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Airbus New Year Press Conference 2012  
User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8271 times:

Please note that Airbus and EADS plan a live webcast on Tuesday January 17th at 09:30 am UTC.
Airbus and EADS' achievements in 2011 and strategies and prospects for 2012 are on the menu.
Maybe the replacement of EADS' Gallois by Airbus' Enders will be mentioned.

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User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

The press kit is already available :

http://www.eads.com/eads/int/en/news...-press/conf/ne_2012_eads_2012.html


User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

Less than 90 mins to go! I wonder what surprises will be in there?

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5729 times:

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 2):
Less than 90 mins to go! I wonder what surprises will be in there?

Likely:

a bunch of A320neo firmings

Outside bets:

Firming of Transaero A380 order.

What it guarenteed is that Airbus will win the order race for 2011 and maybe the delivery race too


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2780 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5695 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 3):
Firming of Transaero A380 order.

They still have to confirm the Hong Kong Airlines order. It was confirmed by Hong Kong Airlines but not yet by Airbus. So my strong feeling is that they will announce it today during that press conference.

I am very happy that the slow-news-times are over and we finally see some "action" again.  


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5669 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 3):
a bunch of A320neo firmings

Agreed. Some fresh orders would be a bonus as well. Wasn't the Virgin order announced at their new year press conference last year?

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 3):
What it guarenteed is that Airbus will win the order race for 2011 and maybe the delivery race too

I believe the delivery race was already decided in Airbus' favor, albeit not officially.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-dreamliner-747-8-amid-delays.html

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 4):
I am very happy that the slow-news-times are over and we finally see some "action" again.

Same here... it's been a little too quiet for my liking  


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5379 times:

534 deliveries in 2011 and 1419 net orders!

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5342 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 6):
534 deliveries in 2011 and 1419 net orders!

Nice!
I think he said 1227 NEO's?


User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5351 times:

AA neo order not included in 2011 numbers. airbus being conservative. they are confident to put them on the books after ch11.

Sound business sense.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2780 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5324 times:

CEO Enders "serious problems" with the A 350? Did I understand that correctly?

User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5303 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 9):

CEO Enders "serious problems" with the A 350? Did I understand that correctly?

I didn't understand in that way. But they said they learned from the A380 program not to rush a half ready aircrafts through FAL.......he could just as well mentioned the 787 also :p


User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5272 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 9):
CEO Enders "serious problems" with the A 350? Did I understand that correctly?

No. He said they've learned from the A380 of the serious problems putting incomplete planes through the production. they won't do that with the A350.

Additionally he states that the airlines are playing tactically with Airbus with regards the 350-1000.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5243 times:

Expects around 570 deliveries in 2012

Expects around 600 orders in 2012, which they say is healthy lookking at their planned production and order back log

[Edited 2012-01-17 02:12:01]

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2780 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 10):
I didn't understand in that way. But they said they learned from the A380 program not to rush a half ready aircrafts through FAL.......he could just as well mentioned the 787 also :p
Quoting ebbuk (Reply 11):
No. He said they've learned from the A380 of the serious problems putting incomplete planes through the production. they won't do that with the A350.

Ahh, thanks for the clarification. I cannot turn on the speakers of my laptop as I would have to do in order to understand it properly.

Quoting flood (Reply 5):
Same here... it's been a little too quiet for my liking

  


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2780 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5179 times:

Leahy having problems with the remote control of the beamer, saying "it's like building an A 380"  

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5156 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 6):
534 deliveries in 2011 and 1419 net orders!

We can all argue about the sustainability of the order numbers but 534 is a vey impressive number of deliveries!


User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5148 times:

was that 1608 gross and 1419 net ? If so another 46 cancellations in December.

User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5122 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 14):
Leahy having problems with the remote control of the beamer, saying "it's like building an A 380"

That was great   

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he also mentioned the Republic order (NEO) was firm after his brief of the AA order status.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2780 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5103 times:

Sharklet for the A 330 being investigated

[Edited 2012-01-17 02:27:23]

User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5105 times:

Wow. The A330 just keeps getting better. MTOW of 240t and potentially a sharklet refit!

User currently offlineInsideMan From Vatican City, joined Aug 2011, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5109 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 18):

being investigated, not planned!


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2780 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5074 times:

Quoting InsideMan (Reply 20):
being investigated, not planned!

That's correct, I just edited my contribution. However, if he is mentioning it "being investigated" I think it has very good chances to become a reality, if it's just a feasibility study, he wouldn't mention it. Just my 2 cents.


User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

Numbers I could glean from JL

1419 Net orders, a record for the industry

In total net orders for B and A, JL and his team secured 64%

In total net revenue for B and A, JL and his team banked 56%.

Says the NEO 1226 orders tally is an industry record for a new programme in it's first year; all helped by Boeing. We knew that all along. He did go on to say that he thinks it will remain dominant in the sector as it is a stronger product than the re-engined 737 and that the customers have been showing that.

JL conceded that the 777 is a good aircraft and that A don't have a product to match it right now. But that when the A350 is built, he believes it will dominate. He did say that the A340 would dominate too all that time ago so let's wait and see.

A330 has sold more units since the launch of the 787. According to JL B had said that the 787 would kill 330 sales. They intend to keep it going. Looking at increasing take off weight to 240t and looking at sharklets for the beauty of the skies. There is nothing that can match it on the 5 to 6 hr routes.

Bravo to Airbus. Sterling stunning numbers.

[Edited 2012-01-17 03:16:39]

User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 22):
Numbers I could glean from JL

1419 Net orders, a record for the industry

In total net orders for B and A, JL and his team secured 64%

In total net revenue for B and A, JL and his team banked 56%.

Says the NEO 1226 orders tally is an industry record for a new programme in it's first year; all helped by Boeing. We knew that all along. He did go on to say that he thinks it will remain dominant in the sector as it is a stronger product than the re-engined 737 and that the customers have been showing that.

JL conceded that the 777 is a good aircraft and that A don't have a product to match it right now. But that when the A350 is built, he believes it will dominate. He did say that the A340 would dominate too all that time ago so let's wait and see.

A330 has sold more units since the launch of the 787. JL said that B said that the 787 would kill 330 sales. They intend to keep it going. Looking at increasing take off weight to 240t and looking at sharklets for the beauty of the skies.

Bravo to Airbus. Sterling stunning numbers.

Good summary. Just to add on the A330 front, Airbus intends to ramp up production from around 7/month at the moment to 10/month and the A320 and A380 increasing to 42/month and 3/month respectively.

For an idea of current production rates:

The 534 deliveries beat the previous record set in 2010 by 24 aircraft. Deliveries include a new record for 421 single aisle aircraft (401 in 2010), 87 A330 Family (87 in 2010) and 26 A380s (18 in 2010). December was a record month for the A380, with four deliveries in a single month.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...record-order-and-delivery-numbers/


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Quote:
Net commercial orders include 19 for the A380, 52 A330/A350 XWB Family aircraft, and 1,348 A320 Family aircraft. Of these, the A320neo won 1,226 firm sales confirming its title as the “the fastest selling airliner ever”. Overall, the backlog is 4,437 aircraft valued at over US$588 billion at list prices, or equalling 7-8 years production.

The year for the A320, especially the NEO, was unbelievable.
The "widebody division" did also good, but still a long shot from Boeing's widebody sales performance.
That being said 2010 showed that Airbus won the widebody sales by a healthy margin.


25 Post contains images travelavnut : Good to see one of my favourite companies is doing so well Congrats to Airbus for an incredible 2011! Is that 240t MTOW a planned further increase of
26 Heavierthanair : G´day Presumably that 2 ton MTOW increase would compensate for the added weight of the sharklets and wing reinforcements required. Any guess on what
27 col : I have just looked at the numbers and without the neo the numbers don't look good. Are my numbers correct? A320 non neo...only 122 sold A330/A350 only
28 imiakhtar : I agree with that line of thought (for reference the 767-300ER winglet kit is 1500kg). The sharklets for the A320 are on track for a 4% fuel saving.
29 travelavnut : Well, euhm, why would you subtract the NEO numbers? They are sales just like the other right?[Edited 2012-01-17 04:38:13]
30 ebbuk : No you are right. Without the NEO the numbers are low. Would they have been this low without the neo? I don't think so. There can't too many slots le
31 Post contains images frigatebird : That's the best euphemism I've heard to describe EY's 6 cancellations A lot, if not everything has to do with availability. If the NEO hadn't been la
32 Post contains images N14AZ : They sold 29 A 380s but had to "digest" 10 cancellations (ILFC). If you present it that way it sounds a little bit better. Since they also predict 30
33 Chiad : Oh please. You cannot separate the NEO from the classic A320 as they are build on the same line. The Classic's backlog of some 2100 frames will last
34 queb : Not sure, the A330 already have winglets and his wing is designed to support up to 275 tonnes (A340-200/300).
35 ebbuk : considering EY still has 19 of the 351's on order, we can safely say this realignment of fleet rather than full on dismay, tactic or otherwise. As En
36 india1 : Could the recent, new EY 787 order have anything to do with this?
37 flyglobal : Obviously you may miss something, as there is no reason to subtract wildely some numbers and then claim some poor performance out of that. Same as I
38 astuteman : As others have mentioned…. A320 non NEO – by my reckoning there could be as few as 250 – 300 slots left for non NEO A320’s between now and th
39 Scipio : Quite remarkable how far the A330 has come. If your projection is right, it would mean that the A330-200's range will exceed that of all A340-200's a
40 mham001 : Only 3? That's not good. You could say they are not getting the profits of a widebody and their own numbers seem to show that, 64% of sales but only
41 redflyer : Even 56% of revenues is still impressive. And as far as I'm concerned, a sale is a sale. If I had a backlog of several hundred billion dollars, I wou
42 mffoda : That was 56% of Gross sales. Net sales = 54%
43 Post contains images ferpe : We ran some numbers over at TechOps, before the sharklet upgrade of the winglets it was somewhere around 12-13% better fuel burn at longhaul legs (10
44 Post contains images ebbuk : Shocking. That JL and his team don't do very much do they? Indeed, they better get the 350 right otherwise, bust. 359 is done deal. The other two....
45 mham001 : I am slightly shocked that there is not more interest. IIRC, JL used to brag about more interest than that in the A380.
46 Post contains links zeke : I did not see this in the press conferance, talk about opening up a FAL in the USA. I assume that this article in Business week would have come from t
47 redflyer : I don't believe this was in the PC. It appears to be an idea that was put out there by an exec during an after-the-conference interview. There is not
48 BMI727 : Yes, but I find it very hard to believe that Airbus did not see it coming when they made the deal. I highly doubt that the AA bankruptcy will have an
49 RoseFlyer : I think they are interested in the biggest airplane customer in the world - The US Government. The US Government is the largest airplane operator in
50 BMI727 : I think that's after the fact marketing. That selling point isn't going to keep them from ordering Airbus, Sukhoi, Comac, or anything else if they th
51 Scipio : That, and it is suffering from its own success. The backlog is such that it erodes what was the A330's main selling point in recent years--availabili
52 Post contains images Asiaflyer : Which Airbus already has announced to be increased to 9.5 per month in 2012.
53 Post contains images Scipio : Yes But they need to actually do it, not just talk about it. Hence my disappointment with 2011 A330 output...
54 Post contains images EPA001 : A perfect summary on the A350. Despite what some others are trying us to believe in some other threads. .
55 Scipio : Last year at the annual press conference, they announced a production increase to 9 aircraft per month. But there was no increase whatsoever during 2
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