behramjee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16030 times:
If they are smart, they would fly it via YVR with 5th freedom rights. It may be to their benefit, if they instead did MNL-YVR-EWR instead of JFK. They have 5th freedom rights between YVR-LAS so I dont think so it will be an issue getting the same for YVR-NYC.
JFK is too overcrowded with Asian airlines where as EWR deserves more coverage and PAL has the right O&D market + onward connecting points to warrant high loads year round but not at good yields though.
airlineaddict From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15692 times:
Codeshare with EK via DXB. Ha ha!
Seriously though, I think PR's entitlements via YVR are limited if they plan to continue LAS and add SAN via YVR. The interesting question is if they use ICN as a tech stop only westbound with the return flight nonstop given the winds.
Akiestar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15490 times:
Quoting VHHYI (Reply 11): Is anyone able to confirm when the rest of their B77W will be coming? They probably need it to launch this one, I guess.
Two more are arriving this year, and I presume the last two are arriving either in 2013 or 2014, depending on how the FAA audit goes. PR also intends to embark on another refleeting program after rumors came true that San Miguel Corporation plans to invest in PAL Holdings (the mother company).
jfklganyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15457 times:
"JFK is too overcrowded with Asian airlines where as EWR deserves more coverage and PAL has the right O&D market + onward connecting points to warrant high loads year round but not at good yields though."
There is a reason for that. The airlines are making a smart business decision being at JFK.
One of the Asian airlines ( I think Eva) recently switched to JFK, CX will pick up the EWR slot to supplement their JFK service.
The huge Asian population is Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Philipine, is all in Queens and Brooklyn. NJ just doesn't have the scope or depth of these populations.
Furthermore, in the last 20 years, these population have boomed. And they are not poor immigrant populations. They are moving into affluent areas in Queens (Bayside, Douglaston, Little Neck) and buying houses in excess of $1 million (not that that's excessive in NYC) but you get the point.
If your an Asian airline, you really belong at JFK unless you are supplementing already existing service
STT757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15070 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13): The huge Asian population is Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Philipine, is all in Queens and Brooklyn. NJ just doesn't have the scope or depth of these populations.
Nonsense, the Asian carriers all have dedicated bus services to connect Northern New Jersey with JFK.
Previous Asian carriers at EWR:
Korean Air (left after 9/11)
Obviously there is demand (otherwise they would not have launched their routes), the problem for the Asian carriers is CO/UA is too much competition. They do better at JFK because of the lack of competition from AA and DL.
CO is flying someone to Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Mumbai, Delhi. And according to some it's not NY's, because people from NY never use EWR, so obviously there is demand.
RWA380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14847 times:
Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 19): Was lucky enough to go nonstop the last 2 times SFO-MNL (May and October)
Good to hear, it depends on how many bilikbayan boxes there are I guess. Does PR still use the 744 on this route?
When I worked in downtown SF at a local owned travel agency, the MNL market was cut throat, sometimes making only 10 bucks on a ticket, but I found lots of my customers that went home to MNL frequently, would avoid PAL like the plauge, and preferred NW or CX even if they were more expensive. Wonder what a 20 hour flight to NYC would be like on PAL? Maybe the 777 will be nicer and more updated.
From the link above, you can see that YVR (or any West Coast city) makes no geographical or geometrical sense. ICN is almost exactly on the great circle between MNL and JFK. ICN is the place to stop for fuel.
SFO/LAX are mainly 747's with the occasional A340 mixed in. Due to the FAA restrictions on them, they have not been allowed to add new flights and bring the 77W's in. But I believe there is some things in the works right now that will allow some changed. To add JFK, there must be something loosening up in the rules.
Tomassjc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14704 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20): Good to hear, it depends on how many bilikbayan boxes there are I guess. Does PR still use the 744 on this route?
Bruce, yes, and that includes the 4 balikbayan boxes we take! (My partner is from MNL). The ride on the upgraded 744s is not too bad. We've been lucky enough to score exit row seats. Since they sell them at a fee on check in now, they are usually the last to go and make good non-rev seats! I know the service on PAL is definitely not 5 star, but I find it much "warmer" and less "robotic" than other Asian carriers. Never had a complaint. Never been late. Always great to hear them say "Mabuhay" from the flight deck. But of course, when you non-rev, any seat is a good seat!
Tom in SJC
: Does anyone know for sure what is happening to allow PAL this new route and aircraft? Would we be seeing SFO & LAX going 777 if there indeed is a
: Just for the record the FAA category restrictions are for the country of the Philippines...not limited to PAL itself. I'm sure Cebu Pacific, and Air
: Geography isn't the only consideration. While routing via YVR is about 400 nm further than via ICN, you also have to consider the O&D demand to/f
: What was their schedule/routing when they flew to EWR? http://www.airliners.net/photo/Phili...d=efd679df86a79fd86b52c3b096c5172a
: I am wondering how much prestige is taking into account. You still need business traffic to sustain this profitably, whether there is enough to get t
: Hey its great to dream, however PAL at the moment can't even change frequencies to the US, nor deploy its new 77W fleet due to FAA safety downgrade. U
: Yes, and whether or not the route is non-stop both ways depends on the season. Summer flights normally fly non-stop both ways, while winter flights u
: I was wondering the same thing, if this involves somehow getting around the FAA safety downgrade, or they're just being confidendent they will get th
: I haven't seen a single mention in this thread bringing up the fact that PAL was paying for a consulting agency to come into the Country and help the
: I know the FAA will be there for the audit this month, but I was wondering how long will it take after the audit for the Philippines to regain CAT-I
: I think that if they pass, it wouldn't take that long time but flying there by Valentine's Day this year seem way too optimistic in my opinion. Looki
: I'm one of those people. Theres the direct service to MNL from YVR with PAL.... However I prefer the one extra stop with CX in HKG.
: I worked at World Airways when they flew MNL-YVR-EWR for PAL and can say that the flight was heavy with pax for the EWR-YVR leg but EWR-MNL was light
: PAL being confident that CAAP will pass FAA checks is pretty dicey! The way i see it, CAAP is still functioning the same way it was for the past few
: Apparently, PAL has tweeted that details will be released "next week", which probably means this week as the tweet was sent last Saturday. https://twi
: You are not alone, many of my Philippino customers, and we had many, as the owner was Philippino and had connections to the community and lived in Da
: If through pax make it full YVR-JFK, then it would be full MNL-YVR, so they would need just a tech stop - no customs, etc. A tech stop in Sapporo Jap
: PR could actually use more Japanese destinations: the DOT has been focusing more on Northeast Asia in its tourism push. On local forums though, some
: I would imagine that pax headed for other domestic destinations in the Philippines would prefer to take PR over CX/NW/KE/OZ/JL/etc, because of their b
: So apparently, we have all this hype...over a promo. And I thought they were really starting MNL-NYC! http://www.philippineairlines.com/sp...atest_off