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TWA Widebody Plans?  
User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1755 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Had TWA survived BK and were alive and kickin' today, what would thier widebody fleet look like? I know they ordered A318s for the narrow body sector so that makes me think they would go for the A330, but they also had a huge fleet of 717s so that makes me think more 767s and 777s? Maybe 744s and 8s or A380s had they managed to keep JFK but that's getting ahead of myself. As you can tell by my user name, I am a TWA fan. Routes that they my have added would be nice too and as usual any responses are welcomed.


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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1970 times:

Well, TWA did consider placing a $3b order for Airbus, including A320 and A330.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/28/bu...a-order-to-airbus-is-expected.html

Had they emerged from Ch. 11, I'd imagine they'd operate a fleet like pm-United, or DL/NW. A little of everything.. but no VLAs or 737..

I'd want to see: 717, 737MAX, 767WL (retiring), 787, and 777s.. but..

Narrowbody: 717 (retiring), A320NEO, and A321NEO.

Widebody: 767, 777, 787 or.. had they continued with the Airbus order.. A330, A350.. or a mixed fleet of A330-200, 777-200, 777-300, with the 787 coming in to replace the A332, and the A350 coming in to replace the 777-300.

So, the way I'd think TWA would look today is: 717 (retiring), A320, A321, A330-200/787-8 (retiring/entering), 777-200/787-9 (retiring/entering), 777-300/A350-800/-900 (retiring/entering/""), and A350-10



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User currently offlinesuperjeff From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1687 times:
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Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):

They actually had ordered A330's, but converted the order to A318s (50 airplanes). The order was never consummated due to their third bankruptcy (and asset purchase by AA)


User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

TWA would have merged with America West and of course the TWA would have survived !

The fleet would be 01/2012

B-717-200 50x
A-318 20x (would levae soon)
A-319 45x
A-320 60x
A-321 25x

B-757-200 25x Winglets
B-767-300 35x Winglets

B-777-300ER 10x + 15 on Order

B-787-800 25 on Order
B-787-900 25 on Order

HUBS: St. Louis, New York/JFK, Los Angles, Phoenix

Focus Cities: San Juan, PR, Boston, Las Vegas.


...wouldn´t that be nice!!!!  



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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 3):

That would be an awesome TWA! 

Hypothetical
I would see A318s getting the boot around now; new 767s replacing old ones; a sub fleet of A330s getting the boot also; 777s to Europe and Asia from JFK; and 737MAX on order. With an increase in US domestic routes and growing in South America and entering Australia.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
I would see A318s getting the boot around now; new 767s replacing old ones; a sub fleet of A330s getting the boot also; 777s to Europe and Asia from JFK; and 737MAX on order. With an increase in US domestic routes and growing in South America and entering Australia.



If TWA would have survived their bankruptcy they most likely would have entered CH-11 again either due to the high fuel prices or the economic collapse of 2008. TWA was never that large at JFK, not as large as AA, DL and B6 are today, frankly TWA was in trouble for a very long time. They were done if AA didn't throw their employees that life line, however that deal AA did with TWA is probably part of the reason why AA is in the position they are today.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5314 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

They were an enormous TATL operator, and the A330 would have fit them perfectly. I think they would have also purchased a few A340s for their longest routes, which would now be in the process of being replaced by 77Ws. So today, I think they'd have:

A32S (A318, A320, A321)
A330-200
A330-300
A340-300 (being phased out)
777-300ER (being delivered)


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9503 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

TWA was purchasing 717s, 757s, 767s at the time of their demise. I am not sure what they would have done with the MD80s as they had continued taking delivery into the mid 90s. They had committed to the A318, but I would expect that they would acquire larger A319s or A320s.

I think they would have continued purchasing the 767. They didn't have much of a need for an airplane larger than that.

[Edited 2012-01-19 12:37:35]


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User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Did TWA every look into the 767-400?

a TWA 77W would have been a site to see

the latter TWA magazines were talking about fleet simplification, kind of seemed to be a good business plan awaiting orders of new types during the TWA A/C retirement phases prior to AA

717

M80

752

763



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24868 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Quoting superjeff (Reply 2):
Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):

They actually had ordered A330's, but converted the order to A318s (50 airplanes). The order was never consummated due to their third bankruptcy (and asset purchase by AA)

Re TWA's 1989 order for 20 A330s with options for 20 more.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/28/bu...a-order-to-airbus-is-expected.html
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagot...ory+for+European+firm&pqatl=google

And their 1998 order for 75 of the A320 family (and 75 options) plus 50 Boeing 717s (and 50 options).
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/10/bu...der-between-boeing-and-airbus.html

Unfortunately, the Deutsche Bank observation in the 4th paragraph turned out to correct.


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