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5000th A320 Family Receives Special Livery  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18343 times:

Here's the 5000th A320 Family aircraft, which will be delivered to MEA soon:

http://skyliner-aviation.de/photos/DAVVV.jpg

On a related note, MEA recently sold its 2 oldest A321s, which were delivered in February and April of 2003, to Turkish carrier Atlasjet.

MEA will replace them in the summer with 3 more new A320s, one of which will be painted in the SkyTeam livery.


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User currently offlineOLBA From Lebanon, joined Jun 2011, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18186 times:

Will any other MEA aircraft be painted in SkyTeam livery?

User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1843 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17870 times:
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Personally I would have liked a more elaborate 5000th livery.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
Looks good, reminds me of the 5000th, 6000th, and 7000th B-737s that were delivered.

Way to drag down a thread.


On a mature note; they are both great aircraft, and we will see them in their new guise (NEO and MAX) crossing our skies for many many years to come.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3829 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 17091 times:
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5000 A320s. In 25 years. Woaw! If Airbus sells over 5000 units of the A320NEO family in the next 25 years, the whole A320 program will have beaten the legendary DC-3.

5000th A320: Does that include the other three models of Airbus narrow bodies: A318, 319 and 321? Or specifically the A320?

Anyway congrats to Airbus !  



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User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13163 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16681 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
5000 A320s. In 25 years. Woaw!

It is a wow. Your 10k won't be a challenge, per Wikipedia, 7,850 orders already. The NEO will take that over 10k. It is a question of when, not if. With the rising production, it will be sooner rather than later.

What is amazing is how few A32X have been scrapped. Per Wikipedia, there are 4,730 in operation!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320_orders

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
5000th A320: Does that include the other three models of Airbus narrow bodies: A318, 319 and 321? Or specifically the A320?

A320 as family, so it is the sum of the A318, A319, A320, and A321.

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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2664 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13643 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
If Airbus sells over 5000 units of the A320NEO family in the next 25 years, the whole A320 program will have beaten the legendary DC-3.

It alreadt has, many, many moons ago.

The DC-3 only sold a few hundred civilian examples. You cannot compare the Military sales to Commercial sales.



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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13069 times:

Can't say I like the livery, but as i said earlier (I was stupid enough to respond to a flame) it's an incredible accomplishment to have produced so many in so little time, and to have so many still in active service. Actually thinking about it, isn't this going to be the most produced series of aircraft of all time?

Using the Boeing website and counting all the delivers of the NG versions I only come up with 3878 so I suspect I must be missing something. I don't know of any significant updates of the A320 since its launch, other than the A320-200, as I believe there was a 100 but it only sold about 20 copies. Other than that, I can't think of anything that is going to come close to it - which is simply incredible.

[Edited 2012-01-16 03:38:13]

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4330 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12757 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 6):
Using the Boeing website and counting all the delivers of the NG versions I only come up with 3878 so I suspect I must be missing something.

Together with the 3132 737 classics (100 to 500 series) deliveries just passed the 7000 mark. But let's not talk about Boeings today. A major accomplishment for Airbus indeed. Pity they cheated a bit by not building but still counting aircraft 1813, 1822, 1830, 1919, 1930, 1985, 2025, 2111 and 2722. So in fact c/n 5009 should be the party girl instead.



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12646 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
Pity they cheated a bit by not building but still counting aircraft 1813, 1822, 1830, 1919, 1930, 1985, 2025, 2111 and 2722

Had never heard about this before. Why was it?



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4330 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12547 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 8):
Had never heard about this before. Why was it?

Some orders which were cancelled or deferred, mostly US Airways 321s, TAM 319s and an Air Canada 319 and VIP 319 and #2722s barrel was damaged during transport.
Parts allocated for these aircraft were just used on other aircraft instead so it was more an administrative thing. There are some discussions in the archive why Airbus does that sometimes.



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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12480 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
Together with the 3132 737 classics (100 to 500 series) deliveries just passed the 7000 mark. But let's not talk about Boeings today. A major accomplishment for Airbus indeed.

Yeah, it was mentioning when to count the classics and when not to count them which got my initial post deleted, but I think most people accept that the NG was pretty much a new aircraft. Anyway, your right in that it would be a shame to infect the thread with a nasty dose of fanboyitus.  


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2730 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12311 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 9):
#2722s barrel was damaged during transport.

Interesting, I didn't know this. Do you have more details? What happened and where (TLS or XFW)?
After making a quick internet research I found out MSN 2722 would have been a TACA airframe, correct?


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

Great news. When I was a kid the airlines were buying A320s. many years later they are buying A320s. Going forward they will be buying new look A320s. I mean that is just awesome, so exciting. Much better than having BAC111s / DC9s / B737s / Mercures and Caravelles competing with Tu134s and Tu154s.

The A320.....so brilliant.I can say the same for the might B737 as well.
By the time I drop dead, I wonder if we'll have something "new" to look at.....

[Edited 2012-01-16 05:00:46]

User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11504 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 10):
your right in that it would be a shame to infect the thread with a nasty dose of fanboyitus.

Thinking a little more about this, I was wrong. Perhaps this is exactly the type of thread where we can show our admiration and pride in a company.

What makes this such an achievement for me, and what makes it so incredible is when you consider how small and insignificant Airbus were when they launched it. Going on Wiki (not the most accurate of sources I admit) in 1983 when the first A320 order was received they had only produced 223 A300 aircraft in the previous 10 years. So on average that’s what, about 2 frames a month!

I don’t think anyone could have ever envisioned that 20 odd years later they would be the worlds largest, and leading airline manufacturer. And yeah, I use “leading” with caution – but many of the significant changes in aviation of recent have been down to Airbus. To give just a few examples; The A300 was the first wide-body twin, the A320 introduced digital fly by wire to the civilian market and they were using composites in the 1970’s!

And I’m sorry if this reads like the rant of a fan, but I just find it cool that they had the balls to take on the aviation giants of the time, and won. Also, I don’t think a little flag waving from time to time hurts, with all the negative press the Euro crisis is creating at the moment it’s nice to see an example of what can be achieved when we choose to work together.

[Edited 2012-01-16 05:44:44]

User currently offlinegipsy From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11298 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11):
I found out MSN 2722 would have been a TACA airframe, correct?

Yep it is a TACA aircraft. It's MSN has been re-allocated to 2862.


User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9780 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 13):
on’t think anyone could have ever envisioned that 20 odd years later they would be the worlds largest, and leading airline manufacturer. And yeah, I use “leading” with caution – but many of the significant changes in aviation of recent have been down to Airbus. To give just a few examples; The A300 was the first wide-body twin, the A320 introduced digital fly by wire to the civilian market and they were using composites in the 1970’s!

And I’m sorry if this reads like the rant of a fan, but I just find it cool that they had the balls to take on the aviation giants of the time,

Couldn't agree more. The A320 Series are surely one of the most fantastic aircraft ever made. It was so much its time ahead, when all airlines were flying planes with cockpits like a collection of watches or some rudimentary hybrids steered by wires/hydraulics.

The A320 Series introduced:

Flight Control Systems

Carbon Brakes on narrowbodys,

CFRP and on primary surfaces

FBW

Flight Envelope Protections

CIDS

Glass Cockpit

Sidestick

ECAM

Commonality Concept

Just in Time assembly copied by Boeing more then 15 years later

etc...


The A320 will sure reach the 10'000 mark and it deserves it.



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2664 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8769 times:

Quoting autothrust (Reply 15):

  

Wrong on a few things there.

Boeing and Douglas had commonality on their planes long before Airbus even came about.The A320 just expanded upon it. The 757/767 share the same type rating and cockpit. I believe most the MD80/90 series do also.
The 737 drew upon the 707 and 727. Though not common in ratings, the similarity on cockpit design cannot be denied.

Concorde had FBW.

CFRP had been in used by Boeing, Lockheed and McD for some time. Nose cones, tail cones, rudders, wing to body fairings, etc.



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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 16):

Concorde had FBW

It certanly did, but it was an alalogue based system hence I specifically said Digital fly by wire.


User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8412 times:

Quoting autothrust (Reply 15):
Commonality Concept

Its a bit of a stretch to say the A320 introduced any commonality concept, that can be more attributed to the A340/A330 program. The A320 has very little in common with the A300/A310, the only other planes that Airbus was making at the time of its introduction.


User currently offlineandz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7361 times:
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SAA received their first (well, first of the second run) 320 this weekend, it must have been close to this milestone.


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User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

Quoting polot (Reply 18):
Its a bit of a stretch to say the A320 introduced any commonality concept, that can be more attributed to the A340/A330 program. The A320 has very little in common with the A300/A310, the only other planes that Airbus was making at the time of its introduction


Actually the initial Airbus commonality concept was for the A310/A300 although I think autothrust was referring to the future A330/A340 and indeed A380 products. That has led to lots of customers buying into all these products. Pilots transitioning from the A320 Family to the A330 or A340 aircraft need only eight working days for their Cross Crew Qualification instead of 25 working days for a full type rating training course

Quoting garpd (Reply 16):
Though not common in ratings, the similarity on cockpit design cannot be denied


Oh, it can. The variation in customer cockpit configurations amongst the early 707, 727 and 737 products was staggering. The only common item was the view out the windshield



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User currently offlinenimbus111 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

looks good, way to go Airbus.


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User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 16):
. The 757/767 share the same type rating and cockpit.

Oh yeah, commonality which ends "mostly" at this two planes. You can do transition training from A320 to the A380 in 13 working days! (CCQ)

Quoting garpd (Reply 16):
The 737 drew upon the 707 and 727. Though not common in ratings, the similarity on cockpit design cannot be denied.

I don't deny similarity which is sure helpfull for the crew. But bimilar cockpit doesn't mean anything, unless there is a concept and not a whole unorganised tinkered mess like there was for example in the 737 (classics)

Quoting garpd (Reply 16):
Concorde had FBW.

True, but not digital. Next time i will add the word digital.  
Quoting garpd (Reply 16):
CFRP had been in used by Boeing, Lockheed and McD for some time. Nose cones, tail cones, rudders, wing to body fairings, etc.

While true on widebodys, the A320 was the first narrowbody to use a significant amount of the structure made from composite material.

(source Norris & Wagner 1999, p. 42 )



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2664 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 17):
It certanly did, but it was an alalogue based system hence I specifically said Digital fly by wire.

That I can accept.

Quoting autothrust (Reply 22):
Oh yeah, commonality which ends "mostly" at this two planes. You can do transition training from A320 to the A380 in 13 working days! (CCQ)

Well, seeing as the A380 wasn't around when it was introduced, the A320 could not have introduced cockpit commonality. It was on it's own. It was common with nothing.

(As an aside, If we were to use the same argument as yours, then the common cockpit did not truely come into play until the A380 was launched. The A330/340 are always included as one product in statistics, arguments, etc, so until the A380, only two products were using the A320 cockpit, the A320 and A330/A340. No difference to the 757/767 then.
Or is the link between the A330 and A340 now to be conveniently dropped and both regarded as seperate entities?)



Regardless however, Airbus did not "introduce" the common cockpit. They just evolved the idea.
As did they evolve the use of CFRP. It stands to reason that the first clean sheet NB design since the introduction of large CFRP panels would make more use of them.

Quoting shankly (Reply 20):
That has led to lots of customers buying into all these products.

Really?
Can you provide links sources where it is stated that "Cockpit Commonality" or "Common typerating" was the deciding factor in the sale? (Note: the Airbus website is not a source)

Everything I've read and been told by friends in the industry for the past 12 years is that typerating and/or commonality does not feature all that highly on the shopping list for airlines. In fact, IIRC, crew training has been included in many sales.



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