The runway at OGG is not strong enough to allow the 777 to take off with enough fuel to fly OGG-ORD non-stop.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2572 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14013 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 12):
AA doesn't send 767s to LIH, only 757s. I recall whenever UA used a 767 to LIH, it would stop over in HNL for more fuel. UA never flew OGG-ORD non-stop with the 777. It stopped over in KOA. The runway at OGG is not strong enough to allow the 777 to take off with enough fuel to fly OGG-ORD non-stop.

All correct, except that the problem with OGG is that the runway isn't long enough, not that it can't support the weight. It's 7000 feet long, and although it's enough to get a 767 or 777 to the west coast, any further and you have to start offloading people or cargo. I know AA uses a 763 to fly OGG - DFW nonstop, but in talking to the crews here in Maui (we share the same crew hotel), it's always close to max performance to get out of OGG, and they often have to block off seats to reduce the load. If the Kona winds are blowing and they have to use runway 20 (uphill), there's a good chance they can't do it without a stop in HNL or LAX.

Since LIH is even shorter than OGG, the same applies, but even more so. That 500 foot reduction makes a huge difference in allowable performance numbers for aircraft that are already right on the edge of making it out of shorter runways, like the 763. The 757 is overpowered, relative to the 767, so that is what allows it to come & go from LIH when its bigger brother can't.

HAL



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13979 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 12):

AA doesn't send 767s to LIH, only 757s. I recall whenever UA used a 767 to LIH, it would stop over in HNL for more fuel. UA never flew OGG-ORD non-stop with the 777. It stopped over in KOA. The runway at OGG is not strong enough to allow the 777 to take off with enough fuel to fly OGG-ORD non-stop.

They do send 767s to LIH. Not scheduled, but as a very, very frequent equipment swap. I've seen it as often has 3 or even 4 times a week in the past. Both 767-200s and 767-300s. United operated scheduled 767 service during the summer in the past, so I find it highly unlikely they would make an equipment swap only to necessitate the need for a HNL stop.

You're flat wrong about OGG, though I was surprised too. Yes, it only used to be ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD on UA 3 (i've flown the OGG-KOA segment 3 times). Now the stopover operates weekly during the winter. During the summer, for the past few years, UA has flown ORD-OGG-ORD daily, no KOA stop. In the past, AA has also flown OGG-ORD with the 763.

Here's some very awesome evidence of it. : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwUEtPSsm5k



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1485 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13960 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 12):
AA doesn't send 767s to LIH, only 757s.

I took an AA 762 into LIH 4 yrs ago as a last minute sub for a 757 out of LAX. It wasn't anywhere near full, not was the return (possibly why it worked out just fine to use the 767?) I just remember that not all the FA's were 76 qualified so we had to wait for some who were, and then the plane had been catered for a JFK flight with Flagship service so the food onboard was amazing and with only 4 of us up front it was great!



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13918 times:

Yep, WNCrew. They've been doing a lot of that lately. Particularly in Nov/Dec. Of course a 767 will not be full as an equip swap, as it has 35 more seats than the 757. On the other hand, the 762 has less. AA could easily put an equip swap on a KOA or HNL flight instead. But they usually choose do it on LIH. And return to LAX nonstop.


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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13792 times:

Also, United flew 763s from SFO during the Christmas season a few weeks ago. Clearly the purpose of this was to have more seats at this peak time, not to have a weight restriction. The aircraft operated LIH-SFO non-stop.

Quoting HAL (Reply 13):
All correct, except that the problem with OGG is that the runway isn't long enough, not that it can't support the weight.

No, not correct. UA does fly 777 on Maui-Chicago. All summer long.

On occasion, both AA and UA send 767s to LIH. They send them back to the California non-stop.

[Edited 2012-01-12 20:23:49]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13674 times:

Wow that's a really terrible idea. Do they *really* mean "hub" or just more flights to Maui?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
In my opinion, the big news is the increased "HNL Bypass" service. That is a product offering that will be tough to compete with

Why would anyone try? There's so little meaningful traffic connecting over Hawaii--why bother splitting hairs over more than one hub?



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User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13641 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):

And hopefully soon to be WN. I wish they could maybe introduce some form of interisland service also, have WN fly OAK-KOA-LIH-OAK, or something similar. This would allow them to get into the smaller islands at the same time as other islands all at the same time. Another jet could be routed OAK-LIH-KOA-OAK. Of course, I'm no route planner...but I'd imagine KOA-LIH could easily be done interisland, because it is 263 miles long...enough warmup and cooldown time, then a turn back to the Mainland.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 2):

Would be nice to see a PHX-OGG flight...I've heard on a.net multiple times that there's a real need for more seats to PHX, as HA 35/36 is full all the time. And maybe an upgrade to an A332 on PHX-HNL



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1076 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13628 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 17):
No, not correct. UA does fly 777 on Maui-Chicago. All summer long.

They do nonstop ORD-OGG on the 777, but doesn't the return leg route OGG-KOA-ORD?



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 20):

They do nonstop ORD-OGG on the 777, but doesn't the return leg route OGG-KOA-ORD?

Always in the past, and sometimes in the present. It always used to be that way. It still is during this time of year, once weekly. But for the past few years during the summer, they've flown ORD-OGG-ORD daily. I know it's not very intuitive and I didn't believe it at first. But they do.



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User currently offlinecmb320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 415 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13429 times:

Yep, it is very common for AA to send a 767 to LIH when the 757 craps out... as the ones they use to Hawaii frequently do.

User currently offlineBeachBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13235 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Why would anyone try? There's so little meaningful traffic connecting over Hawaii--why bother splitting hairs over more than one hub?

Try booking an interisland ticket between 10 am and 2 pm and then you'll understand.

I grew up in OGG and this reminds me of the 1980s when AQ and HA had multiple flights per day between OGG and KOA, ITO, and LIH. I never expected this, but it actually makes a lot of sense. O&D from the mainland to OGG is much smaller than to HNL so it makes sense to try to fill the planes to OGG with connecting traffic rather than to HNL where O&D traffic alone could fill the plane. I think connecting times could probably be less and is much more convenient in OGG than in HNL. Despite being small, OGG has decent food options and plane spotting opportunities. It also allows for more interisland capacity for connecting international pax.

Hopefully this will be successful so additional flights to OGG can be started/restarted like PDX, SFO, SAN, JFK, and NRT/HND if the County of Maui realizes that overdevelopment does not result from a longer runway and international airport, but that's a discussion for another time . . . As a side note, there was an article in the Maui News a couple weeks ago detailing the dilemma the State of Hawaii is in regarding the main runway 2. Evidently it needs to be completely reconstructed because it's 70 yrs old and is requiring frequent temporary fixes and the federal government is now refusing to pay for anymore temporary fixes. In order to reconstruct it, it needs to be completely shut down and the alternate runway 5 is not suitable for mainland flights. It'll be interesting to see how it gets resolved.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12986 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 19):
Would be nice to see a PHX-OGG flight...I've heard on a.net multiple times that there's a real need for more seats to PHX, as HA 35/36 is full all the time. And maybe an upgrade to an A332 on PHX-HNL?

YES!!!! i recently took that flight on a VERY old US 757 in First, and let me tell you, something needs to be done.... and the flight was full!!! Bring on HA's A332!!



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25 Sevensixtyseven : I found it interesting that SFO got the A332 first, and not PHX. Although it very well could be a gate thing. The gate they use at PHX isn't big enou
26 Post contains images SurfandSnow : The idea of an OGG "hub" is an interesting one indeed. On one hand, I see good reason for it. There are increasingly more tourists that vehemently avo
27 HAL : I've wondered about this too, since I've been flying many SEA-OGG flights over the past decade. With only one viable runway for airline use, and that
28 Sevensixtyseven : I would think that 5/23 could be used by all interisland flights, but I'm not sure what condition that runway is in..I'm sure it would work only as a
29 AAIL86 : This is great news for HA. Glad to see them continue to grow. I flew LIH-LAX on an AA 762 in 2007 (equipment swap).
30 cruiseshipcrew : Nice to see HA adding flights. I personally would rather connect in HNL anyday. It's such a interesting airport and great for exploring, eating etc wh
31 LMP737 : They used to fly the 763 on the ORD-OGG route. In fact Oprah chartered a 763 to fly her employees to OGG a number of years ago.
32 aloha73g : It's not really a "hub" in the true sense of the word, atleast how we usually think of a hub (DL @ ATL or AA @ DFW). It's really more of a very tiny
33 Ford3motor : UA occasionally uses a 767 on their LIH-DEN non-stop during peak periods. Both the KOA-DEN and LIH-DEN weekend non-stops are mostly 757s but sometimes
34 Post contains images lightsaber : I do not expect more mainland routes with widebodies. I expect the 737MAX and A320NEO to open the smaller Hawaiian cities to direct flights. Since th
35 United_fan : I know UA did use a 763 from the mainland after 9-11 AFAIR. LIH's main limiting factor is its short runway.
36 ikramerica : This is why the XXX-OGG-KOA-XXX triangle routes exist(ed).
37 olddominion727 : No offense seriously but I would refrain from using the word 'hub' unless it's HA's jargon. With flights SJC/OAK-OGG 3x's a week each, no OGG service
38 Post contains images Tdan : This explanation makes the most sense and is likely the only one that is sustainable. Relieve the HNL 1100 to 1500 interisland flights and continue t
39 United_fan : Where are these 'new' 717's coming from ? MX ?
40 aztrainer : Agree, but I doubt it. I have been stating that 35/36 is booked close to seven months out and needs another daily to Hawai'i. HA seems to want to bol
41 jpetekyxmd80 : I'm really not sure what additions from the mainland would come with it. Likely none. The big one is there would surely be a Japan flight or two if t
42 CV880 : That's precisely why the runway has not been extended.....the environmentalists are afraid of the foreign pests(plants, bugs and tourists). The runwa
43 RWA380 : It works for AS in PDX & SEA.
44 koruman : The only solution I can think of is to stop mainland flights and close Kahului's main runway for a couple of months, and limit OGG to inter-island fl
45 jpetekyxmd80 : And its 3000 foot runway...
46 Post contains images CV880 : Not on a 3000ft runway....maybe on 5/23 at OGG with reduced weight. Could probably extend 2/20 at OGG in a matter of weeks, seeing as how JFK rebuilt
47 jpetekyxmd80 : If it's necessary for the runway to replaced, the only thing preventing a parallel runway to the east are some unremarkable hangars. I think some of y
48 Bluewave 707 : @koruman: JHM's runway is 3000x1000 feet, and there are only 2 gates.
49 jpetekyxmd80 : And if you thought getting things done at OGG were difficult, try JHM.
50 Post contains links BeachBoy : Here is the article I was talking about: http://www.mauinews.com/page/content...runway-in-need-of-an-overhaul.html I guess they're planning on it bei
51 CV880 : Except that I think that the EIS was for extension of the present runway, so that study would probably have to be redone for a parallel strip, plus t
52 N1120A : I never get why HA doesn't make OGG-LAX work better for them. Huge market.
53 sxf24 : Yes. But lots of competition.
54 MaverickM11 : I'm not sure it does, since PDX has been flat in capacity for decades, whereas SEA has almost doubled, but it's a similar situation in that there's n
55 RWA380 : AS is the largest carrier at both PDX & SEA, As HA is in HNL & OGG. Both PDX & SEA have seen capacity increases, yes SEA far more, it's A
56 MaverickM11 : Total AS capacity is up very little, even since the 90s. I've never seen this done successfully, particularly versus a consolidated, single hub. Besi
57 Bluewave 707 : Having Rwy 5/23 lengthened & reinforced for inter-island traffic may help ease traffic in & out of OGG. Departures from 5 would require an imm
58 SurfandSnow : Huge market, yes. But a few things to consider. 1) Just about everyone is at the LAX point of sale. Well-established competitors UA, AA, and DL all b
59 RWA380 : This is a bit of a skewed statistic, departures and arrivals have decreased in PDX due to the Q200's leaving, the CRJ flying going to OO, and the red
60 MaverickM11 : I'm talking about ASMs, which is a more consistent a measure than departures or seats I'm seeing a lot of "drop"--I think you've pretty much made my
61 RWA380 : Hardly, I can with great certainty state I think AS is far more committed to PDX than DL to CVG.
62 AirNovaBAe146 : AS: SEA/PDX AC: YYZ/YUL US: PHL/DCA AA: JFK/LGA If they keep this hub the way they intend it for OGG, as a way for the outer-islanders to connect to
63 RWA380 : Thank You!
64 MaverickM11 : That's a pretty low bar. PDX has always served the top ODs, with just about every attempt at expansion being reduced back to their steady state. Ther
65 Tdan : About the only place that I've seen this work is LH at FRA and MUC. Both are huge O&D centers and even though MUC acts as more of a reliever for F
66 RWA380 : I think AS has announced some services from PDX, with the purpose that PDX would be used as an alternative to connecting in SEA. BZM, BLI, SBA AS 112
67 Post contains links BeachBoy : Here is another update to the OGG runway dilemma: http://www.mauinews.com/page/content...land-flights-for-weeks.html?nav=10 If they go with option 1 o
68 Bluewave 707 : In a perfect world, both Runways 2/20 and 5/23 would each be extended 2,000 feet, and run LAHSO ops. If Rwy 2/20 were extended to 10,000 feet, I would
69 HAL : I thought the Westjet and Air Canada flights were all pre-cleared before coming to OGG. Where would the passengers go to clear customs in OGG? They u
70 RWA380 : I know JL wanted to do an OGG flight way back when, they even considered stopping in HNL to fuel up before heading to NRT, and FIS was not available t
71 Tomassjc : I believe the JL/JO flights always operated NRT-KOA-HNL-NRT because of performance issues at KOA, so they must of had an FIS at KOA. Tom SJC
72 ha763 : The arrival airport still needs CBP staff available even though the departure airport is a pre-clearance airport just in case the pax need to be re-c
73 HAL : I understand. There had to be CBP personnel there because of the international arrivals, but there's no way any airline could do a full customs arriv
74 koruman : One of the three options being discussed for the OGG runway involves lengthening the main runway from 6995 feet to 9000 feet. At that point, a number
75 us330 : I presume you mean pax connecting from JAL flights from other japanese cities (akin to how Qantas operates their LAX-JFK tag on)?
76 ha763 : Nope, just HNL-NRT pax. Most of the pax on the return flight ended up originating in HNL.
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