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WN Picking Up More Gates In DEN?  
User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7890 times:

Looks like WN is picking up 2 more gates but will be in terminal A. Any thoughts? Wnfg  


my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

WN is going to pick up where others have cut back.....DEN wanted WN so badly in the past and WN didn't want to pay their fees, now DEN got what they wanted, and now everyone else is leaving the party slowly but surely.


AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlinecatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7864 times:
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Trying to get enough gates to move DL out of terminal C? They would need a few more to make that work.

User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Any idea who the A gates belong(ed) to??? I love DIA but my only gripe is that the train is the only way from A to C: no walkway option a la ATL. During peak times or when the trains go tech, it can make things complicated.

User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1479 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7703 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Looks like WN is picking up 2 more gates but will be in terminal A. Any thoughts? Wnfg  

We're exclusively in C yes? SO we'll have a split-terminal operation? Doesn't seem very passenger/connection friendly in a city where our pax have to change planes.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 4):

We're exclusively in C yes? SO we'll have a split-terminal operation? Doesn't seem very passenger/connection friendly in a city where our pax have to change planes.

True, but if rumors are true, DEN is theoretically the next Domicile for Southwest, so more gates will be needed to add RON's.

The two A gates can be used as Originators in the morning where no connections are needed, from 6-8am-ish, this can fill about 5 flights per gate to relieve "connection" flights at C that were backed up. Every time I fly through DEN on WN we have to hold for gates or we get gate swapped, I am sure you have had some experience too about that?

I am curious on what the official plan is for the two gates in A for Southwest, could it also be for Air Tran additions to CAK, DAY and LGA as well?

Alex



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User currently offlinerumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

I hear it's for expansion for AirTran as well as new International destination's out of DEN. We'll see.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23081 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 4):
Doesn't seem very passenger/connection friendly in a city where our pax have to change planes.

If they are close to the middle of A, I doubt most walks would be longer than A14 to B27 at MDW or B15 to A11 at BWI or C7 to C25 at LAS. It's a bit of a dirty little secret, but there are some l-o-n-g walks at WN hubs (one end of PHX to the other is another).



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1479 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
It's a bit of a dirty little secret, but there are some l-o-n-g walks at WN hubs (one end of PHX to the other is another).

This is true... or at MDW A4A/B to the hammerhead at the end of B.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17545 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7475 times:

Quoting rumorboy (Reply 6):
I hear it's for expansion for AirTran as well as new International destination's out of DEN

I'd expect them to blanket F9's Mexico coverage as soon as possible.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7443 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):

Ya but to get from A to C, no walking can be done. They have to take the Train which will add some time to walk to the train, wait for the next train and ride it and so forth.

Not a HUGE deal, but def adds to the connection time.

Alex



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Looks like WN is picking up 2 more gates but will be in terminal A. Any thoughts?

New crew base.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

I don't know how RDU is doing for WN at DEN, but is there a possibility of adding a 2nd flight? I mean, currently there is only one and WN is the only carrier offering the flight. I hope a 2nd flight is on their radar. Anyone got any ideas? I doubt if we will see UA offer it again..


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User currently offlineBobLoblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Looks like WN is picking up 2 more gates but will be in terminal A. Any thoughts? Wnfg

Yes, my thought is at some point UAL is going to have to start defending DEN and stop cutting frequencies if they want to keep a viable hub there long term. UAL doesnt seem to realize that they can fight WN there and the side benefit will be F9 goes out of business. By neglecting DEN, UA is simply giving F9 breathing room. UA needs to restore frequencies and upgauge RJs in markets like ATL to A319s and become aggressive on pricing.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7064 times:
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Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 13):
UAL doesnt seem to realize that they can fight WN there and the side benefit will be F9 goes out of business. By neglecting DEN, UA is simply giving F9 breathing room. UA needs to restore frequencies and upgauge RJs in markets like ATL to A319s and become aggressive on pricing.

That strategy didn't work last time United tried it.

When Southwest first came to DEN, Inited boosted capacity and cut fares on all the common routes. Within a year, DEN had turned from one of United's most profitable hubs to its least profitable and the Rocky Mountain News flat out said that United was losing money at DEN:

http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/.../united-loses-money-on-denver-hub/

"United loses money on Denver hub

United Airlines said fierce competition in Denver has eroded some of its profits here, contributing to a first-quarter net loss that exceeded analyst expectations.

The arrival of discount giant Southwest Airlines last year, coupled with aggressive expansion by homegrown Frontier Airlines and United's emergence from bankruptcy, has helped keep fares low in Denver despite a nationwide increase in ticket prices.

United's Denver hub has "changed significantly from one of our more successful profit contributors" a year ago, Glenn Tilton, the carrier's chief executive officer, said Wednesday on a conference call."


It helped to kill Ted, of course.

mariner



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User currently offlineBobLoblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
That strategy didn't work last time United tried it.

That's cuz they didnt see it through. UA is and waas very short term thinking.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2880 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6969 times:

Quoting rumorboy (Reply 6):
I hear it's for expansion for AirTran as well as new International destination's out of DEN. We'll see.

AirTran expansion and new international destinations... Hmmm, might as well make life difficult for F9!

The last FL expansion from DEN was interesting to say the least... After that, I figured that starting up DEN-Mexico (pretty much F9's last respite/safe haven from WN) would be a priority! Then they can throw in a few new domestic routes like DEN-ICT, DEN-DSM, and DEN-GRR for good measure  .



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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1309 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

I believe WN will start using gate A51/A53 in March, but is this really an expansion? Their subsidiary, FL, operates these gates on A already. Shouldn't the title be "FL signage to be rebranded WN on A concourse?"


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6907 times:
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Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 15):
That's cuz they didnt see it through. UA is and waas very short term thinking.

Nevertheless, the strategy didn't work and it isn't usually a good idea to throw good money after bad.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 16):
Hmmm, might as well make life difficult for F9!

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mariner



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6862 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 17):
I believe WN will start using gate A51/A53 in March, but is this really an expansion? Their subsidiary, FL, operates these gates on A already. Shouldn't the title be "FL signage to be rebranded WN on A concourse?"

Air Tran is at C right now too, didn't realize they were splitting A and C between Air Tran already?

from Air Tran's website...

Terminal and Gate Locations

Gate A53 - C46


Air Tran alone will be operating to ATL, MKE, DAY, CAK and LGA, which would probably need an extra gate, the former one in A as mentioned?

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 11):

New crew base.

I am hearing this too!

Alex



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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1309 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 19):
from Air Tran's website...

Terminal and Gate Locations

Gate A53 - C46

They were on C, moved to the two gates in A and it appears they (WN or FL?) are back on C. But, the two gates that I was told WN was taking in A (A51 & 53) were the FL gates while they were on A.

[Edited 2012-01-14 16:37:54]


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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
C7 to C25 at LAS.

Try C7/9-B20 at LAS.

I heard from a couple FAs (the second most informed people on the plane, other than the Captain) that DEN wouldn't become a crew base. They said WN requires crew bases to be maintenance stations and Denver charges airlines based on the inventory they keep at the airport, from vehicles to the rivets. Their comment was "it's too expensive" for WN to run a base there.

I don't know if I believe what the FAs said, but I sure don't want to connect from A to C. This will surely raise the MCT time to 40-45 minutes, up from 25 now.

Last time I was there, the train broke between the Jeppesen Terminal and A. People were told to walk to A then take the train. Not sure what happens if the train breaks somewhere between A and C.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5934 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 21):
I heard from a couple FAs (the second most informed people on the plane, other than the Captain) that DEN wouldn't become a crew base. They said WN requires crew bases to be maintenance stations and Denver charges airlines based on the inventory they keep at the airport, from vehicles to the rivets. Their comment was "it's too expensive" for WN to run a base there.

Denver has a city tax on new aircraft and aircraft parts. Both United and Frontier had pushed for it to be removed, but no go. It was a major component of Republic's decision to move Frontier's heavy maintenance away from DEN.

I don't know if the tax has been rescinded since then - I have not heard that it has.

mariner



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1479 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 21):
I heard from a couple FAs (the second most informed people on the plane, other than the Captain)

HAHAHA! Since our information ricochets back and forth between the cabin and the flight-deck, I'd say we're all EQUALLY mis-informed when it comes to rumors.. LOL!

I've been told that we choose our bases based on RON aircraft in each station. The higher the number, the more likely the base. I don't know that DEN has as many RON's as we need for it to be a base, despite the number of daily flights. I could be totally off though...



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 23):

I've been told that we choose our bases based on RON aircraft in each station. The higher the number, the more likely the base. I don't know that DEN has as many RON's as we need for it to be a base, despite the number of daily flights. I could be totally off though...

I have heard the RON plays a high part in making the decisions.

At the moment, DEN has 10 RON's, will increase to 15 March 10th and beyond then back down to 11 June 3rd and beyond. DEN fluctuates up and down quite a bit in terms of RON.

Alex



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25 rampart : In other news, I see that we finally acknowledge the existence of hubs. -Rampart
26 WNCrew : Oh this gets so old. Of course WN has "hubs" "focus cities" "bases" whatever you want to call them. ALL airlines do! The existence/admittance of HUBS
27 DBCooper : WN is going to be using A51 and A53 which had been used by AS and FL. AS will move from A51 to A52 and F9 will move from A52 to A24, a one-time F9 ga
28 QANTAS747-438 : LAX is the other rumored base, and we consistently have 14 RONS, regardless of the flight schedule.
29 rampart : I agree. I was booking a flight on UA the other day. I had connection options, and not unreasonable, in MCI, ORF, BNA. On UA. Convergent evolution. -
30 atrude777 : I am personally rooting for LAX, though I quite enjoy the overnights in Los Angeles when I traveled with the crew at Southwest, would be a shame to s
31 QANTAS747-438 : Tonight is a Saturday schedule.
32 atrude777 : I am using Jan 8th-Feb 10th schedule that lists the RON per city. It's showing me 12, it dropped from 13 actually from the last schedule change. Drop
33 ADent : Also Colorado has business "personal property" tax.
34 chrisair : It's quite fun watching the ramp play tetris with 737s in the morning, or at night. How you guys manage to fit those planes in there and get flights
35 usflyguy : Rumor has it, WN is purchasing a warehouse really close to DEN that is outside the city limits for their MX materials store. As for a crew base, specu
36 mariner : To avoid the tax? That would be an interesting test case. It is my understanding that "first use" is the issue, which would still, presumably, take p
37 mcg : The irony is that it wasn't that long ago that F9 was using a couple gates on C to grow. That didn't last long.
38 mariner : Well - not quite. As long as I have followed Frontier (twelve years), it has never had use of any C gates. There were three gates available on C and
39 QANTAS747-438 : Thank you. We have SO many restrictions and so little equipment and space that I don't know how we do it either. It's nice to be leaving work and eve
40 GentFromAlaska : Possibly as a P2P shuttle of sorts between DEN-LAS and DEN-SLC in addition to their flights which connect through DEN.
41 737tdi : Was flying cockpit a few days ago and that crew believed that DIA was to be the next crew base. We (mechs.) were told that we are definitely going to
42 QANTAS747-438 : Yeah, that's technically true. They are not here from 1245a-4a and therefore we are not an official "MX base". It's always fun to see the FOs faces w
43 sldispatcher : Best quote! Typical of WN's arrival into a city. Ask Oakland how that's working out for them now? If and when F9 is gone...and chased out by the city
44 Post contains images chrisair : Tell them to suck it up and they could be in Manchester where they'd be doing a walk around in the snow or ice. How does this work if parts need to b
45 737tdi : Actually it has grown up quite a bit pretty close to the airport. The last time I was there fixing damage on an aircraft that blew both left MLG tire
46 Cubsrule : And how is it working out in Nashville or Saint Louis?
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