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User currently offlineflyer737sw From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 135 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19427 times:

You can read about it here. I will try and post up some pics too. Enjoy

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw...roduces-prnews-3396610344.html?x=0

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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19517 times:

In that same article, they post a YouTube link of the process:

The Evolution of EVOLVE: The New Southwest Interior



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User currently offlineflyer737sw From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19369 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 1):
In that same article, they post a YouTube link of the process:

The Evolution of EVOLVE: The New Southwest Interior

Nice, I totally overlooked that link. Good find.

The seating capacity will increase from the current 137 to 143.


User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19362 times:

Apart from color, it looks like every other airline's interior - streamlined slimline seats, reduced pitch (albeit slimlines maintain leg space) and reduced recline (which is being touted as a positive here to reduce invasion of "living space").

Interesting that they didn't go with articulating seat pans to drive further comfort.

None the less an improvement vs. their older heavier seats, so well done WN.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 923 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19306 times:

They're selling it as an 'improvement'....but meanwhile they're adding one MORE row to their aircraft while using the same seat frame AND reducing the seat recline by 1".

They say the seat pitch will be the same...so how is it possible to add a row and use the same metal hardware? Seat pitch is the measurement between the front of the seat cushion and the seat back in front of your knees. So the seat padding/cover is going to have to be 1" thinner...meaning one inch less padding OR the seat cushion is 1" smaller...or maybe a combination of the two.


User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19207 times:
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I like the colors. It's very business like and refines especially the bulkhead trim. I also like the carpeting colors.

User currently offlinebeachbum1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19029 times:

I like it! While watching the video, it looks like the new carpeting is actually carpet "tiles"? You can see the technicians installing them square by square in the video. Interesting and pretty smart actually. If you happen to get a nasty stain or rip in the carpeting, just take out a tile and replace it with a new one, instead of replacing a whole carpet section.

I also like the new bulkhead design. Looks nice. Many airlines today no longer have any kind of designs or graphics on the bulkhead walls.


User currently offlinesan88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18998 times:

http://www.seegreenville.360citytour...wa_isle1_intro_cube_out_html5.html

Enjoy the virtual tour  

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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18924 times:

Looks really good. Saves weight, increases capacity, more comfortable for pax. Win-win!

[Edited 2012-01-17 08:33:41]


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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18844 times:

Thank god for reducing recline, all it does is take away someone elses space. Its a nice interior, the tiles are interesting to see and probably make maintenance easier. Generally like it, although a strong accent color would be welcome.

Is it really a reduced pitch or is it just slimmer seat that keep the same pitch?


User currently offlineav8orwalk From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18792 times:

Good riddance to those carpeted bulkheads. They were ripped weeks after installation. These look really nice! Way to go Southwest. Can't wait to ride on one of these.

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12878 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18608 times:
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Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 4):
They say the seat pitch will be the same

   It will be the knee room is the same.

Quoting timpdx (Reply 9):
Is it really a reduced pitch or is it just slimmer seat that keep the same pitch?

Slimmer seat maintains knee room.

I noted this in the OP link: "Seats: The new seats are constructed using eco-friendly products that offer more durability of the current seat, as well as a weight savings of nearly six pounds per seat. A lighter weight fill from Franklin Products in the back of the seat provides increased Customer comfort. The improved durability of the redesigned seat coupled with fuel savings from 635 pounds less weight per aircraft is expected to result in more than $10 million in ongoing annual cost savings.
"


Doing the math, the seats now weigh, in total (I assume including added O2 masks, lighting, and such) ~41lbm/each.
That gives for 'free' (after seat costs) the weight needed for 3 of the 6 additional passengers. Since WN really doesn't push the 73G, there will be no issue with a fully loaded 73G performing WN's missions.

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User currently onlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18303 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 4):
They say the seat pitch will be the same...so how is it possible to add a row and use the same metal hardware? Seat pitch is the measurement between the front of the seat cushion and the seat back in front of your knees. So the seat padding/cover is going to have to be 1" thinner...meaning one inch less padding OR the seat cushion is 1" smaller...or maybe a combination of the two.

I read the article twice and nowhere did did they state that the seat pitch will stay the same. My take is 1" thinner seat back and 1" reduction in actual seat pitch.

There are two ways of measuring seat pitch, neither of which are as you describe. The actual seat pitch is the measurement between the same point on adjacent seat rows, this is used when installing seats and is the preferred airline dimension. The other which is a more accurate measurement of actual legroom is from the front of the seat back cushion to the seat back in the next row forward.


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18304 times:

Lightsaber covered it pretty well...

By technicality, the Seat Pitch won't be the same if we are referring to Back of the Chair to the next Back of the Chair. However the Leg Room will NOT be compromised and that's the real concern here.

I am glad to see them getting rid of the Seat Pocket thing and replacing it with a webbing that will be lighter and provide more knee/leg room as well.

I am very excited by the updated and new interior, the fixed head wing will be huge. I utilize them on Delta, and loved them on American and Alaska, and look forward to seeing it on SWA.

The cabin colors do remind me of the old Southwest, a throwback if you will, while keeping it professional (IMO) and low key as well.

Glad to see Southwest able to increase revenue with the addition of the 6 seats without compromising our knee and leg room, bonus all around.

Alex



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 923 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18251 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
ing the math, the seats now weigh, in total (I assume including added O2 masks, lighting, and such) ~41lbm/each.

There are not any O2 masks or any electrical wiring built into the seat frame on WN's fleet.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
there will be no issue with a fully loaded 73G performing WN's missions

Boeing lists the 'typical' capacity for a single-cabin 73G as 149 (ugh!) passengers. WN's are currently outfitted with 137 seats...add one more row and you're at 143. WestJet WS, single-class 73G has 136 seats. It's not just about seat pitch...its about passenger comfort, inflight service, lines for the lavs as well. That's a lot of people on a 73G!


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18134 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 13):
However the Leg Room will NOT be compromised and that's the real concern here.

While legroom is most important, I also don't like feeling that my nose is smashed up into the seat in front of me. Even if my legroom stays the same, if the seatback in front of me is closer to my head, I'll be less comfortable.

All I see in this article are one or two vague statements about things like "enhanced comfort" interspersed amongst a whole pile of "eco-friendly" environmental drivel I couldn't care less about. One of the only hard facts I see is that my recline will be cut by a third. Great.

Everything about this makes me want to reconsider flying WN, an experience I've been heretofore perfectly satisfied with.



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User currently onlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18093 times:

If the seat pitch is decreased by 1" and the recline is decreased by1", isn't that a wash in regards to personal space?

User currently offlinejreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18070 times:

Would this seat be similar to LH slim seat?

http://twitpic.com/88gov7

Seatback being down becomes an issue if the passenger in back of you us trying to use a laptop. Likely they would have to tilt the screen forward.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18075 times:

Quoting yeelep (Reply 16):
If the seat pitch is decreased by 1" and the recline is decreased by1", isn't that a wash in regards to personal space?

According to WN: no. Why? Because they said so.

Plus, isn't the loss of recline and pitch made up for by the warm fuzzy feeling you'll get inside knowing you're helping the environment?

Rather than cram in an extra row of seats, why don't they just give the same number of pax they've been carrying for 40 years MORE room?! It's a rhetorical question, but I really wish airlines thought that way.

[Edited 2012-01-17 10:29:07]


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User currently offlineav8orwalk From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17943 times:

A bit off topic, but load that virtual tour on your iPhone. It's pretty impressive.

Cheers
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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5418 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17887 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 14):
There are not any O2 masks or any electrical wiring built into the seat frame on WN's fleet.

True, however an oxygen mask is required for each seat and so will be installed for any new seats. That added weight should be and is rightly included as part of the "seat weight".

Quoting N766UA (Reply 15):
While legroom is most important, I also don't like feeling that my nose is smashed up into the seat in front of me. Even if my legroom stays the same, if the seatback in front of me is closer to my head, I'll be less comfortable.

The way it appears, with the overall thinner seat, your head should also be about the same distance from the seat in front of you as it was before. And the one inch change in the recline should solve that aspect too.

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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2065 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17800 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):
Rather than cram in an extra row of seats, why don't they just give the same number of pax they've been carrying for 40 years MORE room?!

They've actually increased the number of passengers on their planes. The 732s had 122. The 73Gs/733s have 137, with the 73Gs soon having 143.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 14):
It's not just about seat pitch...its about passenger comfort, inflight service, lines for the lavs as well. That's a lot of people on a 73G!

They still have only two lavs on the 73Gs.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12878 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16474 times:
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Quoting atrude777 (Reply 13):
Glad to see Southwest able to increase revenue with the addition of the 6 seats without compromising our knee and leg room, bonus all around.

   This will help Spirit compete with the ULCCs without sacrificing passenger comfort.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 14):
There are not any O2 masks or any electrical wiring built into the seat frame on WN's fleet.

Hence why it was in paranthesis.   Those added six seats require the weight of added required safety equipment for each seat. I had the total weight saved and thus I could determine what the added weight per seat was (with an error par, hence the ~ for 'approximate.')

Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):
Rather than cram in an extra row of seats, why don't they just give the same number of pax they've been carrying for 40 years MORE room?! It's a rhetorical question, but I really wish airlines thought that way.

Passengers won't pay more. WN is *barely* making a profit. Look at AA's 'More room throughout coach.' The MRTC was killed as it didn't pay for itself. If you want more room, pay for domestic 1st on another airline. Or Y+ on UA. (It is usually available at checkin quite reasonably, but don't count on it.) You're asking a company that is opperating at (close to) break even to give up 4% in their seat counts. The first 3 passengers are completely free after the 'sunk costs' of the seat change (which pretty much had to happen anyway).

Quoting tugger (Reply 20):
That added weight should be and is rightly included as part of the "seat weight".

   Heck, I'd love to know the added catering weight per seat to truly know the comparison.   

Quoting N766UA (Reply 15):
Everything about this makes me want to reconsider flying WN, an experience I've been heretofore perfectly satisfied with.

You're kidding, right? Did you leave AA when they cut coach legroom? WN is now mostly an airline for business travel. My employer forces the airline selection. (Note: One bag fee is automatically added to the fare for comparison sake by the software. Since that software is popular with Fortune 500 companies, I really doubt WN is losing significant revenue by letting a bag or two fly free.) So if the legroom and other usable space is constant (recall, more under-seat storage per the OP link), than where is the loss?

The ULCCs take out even the recline... so WN left something for their passengers.  
Quoting chrisair (Reply 21):
The 732s had 122. The 73Gs/733s have 137, with the 73Gs soon having 143.

And the 738 is rumored to have 175 seats. (Has it been officially announced?)

At least it isn't a FR/DH 189 seats per 738...

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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16369 times:

What an improvement. I was never a fan of the carpeted bulkheads, these IMHO look a lot nicer. I look forward to seeing A/C 935 around my neck of the woods.


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16335 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 22):
Note: One bag fee is automatically added to the fare for comparison sake by the software. Since that software is popular with Fortune 500 companies, I really doubt WN is losing significant revenue by letting a bag or two fly free.

This seems an odd practice, at least in my business (which, granted, is very different from yours). I rarely check a bag on business travel, and automatically adding a checked bag fee to legacy fares would unfairly advantage WN in my particular case.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):
Rather than cram in an extra row of seats, why don't they just give the same number of pax they've been carrying for 40 years MORE room?!

It's been tried. It's failed.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
Since WN really doesn't push the 73G

But they may get to FL410 a couple minutes later on those 45-minute flights.  


25 atrude777 : Yep, 175 seats on the 738's. Same! I have four 737-700 segments on WN in 2 months, I better see it! LOL Alex
26 lightsaber : One can uncheck that, but then the company will *not* reimburse a bag fee. I would assume the default choice would be the company's call. For us, a c
27 Post contains images seabosdca : One thing that video makes clear is that pulling up carpet tape in airliners is a huge pain in the rear end! Makes sense. For me, trips during travel
28 737tdi : As a FYI, the aircraft was weighed multiple times as part of the certification proceedings and it weighs 630+- lbs. less then original delivery weight
29 Post contains images Splitterz : Looks nice and bland, with lack of space. Exactly how I like to fly. I much prefer lazy boys and mood lighting. [Edited 2012-01-17 14:04:28]
30 PI767 : Actually, WN's 737-200s started off with 112 seats. In 1979, WN's 737-200 seating capacity was increased to 118. Then, in the mid-80s, capacity on th
31 yeelep : I'm envious, especially about the seat pocket springs.
32 jetMARC : It definitely looks more fresh and I do like the bulkhead and logo very much. However, the winged headrest to me are pointless and with limited reclin
33 atrude777 : So about those extra seats: we hope to start making those additional seats for sale on southwest.com here by the end of the first quarter, for travel
34 Post contains links and images SXDFC : I am curious about one more thing, are the -300 ( at least the ones with winglets ) getting this new interior as well? If so I am sure it wouldn't hur
35 jetMARC : I dont think they will and will therefore hold off until all modifications are completed. Thats how we did it at B6 when removing the last row (but i
36 atrude777 : Not according to the quote I just posted..thus my question... If I go by these wording, WN is NOT going to hold off, and will slip them in aircraft b
37 jetMARC : Sorry, misread the quote. You've probably answered your own question then, they'll probably have to code it unless they dont care if they overbook. G
38 737tdi : Yes, most folks don't understand how big of a problem these springs have been. On the classic it's just a matter of a couple of nuts but on the NG th
39 sxf24 : New seats and new carpet.
40 ghifty : Yikes. The cabin is too bright, it makes the PALE "natural earthy tones" look disgusting. The yellow seats are puke-coloured.. and the wooden bulkhead
41 QANTAS747-438 : From what I'm hearing, the new interiors are being done very quickly... possibly taking 1 night to do. If you do all of the -700 fleet at all MX base
42 atrude777 : Little over 370+ -700's...1 night per -700, it'd take all of 2012, and just a few days into 2013, which sounds to be the timeline Southwest was givin
43 WNCrew : I have ONLY seen the video and picture and it looks "ok"...typical SW with colors all over the place that do not go together and are not visually appe
44 BD338 : Pity they can't seem to do the WiFi additions at any sort of decent pace. It's a rarity for me to get a WiFi equipped plane. How long since they star
45 ozark1 : As Suzanne Sugarbaker used to say, "BIG WOO!". I don't see any difference from their current interior. Looks the same to me.
46 PI767 : Love it!
47 Post contains images PacificClipper : Less padding does not equal greater customer comfort as the article states No. Those are Recaro seats and WN will be keeping the B/E seat frames but
48 Post contains images southloopswa : I kinda like it myself... It'll be interesting to see how these seats feel, and how the leg room plays out. Too bad they couldn't add another lav...
49 Post contains images PHLBOS : Since most if not all of FL's -700s have not yet been converted to WN current standards; one would logically assume those that have have not already
50 GSPSPOT : I also liked the way G4 does their seats... They have really nice, big seats but still manage to have decent legroom, because they move the seatback
51 OA412 : Looks nice. I flew WN in December, then again two days ago, and while the interiors were certainly clean, the seats and interiors are starting to feel
52 GSPSPOT : eats (you can say what you will but it's PURPLE), then we have this blue/grey?? carpet with some strange design, and bulkheads that are brown? with a
53 freakyrat : I liked the Canyon Blue bulkhead better however this new bulkhead design has a more mature look.
54 freakyrat : Obviously this new interior saves weight and thus fuel expenses. SWA could also save on fuel by using single engine taxi procedures (like Airtran does
55 737tanker : From what we are being told there are many changes coming to how Southwest operates, such as single engine taxi procedures like what Airtran does. Ho
56 BD338 : 6 more seats = 6 more bags (or more) for the overhead bins. I bet they didn't add any bin space. Already on full flights, I frequently see at least a
57 gizmonc : Yes you are so correct. SWA has the bags fly free program but so many still carry a rollaboard suitcase. With all the bags that have 2-3 expand zippe
58 Post contains images GSPSPOT : People are idiots sometimes...
59 PezySPU : It sound like an awesome win-win for sure, but Lufthansa Group also took Recaro's thinner seats for European routes and some passengers that tried th
60 Post contains images QANTAS747-438 : By the way, I just saw a photo/rendition of the new WN -800 with the sky interior and this new interior we are currently talking about is the -800s ne
61 freakyrat : Qouting 737tanker "From what we are being told there are many changes coming to how Southwest operates, such as single engine taxi procedures like wha
62 Av8tor : At 6'2", I found WN's interiors to be very cramped for my tastes before, this will make it worse. 1" is 1" plain and simple. They can sugar-coat it an
63 WNCrew : Really? That's odd given that WN has the highest industry standard pitch in Y (aside from B6's EML seats, UA's E+, F9's Stretch and VA's F seats) eve
64 Av8tor : JetBlue's Airbus aircraft have between 34-38" pitch and the seat is slightly wider than WN's. The E190's have 32"-38" of pitch but the seat is 1"+ wi
65 N1120A : I'd hardly consider them an improvement. Apples and oranges. That said, the OP should have said the last (nearly) 30 years. I don't see it as much of
66 WNCrew : On behalf of ALL the FA's who work day in , day-out I say NOT TRUE! Example, last night I checked 22 bags on a CLE-MDW flight and just a few days ago
67 BD338 : At 6' 4" one of the reasons I choose WN is because of the extra legroom and cabin comfort over my other available options (US or DL for most of my fl
68 Av8tor : If you choose to fly WN over B6 on the same route, you're crazy. Their is no comparison in the products as far as comfort and entertainment.
69 BD338 : B6 are not available on the routes I typically fly (I wish they were) However, tonight I had a choice DL or B6. No contest there...B6 wins without a
70 WNCrew : All things being equal I would agree with you there! Especially if it's a longer flight. B6 has a really nice, polished product.
71 QANTAS747-438 : WN tried taxiing on one engine about 2 years ago and it didn't save any money. Pilots were saying that it's a wash... either taxi on two engines at a
72 Silver1SWA : It must have been very short-lived. I don't remember that at all.
73 737tanker : Currently single engine taxi is an authorized procedure at WN. The problem with the current program is that both engines have to be started at the ga
74 Silver1SWA : Very interesting, thanks.
75 XFSUgimpLB41X : Yikes... well, like VNAV and autothrottles and autobrakes , welcome to 1990 (or 1985...), Southwest!
76 Post contains images EA CO AS : That, and single-engine taxi makes it more difficult to economically maintain the company-mandated taxi speed of V1 minus 10kts.
77 Av8tor : Ha..ha..ha.. So true!
78 Coronado : I guess this is probably the best proof positive evidence that WN is now a carrier operating a great share of their flights in the busiest airports i
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