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AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights  
User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9293 times:

Hi all,

According to Spanish media, AA will replace IB in MIA-BCN:

- From APR04, 5 weekly flights operated by AA, instead of the current 3w IB's 340.
- From JUN14, 1 daily flight operated by AA.

All flights will be flown with the 763, as expected. Flights are not loaded yet, but as the article includes a confirmation from an IB manager, I assume we can trust the source.

Source (in Spanish): http://www.abc.es/agencias/noticia.asp?noticia=1074925

[Edited 2012-01-20 08:51:47]

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7611 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9393 times:

Good stuff. A daily 763 seems like an excellent fit.


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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9230 times:

Have been hearing this rumor for a while in the company. I also heard the 2nd JFK-BCN 4x week will not return.

User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

Glad to see AA begin to rebuild its European network on its own metal. I can't wait to see what is in store for the 777s that were operating the BOM flight! I hope DFW-FRA goes back to a 777!

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3075 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8402 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 3):
I can't wait to see what is in store for the 777s that were operating the BOM flight!

It was DEL, but I know what you meant. I wonder if DFW-EZE will revert to a 777 also.


User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8317 times:

DFW-EZE is a marginal route for AA, mostly for connecting traffic to take the pressure off of MIA-EZE, which has more high-yielding local traffic. I'd be surprised if DFW-EZE were to go 772 again.

User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

This is great news! I was wondering where they were going to send the plane that operated the second MIA-LHR flight that BA is taking over in April. New long haul flights from Miami are always welcome.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7609 times:

Funny. Members here have argued the flight has done horrendously, yet here, a year later, it goes daily.

AA 112 MIA 1805-0930+1 BCN 763 Daily
AA 113 BCN 1130-1545 MIA 763 Daily



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7562 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Funny. Members here have argued the flight has done horrendously, yet here, a year later, it goes daily.

When will these flights be bookable?

[Edited 2012-01-20 23:08:08]

User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

From the beginning, when this route was launched post ATI approval, it was clear that AA was the one who wanted to operate it, but IB had its way, and now, a year later, we see it reversed. This move proves that a smaller airplane and more frequencies would have been a better strategy, and certainly when operated out of a AA hub, and not IB from a non-hub.

Whether the services survives daily after the Summer, will have to be seen, though.


User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

I personally preferred IB for this flight only for one reason: maybe this was just the beginning of IB coming back to BCN if the new fights had been a success, and we could have expected more destinations.

I understand that AA has a hub at MIA, but where are most passengers coming from? If it is BCN and Europe, then maybe it is not that important that the company with the hub operates it.

Anyway, good news, and it would be great that, post CH11, AA tried to open a few new routes to Europe. One to Italy and one to Germany and they would already have 6 European destinations from MIA.

Regarding BCN, can we expect new destinations from the USA with the JV? I think ORD would be the next logical choice, because it would open lots of west coast connections. As IB already flies there from MAD, they could try a 3 weekly when they have new planes in a year or so.


User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5953 times:

Any idea of where the IB A340 might go instead?

User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Quoting Markam (Reply 11):
Any idea of where the IB A340 might go instead?

Back to the lessors.
IB has already returned one A343 to coincide with the cancelling of its flights to Fortaleza and Recife. Another has or is about to be stood down and returned, as flights to Cordoba have been axed. Another A340-300 will lost likely be withdraw from service in a couple of months. Perhaps stopping the 3 x MIA will avoid IB having to affect significantly its core routes from MAD (though there must be the odd reduction, MAD-BOG for one is seeing up to 3 weekly frequencies less).


User currently offlinemoek2000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

On a random note, does anyone know which flight #'s will be the new AA 777-300 from JFK-LHR?

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5572 times:
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Quoting Summa767 (Reply 12):
Perhaps stopping the 3 x MIA will avoid IB having to affect significantly its core routes from MAD (though there must be the odd reduction, MAD-BOG for one is seeing up to 3 weekly frequencies less).

IB's MAD-LIM service has also lost some frequencies; IB planned on increasing MAD-SCL to 9x weekly, then suddendly axed those plans...


User currently onlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Members here have argued the flight has done horrendously, yet here, a year later, it goes daily.

It goes daily for the summer, with a smaller plane, and AA at the same time reduces capacity in JFK-BCN from 11/wk to 7/wk...



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 15):
It goes daily for the summer, with a smaller plane, and AA at the same time reduces capacity in JFK-BCN from 11/wk to 7/wk...

But it is still more than twice the capacity of last summer, so it's an important increase...

Quoting moek2000 (Reply 13):
On a random note, does anyone know which flight #'s will be the new AA 777-300 from JFK-LHR?

I've read that the first 77W will be ORD-LHR, but it is not confirmed and the plans may change.


User currently onlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 16):
But it is still more than twice the capacity of last summer, so it's an important increase...

If you take into account the service to JFK, the overall BCN-USA capacity on AA/IB will actually be (slightly) lower this summer compared to last:

* 2011: 11/wk 763 BCN-JFK + 3/wk 343 BCN-MIA
* 2012: 7/wk 763 BCN-JFK + 7/wk 763 BCN-MIA



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 17):
* 2011: 11/wk 763 BCN-JFK + 3/wk 343 BCN-MIA
* 2012: 7/wk 763 BCN-JFK + 7/wk 763 BCN-MIA

But if you are looking at the MIA-BCN market, they are increasing capacity, correct? If so, maybe it's the JFK-BCN market that is overserved?

Thoughts?

-Dave



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User currently offlineZaphodB From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

I guess I'll be taking my own food on board next time I go over to ALC in August. Eastbound I like the transfer at BCN better than MAD, although the last 2 times my parents did it via MAD the domestic sector was on a Nostrum CRK which they said was much better than IBs A32x which have criminal seat pitch if you're not in the first dozen rows or so ... or any row on the Vueling ones out of BCN.

Its a tradeoff : noisy 763 with PTV, generally good FAs and completely inedible food vs. silky smooth & quiet 343 with generally OK food (but getting noticeably worse int he last year or so) but no PTV and occasionally grouchy crew.

Seat comfort about the same on both ... AAs 763are are better than some others in that respect.

AA has been known to offer same day J class upgrades for purchase ex-MAD which I've taken advantage of in the past (and the food was still awful compared to IB J or BA CW). I wonder if they do it TATL ex-MIA?

[Edited 2012-01-21 12:24:11]

User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting ZaphodB (Reply 19):
Its a tradeoff : noisy 763 with PTV, generally good FAs and completely inedible food vs. silky smooth & quiet 343 with generally OK food (but getting noticeably worse int he last year or so) but no PTV and occasionally grouchy crew.

No PTV on AA 763, sorry...



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User currently offlineZaphodB From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 20):
No PTV on AA 763, sorry...

Then they must have previously operated the 772 on the MAD route because I flew AA to MAD maybe 3 yrs ago and it had a PTV 100% for sure and I upgraded to J on the way back.

[Edited 2012-01-21 14:24:18]

User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 16):
I've read that the first 77W will be ORD-LHR, but it is not confirmed and the plans may change.

I believe you might be right. I read that somewhere as well. BA also operates their new 77W on ORD-LHR, so it may make sense that AA would also put their 77W on that route too.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4498 times:
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Quoting ZaphodB (Reply 21):
Then they must have previously operated the 772 on the MAD route because I flew AA to MAD maybe 3 yrs ago and it had a PTV 100% for sure (sorry) and I upgraded to J on the way back.

AA did indeed operate AA68/AA69 daily with the B772 a while back. However, it didn't last long on the route.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 15):

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UALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted Sat Jan 21 2012 07:59:15 your local time (7 hours 14 minutes 12 secs ago) and read 1082 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Members here have argued the flight has done horrendously, yet here, a year later, it goes daily.

It goes daily for the summer, with a smaller plane, and AA at the same time reduces capacity in JFK-BCN from 11/wk to 7/wk...



And? Point is despite your entirely unsubstantiated and false claims, the route has done very well for the joint venture. And it's a winter increase as well, as winter will be 5w.



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25 UALWN : Uh? What did I claim that is entirely unsubstantiated and false? That the 763 is smaller than the 343? Or that AA is removing capacity from JFK-BCN?
26 sflaflight : Excellent news. We in Miami have been waiting for this. Now lets keep connecting the dots and bring MIA-MXP online especially since it already is an A
27 aacun : Flight is bookable as of this morning Jan22....... Cant wait to work it!!!
28 Post contains images IrishAyes : I flew a DL 767 from DTW to GRU last week without a PTV, and honestly it really wasn't all that awful. Once AA starts serving free alcohol on board,
29 Avianca : very interesting, I am sure they will get also a healty connecting traffic to the south american citys! LatinAmerican population in BCN is increasing
30 Boeing773ER : I feel like this flight was long overdue. But I spouse AA knows they can make a bigger profit it on it in a year or two once their costs go down.
31 BOACCunard : Agreed... But that is kind of a dead argument on this site.
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