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Philippine Airlines: We Will Fly To NYC Soon!  
User currently offlinejasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15267 times:

It's official. PAL announced on Facebook two hours ago that it will start serving MNL-NYC.


... Philippine Airlines flies you to New York! Soon!


No details in their website as to when this will start but I assume this will happen as soon as FAA upgrades the Philippines status.


I am thinking this will be a Manila-YVR/SAN/ORD-New York service.
Or can a B777-300ER do a nonstop flight NYC-MNL?


Or is this is gonna be a codeshare flight with either AA or UA and not an actual PR metal flight.

[Edited 2012-01-14 00:56:00]


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15265 times:

Tweeted by PAL as well.


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15212 times:

MNL-JFK is too far for a 77W. I reckon it will be via NRT/ICN or YVR somewhere like that myself. Unlikely to be via USA port IMO.

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15195 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 2):
MNL-JFK is too far for a 77W.

Is it much different to HKG-JFK which CX already fly with 77W?



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15109 times:

If they are smart, they would fly it via YVR with 5th freedom rights. It may be to their benefit, if they instead did MNL-YVR-EWR instead of JFK. They have 5th freedom rights between YVR-LAS so I dont think so it will be an issue getting the same for YVR-NYC.

JFK is too overcrowded with Asian airlines where as EWR deserves more coverage and PAL has the right O&D market + onward connecting points to warrant high loads year round but not at good yields though.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1912 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15102 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 2):
MNL-JFK is too far for a 77W.

MNL-JFK is 8520mi

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
Is it much different to HKG-JFK which CX already fly with 77W?

HKG-JFK is 8072mi

Quoting jasp25 (Thread starter):
It's official. PAL announced on Facebook two hours ago that it will start serving MNL-NYC.

Oops, I assumed they already did   



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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1238 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14867 times:

Oh THANK goodness! I've been whining about a lack of East Coast - MNL for a few years. And even though an a/c cant make it N/S a tag will be just fine. My Wife is gonna be ecstatic when I tell her.

User currently offlineairlineaddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14772 times:
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Codeshare with EK via DXB. Ha ha!
  

Seriously though, I think PR's entitlements via YVR are limited if they plan to continue LAS and add SAN via YVR. The interesting question is if they use ICN as a tech stop only westbound with the return flight nonstop given the winds.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2950 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14734 times:
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Perfect way for PAL to loose buckets of money !

User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14730 times:

Finally! People have actually been waiting for this, and it's good that they're coming back to New York City. 

I wonder though which airport they're bound to use: when PR last served New York City, they used EWR. But rumors were going around back home that they're going to use JFK this time around. Hmmm...

And of course, this all goes back to how well the Philippines will do in the upcoming FAA audit, scheduled for this month.

[Edited 2012-01-14 04:42:25]

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4672 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14683 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 2):

MNL-JFK is too far for a 77W.

Maybe they will purchase a B77L for that purpose?  .


User currently offlineVHHYI From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14640 times:

Is anyone able to confirm when the rest of their B77W will be coming? They probably need it to launch this one, I guess.


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14570 times:

Quoting VHHYI (Reply 11):
Is anyone able to confirm when the rest of their B77W will be coming? They probably need it to launch this one, I guess.

Two more are arriving this year, and I presume the last two are arriving either in 2013 or 2014, depending on how the FAA audit goes. PR also intends to embark on another refleeting program after rumors came true that San Miguel Corporation plans to invest in PAL Holdings (the mother company).


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3354 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14537 times:

"JFK is too overcrowded with Asian airlines where as EWR deserves more coverage and PAL has the right O&D market + onward connecting points to warrant high loads year round but not at good yields though."


There is a reason for that. The airlines are making a smart business decision being at JFK.

One of the Asian airlines ( I think Eva) recently switched to JFK, CX will pick up the EWR slot to supplement their JFK service.

The huge Asian population is Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Philipine, is all in Queens and Brooklyn. NJ just doesn't have the scope or depth of these populations.

Furthermore, in the last 20 years, these population have boomed. And they are not poor immigrant populations. They are moving into affluent areas in Queens (Bayside, Douglaston, Little Neck) and buying houses in excess of $1 million (not that that's excessive in NYC) but you get the point.

If your an Asian airline, you really belong at JFK unless you are supplementing already existing service


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17278 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14231 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 8):
Perfect way for PAL to loose buckets of money !

   NYCMNL is almost 2000mi longer than NRT yet it's consistently cheaper than NYCNRT, and there's next to no business demand between NYC and MNL. Bring it on!



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3078 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14161 times:

Doesn't PAL use GUM as their westbound fueling stop from SFO & LAX, due to it's close proximity to MNL? Wouldn't that be a good choice for their NYC service as well.

CX already flies YVR-JFK, and has good loads, if PAL comes in with a 777, there will be too many seats for either carrier to make any money.



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14160 times:
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Quoting Akiestar (Reply 9):
And of course, this all goes back to how well the Philippines will do in the upcoming FAA audit, scheduled for this month.




That's what I thought...perhaps this is all too good to be true! Finger crossed. We would love to see increased PR frequencies out of SFO!

Tom in SJC



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14150 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
The huge Asian population is Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Philipine, is all in Queens and Brooklyn. NJ just doesn't have the scope or depth of these populations.

Nonsense, the Asian carriers all have dedicated bus services to connect Northern New Jersey with JFK.

Previous Asian carriers at EWR:

Korean Air (left after 9/11)
Malaysian air
Philippine air
EVA

Obviously there is demand (otherwise they would not have launched their routes), the problem for the Asian carriers is CO/UA is too much competition. They do better at JFK because of the lack of competition from AA and DL.

CO is flying someone to Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Mumbai, Delhi. And according to some it's not NY's, because people from NY never use EWR, so obviously there is demand.



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User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14063 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
One of the Asian airlines ( I think Eva) recently switched to JFK, CX will pick up the EWR slot to supplement their JFK service.

Is this still happening?



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14004 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 15):
Doesn't PAL use GUM as their westbound fueling stop from SFO & LAX, due to it's close proximity to MNL? Wouldn't that be a good choice for their NYC service as well.

Was lucky enough to go nonstop the last 2 times SFO-MNL (May and October)

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 15):
CX already flies YVR-JFK, and has good loads, if PAL comes in with a 777, there will be too many seats for either carrier to make any money


I think PAL will have enough MNL-JFK traffic so they won't worry too much about local passengers between YVR to JFK!



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3078 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13927 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 19):
Was lucky enough to go nonstop the last 2 times SFO-MNL (May and October)

Good to hear, it depends on how many bilikbayan boxes there are I guess. Does PR still use the 744 on this route?

When I worked in downtown SF at a local owned travel agency, the MNL market was cut throat, sometimes making only 10 bucks on a ticket, but I found lots of my customers that went home to MNL frequently, would avoid PAL like the plauge, and preferred NW or CX even if they were more expensive. Wonder what a 20 hour flight to NYC would be like on PAL? Maybe the 777 will be nicer and more updated.



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User currently offlinejasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13907 times:

PAL again just announced that they will fly a lucky couple to New York "in an ultimate Valentine date".

Hint: sooner than we think??

I wonder how that will be possible using their own metal without FAA upgrade.

(I read somewhere that PAL was seeking a special compliance permit from FAA. Not sure if this has something to do with it.)



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13865 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 4):
If they are smart, they would fly it via YVR with 5th freedom rights.
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 2):
MNL-JFK is too far for a 77W. I reckon it will be via NRT/ICN or YVR somewhere like that myself. Unlikely to be via USA port IMO.
JFK-NRT-MNL,+JFK-MNL,+JFK-ICN-MNL,+JFK-YVR-MNL" target="_blank">http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=JFK-NRT...+JFK-MNL,+JFK-ICN-MNL,+JFK-YVR-MNL

From the link above, you can see that YVR (or any West Coast city) makes no geographical or geometrical sense. ICN is almost exactly on the great circle between MNL and JFK. ICN is the place to stop for fuel.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6077 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13859 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):

SFO/LAX are mainly 747's with the occasional A340 mixed in. Due to the FAA restrictions on them, they have not been allowed to add new flights and bring the 77W's in. But I believe there is some things in the works right now that will allow some changed. To add JFK, there must be something loosening up in the rules.



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13784 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):
Good to hear, it depends on how many bilikbayan boxes there are I guess. Does PR still use the 744 on this route?



Bruce, yes, and that includes the 4 balikbayan boxes we take! (My partner is from MNL). The ride on the upgraded 744s is not too bad. We've been lucky enough to score exit row seats. Since they sell them at a fee on check in now, they are usually the last to go and make good non-rev seats! I know the service on PAL is definitely not 5 star, but I find it much "warmer" and less "robotic" than other Asian carriers. Never had a complaint. Never been late. Always great to hear them say "Mabuhay" from the flight deck. But of course, when you non-rev, any seat is a good seat!

Tom in SJC



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25 RWA380 : Does anyone know for sure what is happening to allow PAL this new route and aircraft? Would we be seeing SFO & LAX going 777 if there indeed is a
26 Tomassjc : Just for the record the FAA category restrictions are for the country of the Philippines...not limited to PAL itself. I'm sure Cebu Pacific, and Air
27 Viscount724 : Geography isn't the only consideration. While routing via YVR is about 400 nm further than via ICN, you also have to consider the O&D demand to/f
28 Post contains links MaverickM11 : What was their schedule/routing when they flew to EWR? http://www.airliners.net/photo/Phili...d=efd679df86a79fd86b52c3b096c5172a
29 ordjoe : I am wondering how much prestige is taking into account. You still need business traffic to sustain this profitably, whether there is enough to get t
30 Post contains images LAXintl : Hey its great to dream, however PAL at the moment can't even change frequencies to the US, nor deploy its new 77W fleet due to FAA safety downgrade. U
31 Akiestar : Yes, and whether or not the route is non-stop both ways depends on the season. Summer flights normally fly non-stop both ways, while winter flights u
32 SANMAN66 : I was wondering the same thing, if this involves somehow getting around the FAA safety downgrade, or they're just being confidendent they will get th
33 PHLapproach : I haven't seen a single mention in this thread bringing up the fact that PAL was paying for a consulting agency to come into the Country and help the
34 SANMAN66 : I know the FAA will be there for the audit this month, but I was wondering how long will it take after the audit for the Philippines to regain CAT-I
35 The777Man : I think that if they pass, it wouldn't take that long time but flying there by Valentine's Day this year seem way too optimistic in my opinion. Looki
36 virgin747 : I'm one of those people. Theres the direct service to MNL from YVR with PAL.... However I prefer the one extra stop with CX in HKG.
37 beeweel15 : I worked at World Airways when they flew MNL-YVR-EWR for PAL and can say that the flight was heavy with pax for the EWR-YVR leg but EWR-MNL was light
38 Post contains images flyhigh@tom : PAL being confident that CAAP will pass FAA checks is pretty dicey! The way i see it, CAAP is still functioning the same way it was for the past few
39 Post contains links Akiestar : Apparently, PAL has tweeted that details will be released "next week", which probably means this week as the tweet was sent last Saturday. https://twi
40 RWA380 : You are not alone, many of my Philippino customers, and we had many, as the owner was Philippino and had connections to the community and lived in Da
41 CALPSAFltSkeds : If through pax make it full YVR-JFK, then it would be full MNL-YVR, so they would need just a tech stop - no customs, etc. A tech stop in Sapporo Jap
42 Akiestar : PR could actually use more Japanese destinations: the DOT has been focusing more on Northeast Asia in its tourism push. On local forums though, some
43 YVRSpeedBird : I would imagine that pax headed for other domestic destinations in the Philippines would prefer to take PR over CX/NW/KE/OZ/JL/etc, because of their b
44 Post contains links and images Akiestar : So apparently, we have all this hype...over a promo. And I thought they were really starting MNL-NYC! http://www.philippineairlines.com/sp...atest_off
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