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UA & AA Past LON Routes?  
User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 380 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2654 times:

All I can think of is:

BNALGW-AA
EWRLHR-AA
PHLLHR (briefly right after PA left)-AA
JFKLHR-UA
BOSLHR-UA

These routes would seem viable except BNALGW, any chance of a return?

How come no DENLON? If BA can pull it off on a route that started at LGW, why can't UA?

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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2583 times:

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
How come no DENLON? If BA can pull it off on a route that started at LGW, why can't UA?

UA did fly DENLHR for two years, seasonally. UA just found the aircraft was needed elsewhere. Don't look for a return for that route anytime soon.

UA and US were planning to merge during 2000-01 and DENLGW was to be flown to complement US' PITLGW and CLTLGW. PHLLGW was to be transferred to LHR.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2569 times:

DEN-EWR-LHR-EWR-DEN was a 777 on UA until suspended in 2004


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):

All I can think of is:

BNALGW-AA
EWRLHR-AA
PHLLHR (briefly right after PA left)-AA
JFKLHR-UA
BOSLHR-UA

These routes would seem viable except BNALGW, any chance of a return?

How come no DENLON? If BA can pull it off on a route that started at LGW, why can't UA?

Well these routes seem pretty well covered, except for BNA-LON.

EWR has VS, UA/CO and BA (JV partner of AA) so no need for AA to re-enter.
PHL has US and BA (JV with AA) so no need for AA to re-enter.
JFK has DL, BA/AA, VS, and a few others so its a pretty crowded market, no need for UA to re-enter.
BOS has DL, BA/AA, VS, no need for UA to re-enter.

That about sums it up.

AA1818



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2569 times:

AA operated STLLGW for a brief period after the TWA acquisition.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9595 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2558 times:

UA briefly had SEA-LHR in the early 90s.

I don't know if you count it but they had LHR-BRU and LHR-DEL as well.



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User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):

yes, you're right, and didn't they also do PAR for just a season?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2495 times:

Also, I know AA applied, but was denied, for SJCLGW authority. Ah, yes, the good ol' Bermuda II days.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3050 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2461 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 7):
Also, I know AA applied, but was denied, for SJCLGW authority. Ah, yes, the good ol' Bermuda II days.

They were denied? I thought they got it, but didn't start service because they started pulling down SJC. Also, I thought SFO and SJC were considered co-terminals as far as Bermuda 2, so SJC would have done LHR. Is that not correct?

Yeah, AA intended to serve NRT, TPE, CDG. LHR or LGW and GDL from SJC internationally. Those were the days.


User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Don't forget AA's venture north of London, with ORD-STN (1992-3) and JFK-STN (2007-8)

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25119 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
UA briefly had SEA-LHR in the early 90s.

When UA bought Pan Am's LHR routes in 1990 or 1991 I think UA kept operating them for a few years. They also had LAX-LHR during that period. I think they dropped SEA-LHR before LAX-LHR.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
I think they dropped SEA-LHR before LAX-LHR.

....they still fly LAX-LHR



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
UA briefly had SEA-LHR in the early 90s.

And NW tried this in 2008, but that didn't last...



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User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):

Also SJO... because they were trying to figure out how to market San Jose to San Jose (sincerely)


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3050 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 12):
And NW tried this in 2008, but that didn't last...

Part of that was because their slot and flight times were terrible. People have speculated the route may have worked if the times were better.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 13):
Also SJO... because they were trying to figure out how to market San Jose to San Jose (sincerely)

I assume that's a joke. I'm not aware that AA really wanted to do SJC-SJO non-stop.


User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):

No kidding, they wanted to fly 757's on the route to SJO & LIR, but instead it was moved to LAX (SJO only). At one time, they'd even talked about SAO. They'd be the only carrier in N. Cal to offer n/s service. But at the time, they were having a pilot crunch.

They were trying to determine (mainly to connecting traffice through SJC), do you wanna TO SJO or thru SJC!!


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1841 times:
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Many moon a go AA did BHX, yes?

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3050 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 16):
any moon a go AA did BHX, yes?

Yes, in fact they did:

ORD-BHX
ORD-ARN
ORD-MXP
ORD-ZRH


User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

AA also did JFK-GLA with a 75L, I think it just lasted 1 season and then they dropped it. Could've been early 2000's or late 90's, can't remember exactly.


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 18):
AA also did JFK-GLA with a 75L, I think it just lasted 1 season and then they dropped it. Could've been early 2000's or late 90's, can't remember exactly.

Wasn't that the one the flew initially in 1993 then dropped?

AA restarted 757 TATL from IIRC, Boston/Logan to Manchester in 2005 or 2006 -- selling it as a single cabin with upgrading all the elite to first class section. That strategy did not last long. Initially they were trying to sell JFK-NCL with the 757 in fall 2005, (single cabin strategy) but advanced bookings were so poor that it never started service.



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