Scipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 901 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4741 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5): The average 2011 777 production rate was lower than that of the A330. As Boeing ramps that rate, it should overtake A330 deliveries sometime in 2013.
Are you sure?
The latest I heard was that Boeing's ramp-up was aimed at 8.3 B777's per month from early-2013 onward. Meanwhile, Airbus claims to be moving up to 9.5 A330s per month...
Both manufacturers have been promising production increases for some time already, but these did not (yet) materialize in 2011. A330 and B777 deliveries remained at their 2010 levels in 2011...
Presumably this is due to the long lags in aircraft production, as the supply chain had to switch gears from declining or decelerating production rates in 2009-2010 to rising ones in 2011?
Quoting PM (Reply 4): This is the first year ever that both Boeing and Airbus have delivered more than 100 widebodies each.
Yes, and on current plans they might be delivering 200+ each within a few years. Makes one wonder...
Airbus has a backlog of 1092 widebodies, i.e., more than twice as many as they delivered over the past five years (501). It is telling of how manufacturing, more so than design, seems to have become the main challenge for the producers (see also the A380 and B787 cases).
Quoting PM (Reply 4): It's the first time ever that Airbus have outdelivered Boeing in widebodies in two consecutive years (2010 + 2011).
Presumably not to be followed by a third consecutive year...
Airbus should deliver about 130 widebodies in 2012--around 100 A330s and 30 A380s.
With B787, B747 and B777 production all ramping up, Boeing should reach 150 deliveries or more.
SASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4432 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 4): Boeing is now a GE fortress.
You think that that is positive? There was a time that a dual or triple engine option was offered (mostly GE, PW and RR) for wide bodied planes. Why are there so many planes nowadays where only one engine is offered (and I bet that competition is possible) A345/6, A342/3, 77W, 748, A350 etc.
someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
Quoting Scipio (Reply 6): Both manufacturers have been promising production increases for some time already, but these did not (yet) materialize in 2011. A330 and B777 deliveries remained at their 2010 levels in 2011..
Could the Fukishima/Tsunami disaster have been part of the delayed (???) ramp up? According to Airbus they had some delivery issues with Japanese suppliers after the tsunami
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12171 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3607 times:
Quoting Scipio (Reply 20): One other interesting fact: during 2011, the A330/A340 overtook the B747 as the most-ordered widebody family of all times.
Quoting PM (Reply 23): You are surely not suggesting that the A330/A340 are one family, are you?
The A-330 and A-340 are two seperate airplane families, with two seperate missions. Airlines use them differently, and their capacity is far below what the capacity of the B-747 is. When an airlines wants to downgrade a B-747 route, they go to the A-340 family, when downgrading from the A-340 family, they go to the A-330, if that airline flies all 3 types (like LH).
: Thank you for adding some ( optional... ) insight to the most recent year's fly-past.
: Couldn't possibly comment. I've just assembled this little table concerning the backlogs at the end of last year, purely out of curiosity. It might i
: You missed the 10 Unspecified 787's in Boeing's backlog. (870 total)
: My understanding was that they have been booked THIS year, not at end 2011, which was my datum point, and which the chart identifies... I'll happily
: Ahhh... I see. you're good then. Does that mean Boeing has 100% WB backlog for 2012?
: Dominic Gates has an interesting article in the Seattle Times. He compares A&B aircraft sales on $ values. Totally different numbers again. Sorry
: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...echnology/2017263970_boeing18.html To recap the article, Avitas calculates Boeing's planes generated about $33
: Boeing should also come out ahead in widebody deliveries for the first time in three years. Nitwit. I was doing this in a rush at the end of the day
: If you're counting the the A330/A340 as a single family of widebodies.. I'd like to make a counter argument that we should add the 1049 B757 deliveri
: Yes, but I think it's safe to say the main thrust of the Article still has relevance and contributes to the thread. I see Cathay ordered another six
: Really?! Where is that announced? Aha. On the Cathay website. Thanks![Edited 2012-01-19 23:53:54]
: While he writes for The Seattle Times, Dominic Gates reporting history is not one that reflects a person who doesn't understand the industry they are
: I'll take your word for it. I'd never heard of him till now. "Odd" as in "wrong", "ill-informed", "silly"?? One can always cut the numbers anyway you
: Yes, I guess so too. 2012 will be the year of the MAX (>1,000+). Though we might see more NEO orders too (appr. 500). for the second year in row?
: Not just the second year in a row, but for a number of years in a row going forward. Boeing is not increasing the production rate for the 777 to 100
: I think it is legitimate for two aircraft that were designed together, had their EIS in the same year, share for the most part fuselage and wings, an
: Complementing the order-based ranking of widebodies that I posted earlier, here is the ranking based on deliveries (also as per end-2011): B747: 1,427
: I created some charts to add historical perspective to the discussion. This one shows overall annual widebody deliveries since the beginning of the je