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Manx2 Announces New Routes - IOM-OXF, OXF-JER  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Daily from 8th May.

IOM-OXF: 1055-1205
OXF-JER: 1225-1330
JER-OXF: 1350-1455
OXF-IOM: 1515-1625

Anyone yet know the aircraft type? D28 perhaps?

Source: www.manx2.com

[Edited 2012-01-19 00:51:39]


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

I have a feeling that route will do well. Now, how long before they launch OXF-EDI?   


Dan  



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
Now, how long before they launch OXF-EDI?

OXF-EDI would be excellent, it gets my vote (and with BA inevitably cutting LHR-EDI capacity post-BMI acquisition there is probably going to be increasing demand). But please can we have an airline that is more reliable than the last one to start the route!



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
how long before they launch OXF-EDI?

Well, OXF itself says of OXF-EDI-OXF:

"A significant market with over 60,000 annual pax (30-min catchment) requiring a business-convenient double daily morning/evening shuttle service with additional frequencies around weekend peak traffic. 70% business travel. Strong corporate synergies between cities, including academia, publishing, health, medical, IT and high-tech data services. Poor train services with high fares underpin strong yield opportunity with high frequent flyer base and strong leisure market for UK and from overseas. EDI is 2nd top and OXF is 3rd top UK tourist volume with 11 million annual visits."

Incidentally, it said, of forthcoming OXF-JER-OXF, "Established market in Thames Valley for VFR, business and tourism demand with notable lack of services from West London area to JER and Channel Islands. Daily opportunity for commuter scheduled service."

Source: http://www.therouteshop.com/london-oxford-airport/



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User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Anyone yet know the aircraft type? D28 perhaps?

From Manx2's website:

"Your flight is scheduled to be flown on a Dornier 228 aircraft operated by FLM Aviation."
Flights start at about £50-£55 one way on each sector, so pretty reasonably priced to get on a D28.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 4):
"Your flight is scheduled to be flown on a Dornier 228 aircraft operated by FLM Aviation."
Flights start at about £50-£55 one way on each sector, so pretty reasonably priced to get on a D28.

Thanks. Must have missed it.

A cheaper way of getting the D28 is to fly HLY-CWL, which is priced from £19.95. Coincidentally, that's the same starting fare for BLK-IOM to fly the L4T.



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User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
A cheaper way of getting the D28 is to fly HLY-CWL, which is priced from £19.95.

When it's not cancelled and subbed for a bus   


User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

IOM-OXF-JER sounds like a route with a good chance of success - there is already a proven market from OXF to JER with the charters. Manx2 are potentially tapping into parts of the Greater London market as well, as an alternative to RE from LCY or BE from LGW to IOM.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
A cheaper way of getting the D28 is to fly HLY-CWL, which is priced from £19.95. Coincidentally, that's the same starting fare for BLK-IOM to fly the L4T

Isn't that route subsidised by the Welsh Assembly? Still I am sure that's a considerably lower lead-in fare than Highland Airways ever offered.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 7):
Isn't that route subsidised by the Welsh Assembly?

Yep.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 6):
When it's not cancelled and subbed for a bus

How often has that happened?



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
Well, OXF itself says of OXF-EDI-OXF:

"A significant market with over 60,000 annual pax (30-min catchment) requiring a business-convenient double daily morning/evening shuttle service with additional frequencies around weekend peak traffic. 70% business travel. Strong corporate synergies between cities, including academia, publishing, health, medical, IT and high-tech data services. Poor train services with high fares underpin strong yield opportunity with high frequent flyer base and strong leisure market for UK and from overseas. EDI is 2nd top and OXF is 3rd top UK tourist volume with 11 million annual visits."

Yes it's very odd that the route hadn't been taken up yet.

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 7):
Isn't that route subsidised by the Welsh Assembly? Still I am sure that's a considerably lower lead-in fare than Highland Airways ever offered.

I think there were some £9.99 tickets, but then it became £19.99. When I flew it in 2007 I remember I was unable to get the £9.99 ticket so thought I'd not bother, then I pinched myself and put it in perspective that I was still only paying £20 and went for it.


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User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
Yes it's very odd that the route hadn't been taken up yet.

What about the Varsity Express services?


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 10):
What about the Varsity Express services?

That was evidently disastrous. Without wishing to say what Plym. meant, I think he meant by a reliable, proven airline that will do a better job and with experience on thin routes.

[Edited 2012-01-19 12:11:55]


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
That was evidently disastrous. Without wishing to say what Plym. meant, I think he meant by a reliable, proven airline that will do a better job and with experience on thin routes.

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User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
Now, how long before they launch OXF-EDI?

Train service has gone downhill - as far as I am aware there are now no direct trains between the two, and the best journey time by train seems to be 5h45 with a change at Birmingham New Street (joy!). Given that an off-peak single by rail from Oxford to Edinburgh is £126.80, a well-priced flight departing at a convenient time would seem a pretty attractive prospect, and given the potential business traffic potentially more sustainable for the long term than IOM or JER.



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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 13):
Given that an off-peak single by rail from Oxford to Edinburgh is £126.80, a well-priced flight departing at a convenient time would seem a pretty attractive prospect

It would seem that EDI - OXF might be a safer bet for BE, than EDI - MSE.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 13):
Train service has gone downhill

I'm not sure it's gone downhill, more that the train journeys have changed to provide Oxford - Manchester Piccadilly and Oxford - Newcastle via Leeds. Edinburgh trains seem to go to the South West only.


User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 4):
Your flight is scheduled to be flown on a Dornier 228 aircraft operated by FLM Aviation

Also "your flight is scheduled to be flown on a BAe Jetstream 31 aircraft operated by Links Aviation" for a date I entered in May.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 15):
Also "your flight is scheduled to be flown on a BAe Jetstream 31 aircraft operated by Links Aviation" for a date I entered in May.

G-JIBO will be heading back to Oxford I see. This was the Varsity Express aircraft.


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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2984 times:
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Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
Now, how long before they launch OXF-EDI?
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 16):
G-JIBO will be heading back to Oxford I see. This was the Varsity Express aircraft.

Smells of Varsity express, and the same business model. At least it's not funded by dodgy pilot fees and a school boy CEO this time!

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 10):
What about the Varsity Express services?

Varsity Express is long dead

Are Manx2 getting too big for their own market? I like their business model and it works for their niche, but not sure what OXF-EDI has got to do with them? Seems like it's more Eastern, Highland or even Flybe territory.

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User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 17):
Varsity Express is long dead

I am more than aware of that. I am just reminding people about their short-lived OXF-EDI operations, although I must admit any route was doomed to swift failure with Varsity/AlphaOne!

I would tend to agree about Manx2 sticking to "niche routes" - it's where the greatest potential and viability is. Leave the more mainstream routes to BE.

[Edited 2012-01-19 15:49:24]

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 17):
Are Manx2 getting too big for their own market? I like their business model and it works for their niche, but not sure what OXF-EDI has got to do with them? Seems like it's more Eastern, Highland or even Flybe territory.

I think you are getting confused, Manx2 are not launching OXF-EDI, they are operating IOM-OXF-JER as the thread title says. I mentioned OXF-EDI because I think it could be a logical progression once they have established themselves as a trustworthy carrier at Oxford, it is a large unserved market.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 17):
Smells of Varsity express, and the same business model.

Really, it doesn't. You are aware that the idea for Varsity Express came from Manx2, because they make such a success of their operational model? Regardless, the business model of Varsity Express was not the flaw.


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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2942 times:
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Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
Really, it doesn't.

Sorry I wasn't suggesting that Martin Halstead had anything to do with Manx2 or the route specifically. Just the same route and model as Varsity tried.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
Regardless, the business model of Varsity Express was not the flaw.

Agreed, intact the business model (as Manx2) is a good one. I run a helicopter operation on the same model. My company does the sales, bookings and customer service and we contract a third party to do flights, ops etc.

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
You say the words, I'll move my mouth

'That Pe@rson, he's such a cool dude.' Why, thanks!  


Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 17):
Are Manx2 getting too big for their own market? I like their business model and it works for their niche, but not sure what OXF-EDI has got to do with them? Seems like it's more Eastern, Highland or even Flybe territory.
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
Manx2 are not launching OXF-EDI, they are operating IOM-OXF-JER as the thread title says

Absolutely. Only IOM-OXF-JER. Nothing whatever mentioned about NM starting OXF-EDI, but merely Plym wondering if they might.

[Edited 2012-01-20 00:47:14]


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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

Well I for one would love to see OXF - EDI and hope it comes to something. Good luck with with the new route Manx

User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 16):
G-JIBO will be heading back to Oxford I see.

Probably not as it is on long term lease with Blue Island.

The Links Air J31 leased to Manx2 alternates between G-EIGG and G-CCPW


User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2679 times:
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Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):
Absolutely. Only IOM-OXF-JER. Nothing whatever mentioned about NM starting OXF-EDI, but merely Plym wondering if they might.

I've read that as fact rather than proposal by Plym.

Could Manx2 operate something like IOM - EDI - OXF - EDI - IOM.

They would then compete with FE / LC's daily EDI - IOM.

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 25, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 24):
They would then compete with FE / LC's daily EDI - IOM.

Why would they want to compete on such a thin route? Also, they would be at a cost disadvantage vis-a-vis the incumbent on that route: their CASM and seat costs would be far higher, although their trip/sector costs would be lower. It would make very little commercial sense to compete on EDI-IOM. Instead, NM would be far better off identifying niche routes on which it would be, and hopefully remain, the only air operator and where surface transport isn't a viable alternative.



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