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The Possibility Of TG Starting TLV?  
User currently offlinestaralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Thailand is a very popular tourist destination for Israelis. Currently, LY is the one who has a nonstop from TLV-BKK and code shares with TG. LY cannot fly over their neighboring countries so the flight takes longer. Do you think that TG would consider starting service to TLV? KE is the only Asian airline that flies to TLV. If so, can TG fly over Israel's neighboring countries since it is a Thai airline?


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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Quoting staralliance85 (Thread starter):
Thailand is a very popular tourist destination for Israelis. Currently, LY is the one who has a nonstop from TLV-BKK and code shares with TG. LY cannot fly over their neighboring countries so the flight takes longer. Do you think that TG would consider starting service to TLV? KE is the only Asian airline that flies to TLV. If so, can TG fly over Israel's neighboring countries since it is a Thai airline?

s far as I know due to the fact that the flight's origin / departure are Israel it's not possible. That's probably the reaon why we don't see any other Asian airlines in TLV so far. I wonder how the yields are for KE anyone heard something?


User currently offlinelawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

There was some discussion about this not too long ago:

Could SQ/TG/CX/CA Be Profitable On A TLV Route? (by LHLX Nov 30 2011 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

I think a big part of why KE flies to Israel is that a route avoiding Arab countries is not much of a detour for them:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=icn-tlv%0D%0Aicn-ada-tlv&MS=wls&DU=mi



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Unfortunately politics makes such an arrangement utterly impossible. This topic can only be addressed by explaining why, and I'll endeavour to do so in the least biased way I can.

It may be difficult for those of us in western countries to comprehend, but in most of southeast Asia Israel (the government, not the people) is viewed as a pariah state.

Korean may be able to fly to Israel, but they are located in a totally different neighbourhood, in East Asia, where Israeli politics is much less of an issue.

Thailand is in a difficult bind. The Thai people are pretty indifferent to Arab-Israeli issues, so there is no problem with inbound visitors from Israel just as there is no problem with Jewish visitors from the UK and France and Australia.

But Thailand is a leading member of the Association of South East Asian Nations, and two of its main partners in that body are Indonesia and Malaysia, which have large Moslem populations. As a result, there is much greater interest in the Arab-Israeli issue, and enormous public hostility to any engagement with Israel as a nation. ASEAN has long-standing position statements - which Thailand is a signatory to - which basically hold Israel responsible for the conflict.

Thailand has semi-covert security links with Israel, which have to be sensitively managed within the context of its position in ASEAN. But a high-profile action such as Thai opening a route to Israel would cause enormous difficulties for any Thai government, particularly as Ben Gurion International Airport was the former RAF Lydda, which was built in an Arab village, from which the population was partially expelled after Israel captured it in 1948, and replaced with Jewish residents, who now outnumber Arab residents by a ratio of three to one.

This is ancient history, of course, and similar population transfers were going on at the same time in half of post-war Europe, with widespread ethnic cleansing across central and eastern Europe. But the events I outlined above can be presented in far more emotive or critical terms to favour either side in the conflict, and undoubtedly would be if an ASEAN flag carrier started scheduled services to Israel.

So I would be surprised if Thai opened a Tel Aviv service, even though I'm sure there would be a decent market for it.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8047 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Sensitive and informative post there Koruman, thank you very much.

As an aside, I have done some flying in the past few weeks with Thai, 747 to Haneda, A300 to Krabi, and 777-300 to Dhaka coming up; I have always admired their gorgeous liveries (past and present) and I have had a chance to finally fly the airline...wow, fantastic operation, service, food, hub, fleet. They would be a great addition to TLV or anywhere else.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24800 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
I have always admired their gorgeous liveries (past and present) and I have had a chance to finally fly the airline...wow, fantastic operation, service, food, hub, fleet.

And badly-managed and seriously unprofitable for almost their entire existence. Just look at their fleet planning over the years--a few of almost everything under the sun. Every time the government changes in Thailand (a rather frequent occurrence over the years), the TG CEO and other senior management also usually changes, which doesn't help.


User currently offlineLawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
seriously unprofitable for almost their entire existence

I don't think this is true. According to TG, they've been profitable every year of existence except 2008...and they are publicly traded on the Stock Exchange of Thailand so their financial statements are readily available online. http://thai.listedcompany.com/financials.html . I suppose we could debate whether "other income" or such other revenues listed are actually government subsidies, but I don't get the impression that they are.

But yes, government politics has, and continues, to play a significant role in the management of TG, often to its detriment. (See, e.g., the domestic route transfer problems.) At this point however, at least the CEO still remains for now, despite a changeover in government that took place following the July 2011 elections. (The transport minister, or whoever has influence over TG's board, is reserving judgment at this point.)


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