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Widebody Deliveries In 2011  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

Now that Airbus have at last released their numbers, we can take stock of the year just gone.

Widebody deliveries in 2011

TOTAL : 218 (the highest annual total ever.)

Airbus : 113 (52%)
Boeing : 105 (48%)

By type…
A330 : 87
777 : 73
A380 : 26
767 : 20
747 : 9
787 : 3

By version…
777-300ER : 52
A330-300 : 43
A330-200 : 35
A380-800 : 26
767-300ER : 15
777F : 15
747-8F : 9
777-200LR : 6
767-300F : 5
A330MRTT : 5
A330F : 4
787-8 : 3

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TOTAL ENGINES DELIVERED (not counting spares) : 504
Airbus : 276 (55%)
Boeing : 228 (45%)

Total engine deliveries:
GE : 244 (48%)
RR : 174 (35%)
EA : 48 (10%)
PW : 38 (8%)

Engine deliveries (Airbus):
RR : 168 (61%)
EA : 48 (17%)
PW : 38 (14%)
GE : 22 (8%)

Engine deliveries (Boeing):
GE : 222 (97%)
RR : 6 (3%)


TOTAL DELIVERIES BY ENGINE
GE90 : 146 (30%)
Trent 700 : 112 (22%)
CF6 : 62 (12%)
Trent 900 : 56 (11%)
GP7000 : 48 (10%)
PW4000 : 38 (8%)
GEnx : 36 (7%)
Trent 1000 : 6 (1%)

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User currently offlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Interesting that had Boeing failed to deliver any 787 last year they would not have delivered a single RR engine  


Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
747-8F : 9

With the spat with Cargolux delaying the first until October thats an incredibly impressive number, it's almost one per week!


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 1):

Interesting that had Boeing failed to deliver any 787 last year they would not have delivered a single RR engine

Woa .. you are right!
 
I never realised that.
How is this possible?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

A couple of points.

This is the first year ever that both Boeing and Airbus have delivered more than 100 widebodies each.

It's the highest number of widebodies Airbus have ever delivered in a calendar year.

It's the first time ever that Airbus have outdelivered Boeing in widebodies in two consecutive years (2010 + 2011).

Interesting that more A330s were delivered than 777s.

Boeing delivered 29 freighters. Airbus delivered 4.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 3):
How is this possible?

Well, before the 787 came on stream, where were the RR Boeings? The 757 is gone. The 747 is only available with GE. And the last RR 777 was delivered last year.

Boeing is now a GE fortress.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31011 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4850 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Interesting that more A330s were delivered than 777s.

The average 2011 777 production rate was lower than that of the A330. As Boeing ramps that rate, it should overtake A330 deliveries sometime in 2013.


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
The average 2011 777 production rate was lower than that of the A330. As Boeing ramps that rate, it should overtake A330 deliveries sometime in 2013.

Are you sure?

The latest I heard was that Boeing's ramp-up was aimed at 8.3 B777's per month from early-2013 onward. Meanwhile, Airbus claims to be moving up to 9.5 A330s per month...

Both manufacturers have been promising production increases for some time already, but these did not (yet) materialize in 2011. A330 and B777 deliveries remained at their 2010 levels in 2011...

Presumably this is due to the long lags in aircraft production, as the supply chain had to switch gears from declining or decelerating production rates in 2009-2010 to rising ones in 2011?

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
This is the first year ever that both Boeing and Airbus have delivered more than 100 widebodies each.

Yes, and on current plans they might be delivering 200+ each within a few years. Makes one wonder...

Airbus has a backlog of 1092 widebodies, i.e., more than twice as many as they delivered over the past five years (501). It is telling of how manufacturing, more so than design, seems to have become the main challenge for the producers (see also the A380 and B787 cases).

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
It's the first time ever that Airbus have outdelivered Boeing in widebodies in two consecutive years (2010 + 2011).

Presumably not to be followed by a third consecutive year...

Airbus should deliver about 130 widebodies in 2012--around 100 A330s and 30 A380s.
With B787, B747 and B777 production all ramping up, Boeing should reach 150 deliveries or more.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31011 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4554 times:
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Quoting Scipio (Reply 6):
The latest I heard was that Boeing's ramp-up was aimed at 8.3 B777's per month from early-2013 onward. Meanwhile, Airbus claims to be moving up to 9.5 A330s per month...

I was not aware (or forgot - so many posts) Airbus was also increasing the A330 production rate.

So yes, A330 deliveries should continue to outpace 777 deliveries.

The real surprise for me was Boeing getting 20 767s out the door while also moving the FAL.

[Edited 2012-01-18 11:18:39]

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9651 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):


This is the first year ever that both Boeing and Airbus have delivered more than 100 widebodies each.

That's really exciting for both! The next year is probably going to be even better. Airbus will have similar numbers, but Boeing should be up to 175 - 200 depending on 787 and 747-8 deliveries.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4368 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Boeing is now a GE fortress.

You think that that is positive? There was a time that a dual or triple engine option was offered (mostly GE, PW and RR) for wide bodied planes. Why are there so many planes nowadays where only one engine is offered (and I bet that competition is possible) A345/6, A342/3, 77W, 748, A350 etc.

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Widebody deliveries in 2011

Have you also got the delivery numbers for the narrow bodies? Apologies if this thread already exists.

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
A330 : 87

Absolutely amazing that this plane is the best selling wide body jet nearly 20 years after its first flight.


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
I was not aware (or forgot - so many posts) Airbus was also increasing the A330 production rate.

According to this article, A330 production will reach 10 per month in the course of this year, and Airbus plans to decide soon whether to move up further to 11 per month:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...rease%20Before%20A320&channel=comm


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
And the last RR 777 was delivered last year.

Correction: in 2009! Time flies...

Quoting Scipio (Reply 6):

Presumably not to be followed by a third consecutive year...

Unlikely!  
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
The real surprise for me was Boeing getting 20 767s out the door

  

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):
You think that that is positive?

I do not!  
Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):
Have you also got the delivery numbers for the narrow bodies?

'Fraid not. It takes me all my time to count widebodies.  
Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):
Absolutely amazing that this plane is the best selling wide body jet nearly 20 years after its first flight.

Be careful. More A330s were delivered than any other widebody in 2011 (and in 2010, for the record) but The best-selling widebody of 2011 was the 777 (by a mile).


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10046 posts, RR: 96
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3951 times:
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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
777-300ER : 52
A330-300 : 43
A330-200 : 35
A380-800 : 26
767-300ER : 15
777F : 15
747-8F : 9
777-200LR : 6
767-300F : 5
A330MRTT : 5
A330F : 4
787-8 : 3

And as a slightly different context, in terms of passenger capacity..

777-300ER : 17 160 m2
777-200LR : 1 680 m2
767-300ER : 2 700 m2
787-8 : 675 m2

Total : 22 215 m2

A380-800 : 14 350 m2
A330-300 : 10 965 m2
A330-200 : 8 050 m2

Total : 33 365 m2

And one statistic that I hope catches the eye is the one for a particular aircraft pigeon-holed into its own special "niche"...  

Rgds


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3874 times:

Quoting Scipio (Reply 6):
Both manufacturers have been promising production increases for some time already, but these did not (yet) materialize in 2011. A330 and B777 deliveries remained at their 2010 levels in 2011..

Could the Fukishima/Tsunami disaster have been part of the delayed (???) ramp up? According to Airbus they had some delivery issues with Japanese suppliers after the tsunami


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 12):
And one statistic that I hope catches the eye is the one for a particular aircraft pigeon-holed into its own special "niche"...

That would be rather a large "niche", I assume...  


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3852 times:
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Where there no A330-200F delivered last year like to TK for example... ????

User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3837 times:

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 15):
Where there no A330-200F delivered last year like to TK for example... ????

They delivered 4. 2 to Malaysian/MASkargo, 1 to Turkish and 1 to Hong Kong


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3795 times:

The airlines receiving the most widebodies were...

Emirates (17) : 5 x A380 + 12 x 777 (including 1 leased 777F)

Turkish (11) : 4 x A330 + 7 x 777 (not counting one VIP A330)

Korean (10) : 5 x A380 + 2 x A330 + 3 x 777


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3787 times:
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Quoting someone83 (Reply 16):
They delivered 4. 2 to Malaysian/MASkargo, 1 to Turkish and 1 to Hong Kong

Thank you someone83


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Widebody deliveries in 2011

TOTAL : 218 (the highest annual total ever.)

I was intrigued by this and ran the numbers...

It turns out there were higher widebody deliveries in two previous years, 1998 and 1999.

Highest ever was in 1999, with 254 deliveries:

Boeing: 47 B747s, 44 B767s, and 83 B777s (total of 174)
MDD: 8 MD11s (total of 8)
Airbus: 8 A300s, 44 A330s, and 20 A340s (total of 72)

Second highest was 1998, with 247 deliveries:

Boeing: 53 B747s, 47 B767s, 74 B777s (total of 174)
MDD: 12 MD11s (total of 12)
Airbus: 13 A300s, 1 A310, 23 A330s, and 24 A340s (total of 61)

Of course, the 1999 record stands to be broken in 2012  


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

One other interesting fact: during 2011, the A330/A340 overtook the B747 as the most-ordered widebody family of all times.

Total orders for A330/A340 family airliners stand at 1,563 (including, strangely enough, two unfilled A340 orders). Orders for the B747 (all models) stand at 1,524.

This is the full ranking:

A330/A340: 1,563
B747: 1,524
B777: 1,363
A330: 1,186
B767: 1,086
B787: 860
A300/A310: 816
DC-10/MD-11: 646
A300: 561
A350: 555
DC-10: 446
A340: 377
A310: 255
A380: 253
L-1011: 249
MD-11: 200

[Edited 2012-01-19 03:59:46]

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Quoting Scipio (Reply 19):
It turns out there were higher widebody deliveries in two previous years, 1998 and 1999.

Whoops! I didn't check back that far.  

Amazing to think that we are not now living in the golden age of widebodies.

But thanks for the correction.   


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 21):
But thanks for the correction.  

You're welcome  
Quoting PM (Reply 21):
Amazing to think that we are not now living in the golden age of widebodies.

Well, I think we are. The next few years will be great!

And probably 2011 was a record year in terms of widebody capacity delivered (number of seats, payload capacity, volume). But I don't have the means to verify those numbers...


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting Scipio (Reply 20):
A330/A340: 1,563

You are surely not suggesting that the A330/A340 are one family, are you? What a radical idea. I bet that will go down well here...  

You are a man after my own heart!


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Quoting Scipio (Reply 20):
One other interesting fact: during 2011, the A330/A340 overtook the B747 as the most-ordered widebody family of all times.
Quoting PM (Reply 23):
You are surely not suggesting that the A330/A340 are one family, are you?

The A-330 and A-340 are two seperate airplane families, with two seperate missions. Airlines use them differently, and their capacity is far below what the capacity of the B-747 is. When an airlines wants to downgrade a B-747 route, they go to the A-340 family, when downgrading from the A-340 family, they go to the A-330, if that airline flies all 3 types (like LH).


25 Post contains images SeJoWa : Thank you for adding some ( optional... ) insight to the most recent year's fly-past.
26 Post contains links and images astuteman : Couldn't possibly comment. I've just assembled this little table concerning the backlogs at the end of last year, purely out of curiosity. It might i
27 Post contains images mffoda : You missed the 10 Unspecified 787's in Boeing's backlog. (870 total)
28 Post contains images astuteman : My understanding was that they have been booked THIS year, not at end 2011, which was my datum point, and which the chart identifies... I'll happily
29 Post contains images mffoda : Ahhh... I see. you're good then. Does that mean Boeing has 100% WB backlog for 2012?
30 travelhound : Dominic Gates has an interesting article in the Seattle Times. He compares A&B aircraft sales on $ values. Totally different numbers again. Sorry
31 Post contains links Stitch : http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...echnology/2017263970_boeing18.html To recap the article, Avitas calculates Boeing's planes generated about $33
32 Post contains images PM : Boeing should also come out ahead in widebody deliveries for the first time in three years. Nitwit. I was doing this in a rush at the end of the day
33 jbmitt : If you're counting the the A330/A340 as a single family of widebodies.. I'd like to make a counter argument that we should add the 1049 B757 deliveri
34 travelhound : Yes, but I think it's safe to say the main thrust of the Article still has relevance and contributes to the thread. I see Cathay ordered another six
35 PM : Really?! Where is that announced? Aha. On the Cathay website. Thanks![Edited 2012-01-19 23:53:54]
36 Stitch : While he writes for The Seattle Times, Dominic Gates reporting history is not one that reflects a person who doesn't understand the industry they are
37 Post contains images PM : I'll take your word for it. I'd never heard of him till now. "Odd" as in "wrong", "ill-informed", "silly"?? One can always cut the numbers anyway you
38 SASMD82 : Yes, I guess so too. 2012 will be the year of the MAX (>1,000+). Though we might see more NEO orders too (appr. 500). for the second year in row?
39 Post contains images Stitch : Not just the second year in a row, but for a number of years in a row going forward. Boeing is not increasing the production rate for the 777 to 100
40 Scipio : I think it is legitimate for two aircraft that were designed together, had their EIS in the same year, share for the most part fuselage and wings, an
41 Scipio : Complementing the order-based ranking of widebodies that I posted earlier, here is the ranking based on deliveries (also as per end-2011): B747: 1,427
42 Post contains images Scipio : I created some charts to add historical perspective to the discussion. This one shows overall annual widebody deliveries since the beginning of the je
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