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Flying The Jumpseat On Takeoff?  
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1725 times:
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I have heard of non-american based carriers allowing cockpit visits in flight and also being asked by the crew if they'd like to sit in the jumpseat for landing.

But the one or two times I asked to fly jumpseat on Takeoff, I've been refused flat out. Have some of you (without having an "in" ) been able to do this? And please tell me how?

I appreciate your views!




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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

I have been able to do this I think the main reason is I generally get a friend to organize it or in the letter I write to the crew generally mentions some one.

If problems happen on take off they are generally more serious then any other time of the flight, for this reason the crew would much rather have you in the back where they do not have to worry about you.
Iain


User currently onlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4194 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

I promise this is asked at least 3 times each day...


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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1415 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

From what I understand the take-off is or is one of the most dangerous parts of the flight and requires the pilots complete attention. I once heard an Air Canada 767 pilot say the following: "In a split second you are asking a 50,000lb fan to go from flat cold to giving you all it has, so if something is bound to go wrong that is when it is probably gonna happen."

I think that kinda says it all right there!

Regards from Canada,

SKYSERVICE_330



User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1604 times:
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XFSUgimpLB41X-

I did do a search here and it didn't come up with the info I wanted. But wow!! For you to come out and give that valuable piece of info, did it take a few hours to come to that conclusion?


Do us a favor and keep pumping iron, OK. Cause while those muscle cells might develop, your brain may never quite reach full capacity.

Cheers mate




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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1589 times:


I was given the chance once.
I just arrived at FRA from Lisbon and boarded my connection flight to STR. I asked for a cockpit visit, and asked the pilot if it was possible to stay in the cockpit for take-off. He was fine it !!!!!!
I ended up staying there for the entire flight (30 mins) until we docked at the gate in STR.
This sure was a great experience. Especially since it was night.

Regards,
B737-700


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

A couple of weeks ago, I had jumpseat rides on a SN Avro RJ85 (BRU-FRA) and in the evening on a SN B737-300 (FRA-BRU) both from boarding untill docking at the gate.

This was quite an amazing experience, even more because because it was on my birthday (I mentioned my birthday in the letters I wrote to both the crews).

Especially, during our approach to BRU, there were a few thunderstorms above BRU, and the captain was already preparing to divert to Charleroi airport, but he said that he would try to land on Rwy 25L of BRU nevertheless. During finals, there were a lot of rainshowers, visibility was zero, and the wind was quite gusty. But, 20 seconds or so befor touchdown, the runway lights suddenly appeared out of the grey 'wall', and a few seconds later, we were able to see the ground after all (not that it is necessary of course).

Ivan



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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1576 times:


How do you know who you have to write to if you choose this option ?


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

I have a very good friend who is an FAA Safety Inspector and is type certified on the 744. He told me that the reason for the FAR requirement of no visitors on the flight deck is due primarily to potential emergency situations.
It is even more serious with the jump seat, especially on take-off and landing. The jump seat is meant for a trained individual, who would be able to provide assistance to the flight crew in an emergency.
Jump seat observers need to be trained on key emergency procedures, such as donning the fire hood (not nearly as easy as it sounds), manning a tertiary control, or assisting the FA crew. This is serious stuff, folks. Just be happy to get a flight deck visit, and leave the flying to the pros.



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User currently offlineBoeingfan4life From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

i got to ride in the cockpit jumpseat of a 737 once...you just have to ask the right people and be very responsible when your in!!!

User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

Hi

I flew the jumpseat on takeoff an A319 2 days ago from Strasbourg (SXB) to Paris Orly (ORY). It was only a 48 minutes flight, but it was great. It's very easy to do that on Air France... I would say that 70% of my requests have been accepted by the captains.
On Brit Air, it's even easier, and the landings on their CRJs are usually very great.

Tschss.

Louis


User currently offlineHeavyJet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

It seems most folks being allowed to sit on the jumpseat during t/o and landings on foreign airlines tend to be kids.

While, most people here know it's illegal in the US for anyone to occupy the jumpseat other than qualified persons (pilot, FAA inspector, etc). From my perspective, it would be very strange to allow someone (especially a grown man or non-pilot passenger who I know nothing about), and who may possibly become a security risk, access to the front office during critical phases of flight.

While I wish we pilots could be more accommodating to the folks who have an honest interest in all aspects of flying and most would love to be able to allow that person a view from the front end. The reality is, air rage is on the rise and so are terrorist threats. Pilots are under tremendous pressure to keep flights safe and moving on time. Any distractions added to the already very busy chain of events in the normal operations of the aircraft is usually unwelcomed.

If the passenger sitting in the jumpseat had any ideas of foul play, it would be very easy for that person to create havoc at a very critical time with a simple flip or pull of a switch. These are the things a Capt has to evaluate in a split second when asked or when offering the jumpseat. Most Capt's don't want to take that risk.

To be honest, As much as I would like to allow someone who has an interest in aviation the jumpseat, I'm surprised that foreign carriers allow this to continue with all the security risks.


User currently offlineCrank From Canada, joined May 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

I got 2 jumpseats on landing yet, none on takeoff, cause I generally dont go in the cockpit before the takeoff and yes HeavyJet I was a kid when I got them. I you fly Air Canada, dont hesitate to ask the pilots before the takeoff, I'm sure they will gladly accept. Even though I never asked for the 2 jumpseats I got, the pilots asked me if I wanted to stay for the landing!!! if you see the pilots before getting in the plane, I'd say thats the best moment for you to ask

User currently offlineAC826 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 94 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

I wonder if my request on board a China Southern 757 would sucess??

User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1515 times:

HeavyJet,

To be honest, I think your 100% right. It's still the responsibility of the crew to maximize the safety during the flight. I can imagine that, if I were a pilot, that I wouldn't allow some stranger to visit the cockpit during flight, even if he claims to be an aviation enthousiast.

However, I'm not a pilot, and I' mvery glad that, on my birthday, both SN crews gave me the opportunity. However, they took a great risk, by allowing me to visit the cockpit, but I wrote a letter, and I explained everything to them.

also, I met a SN pilot on this forum, and he tried to get on of these flights. Unfortunately, he didn't get one of them. I also wrote this in my letter, just to let the crew see that I'm no weirdo. However, even a weirdo could have written the very same things as I did.

So, to be honest: I thank the crews for letting me visit the flightdeck. Nevertheless, I know they took some serious risk, and if I were a pilot, I wouldn't allow it (except if the passenger can convince me that he's interested in aviation).

Ivan



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