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Air France Suspends Cancun  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32606 posts, RR: 72
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10487 times:

Air France will suspend its recently launched service to Cancun, Mexico. Last flight is 29 April 2012.

Source: GDS


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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10504 times:

Wow another route down, seems pretty bad for Air France at the moment.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32606 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10441 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 1):
Wow another route down, seems pretty bad for Air France at the moment.

Spanish media is reporting Lima is also on the rocks, but it's still bookable as of now.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10375 times:

Necessary evils. AF, like AA, has to restructure and routes like CUN and MCO just won't cut it. What a mess.

Wonder if we'll see BOS and DTW go to DL.



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10374 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

Spanish media is reporting Lima is also on the rocks, but it's still bookable as of now.

Hmm it's a shame, I hope by this time next year they will be back on track.



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User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10350 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

Beat me with the news  
Here´s a link from a Mexican newspaper: http://www.milenio.com/cdb/doc/notic...1/91ea89398f31082436e006db2d254184
Reasons given are the financial situation of the company and low demand.


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10286 times:

Quoting LH498 (Reply 5):
Reasons given are the financial situation of the company and low demand.

So is AF in major trouble? I know they are with KLM (who actually are doing pretty well), but what is the future for Air France?



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2382 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Let the slaughter begin ! First of many for AF, unfortunately.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

Wasn't this always supposed to be seasonal, ending on 30th, as per this press release http://airfrance.com/FI/en/common/gu...estinations/destination_cancun.htm ? Or have they now fully axed it? Or was that media release just edited by AF?


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4391 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9713 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Spanish media is reporting Lima is also on the rocks


Bad news! AF CDG-LIM 5x weekly just began last year as complement of KL AMS-LIM 7x weekly.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32606 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9689 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 8):
Wasn't this always supposed to be seasonal, ending on 30th, as per this press release http://airfrance.com/FI/en/common/gu...estinations/destination_cancun.htm ? Or have they now fully axed it? Or was that media release just edited by AF?

It's fully axed; not returning next winter according to the reports.

[Edited 2012-01-19 19:04:06]


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9575 times:

The first thing you do in times of re-structuring to stem losses is to cut new / recently launched routes.... any new route is a cash drain on a company until it is well established in operation (usually at least 6 months, and up to 3 years).

Therefore, if you need to cut losses, cutting recently launched routes simply makes sense.

I dont think this is exactly the big deal or "death of Air France" that some are making it out to be....



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9179 times:

It´s quite logical to axe that ones....

Bit tourist destinations with the lowest yields in the network, using a B773ER in CIO config that can be use to other more popular destinations or reconfigure to be used in other more profitable markets...


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8859 times:

According to Airlineroute, AF will resume this service by late Oct:


Paris CDG – Cancun
Seasonal service operates until 29APR12, then suspended for Summer season (Service resumes from 28OCT12)
From 25MAR12 to 29APR12, 3 weekly service operates with 2-class Boeing 747-400



AF director for Mexico said yesterday that given the uncertain economic environment in Europe and low demand next summer, cost cutting measures will be implemented; consequently, based on a thorough analysis, the airline opted to drop (suspend) CUN flight.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32606 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 13):
According to Airlineroute, AF will resume this service by late Oct:

Yes, as GDS still show it bookable. But according to Spanish media, it's discontinued. So conflicting reports -I'd give it a few days. If it's still in GDS next week, then Spanish media is probably miscommunicating the Information.



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User currently offlinerwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8711 times:

CUN and MCO are two routes that are easily covered by DL if passengers want to remain with SkyTeam. I wouldn't expect visa issues for the majority of pax on these flights.

Otherwise, there's no shortage of discount flights between Europe and these two destinations.


User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 951 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8654 times:

Quoting rwsea (Reply 15):
CUN and MCO are two routes that are easily covered by DL if passengers want to remain with SkyTeam.

Don't forget AM service via MEX as well.


User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8587 times:

So with Cancun, AF has now cancelled EWR and MCO. At this rate we will need to start a new thread guessing what they are going to axe next!
Not good times there.


User currently offlinemadhatter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8286 times:

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 17):
So with Cancun, AF has now cancelled EWR and MCO. At this rate we will need to start a new thread guessing what they are going to axe next!
Not good times there.

Not only EWR, MCO and CUN but they're also scrapping SEA, AUH, LEJ and Asturias. As well as Chicago going seasonal. OK the US destination have DL and the ATI so they're not really dropping them merely changing them to a better suited aircraft - 763 but they are downsizing a bit.


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2361 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8241 times:

Cancun please, it is no sign of the times or weather bell. This is a pretty much tertiary (low rev holiday) route that just didn't work out. Oh well. Nothing to be sad here, defeat is a part of life.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8041 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 1):
Wow another route down, seems pretty bad for Air France at the moment.

Spanish media is reporting Lima is also on the rocks, but it's still bookable as of now.

It is highly likely that AF will suspend services into LIM either during April or May in order to boost KLM's yields on the AMS-LIM route. Also, according to the Peruvian media, UX will increase frequency on the MAD-LIM route from 5x weekly to daily starting in April.


User currently offlineBommerJan From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7879 times:

Well, who wants to fly on 77W with 10 seats abreast in Y, as is offered on these flights. I don't! I am shunning such airlines including KL and EK.

User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7792 times:

Quoting madhatter (Reply 18):

Not only EWR, MCO and CUN but they're also scrapping SEA, AUH, LEJ and Asturias. As well as Chicago going seasonal. OK the US destination have DL and the ATI so they're not really dropping them merely changing them to a better suited aircraft - 763 but they are downsizing a bit.

Really? They just started AUH. When will this take place?


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8502 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7674 times:
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Quoting BommerJan (Reply 21):
Well, who wants to fly on 77W with 10 seats abreast in Y, as is offered on these flights

- Not me for sure! My Skyteam Gold is pretty useless to me as I try and avoid 777's, AF & KL seem to fly these to every place I want to go.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7634 times:

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 17):
So with Cancun, AF has now cancelled EWR and MCO.

AUH will be suspended as well on March 5th and SEA is tansfered to DL but ORD will return to AF for the S12 season.


25 tff : SEA isn't in the same bag as the others because it's part of the JV.
26 totesen : to bad to see them go, the 777-300er looked wonderful in Cancun, i guess the demand is not enought and they can send the Passengers with AMX, via MEX.
27 syncmaster : I think it's fairly obvious why dropping MCO and CUN makes sense, neither station would be particularly high yield. I think you hit the bulls-eye her
28 FlyingHollander : Additionally KL will axe PUJ March 28th.
29 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : It always puzzled me why AF is running the DTW flight and not DL, given the massive size of DL operations at DTW and the fact that AF was a new playe
30 thenoflyzone : Sounds like a seasonal cut as well. Edit: After further checks, seems not. Thenoflyzone[Edited 2012-01-20 09:24:29]
31 fraapproach : 'As well as Chicago going seasonal.' ORD going seasonal. That really puzzles me a lot! How do they plan to attract biz traffic if they cant offer a y
32 willd : VS operate it seasonally and it does very well for them in that routine. Always full and often operated up to a 346.
33 fraapproach : I find it difficult to compare VS to LH / AF /BA in this case. VS probably / mostly attract leisure and VFR traffic on their ORD route. They are not i
34 tff : Even though I do agree with you to some extent, it isn't entirely accurate to say that AF dropped ORD, as DL (it's JV partner) has been assuring the
35 airproxx : 500 Million € Loss, plus a 6.5 Billion € debt... Is that bad enough for you?
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