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Adria - Transfer London Ops From Gatwick To Luton  
User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3032 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

I didn't see this one coming...

Adria Airways the Slovenian national carrier, are to commence flights from London-Luton to Ljubljana from this summer, flying 4-5 times weekly with an A319...

It seems the airline have switched their recently announced new route that was supporsed to fly to Gatwick to Luton...

Even though this is not going to bring massive numbers to LTN, it is quite a major coup for the airport to draw away traffic from LGW and also for it not to be your usual LCC airline that usually operates to LTN!
Adria To Return Back To LGW On 28th March 2012 (by LGWflyer Jan 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)

The airline will also offer a number of connections through their LJU hub (if you can call it that) to a number of former Yugoslav cities, Belgrade, Podgorica, Pristina, Sarajevo, Skopje and Tirana..

The flights are now bookable on Adria Airways website and found the following post:
http://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/201...-to-dusseldorf-adria-to-luton.html

I would imagine the airline has been offered more favorable airport fees at LTN... Im sure the LTN haters will have something to say about this!

I wonder with Wizzair operating all their London traffic to LTN from Central Europe (Including Croatia, Serbia and FYR of Macedonia), if it is more well known than LGW to foreign nationals from this part of Europe, flying to London?  
(Just my thoughts, and will probably be shot down! LOL)

[Edited 2012-01-20 13:06:00]

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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

Wow a shock indeed! Well even though they will be going to LTN it will be nice to know they are returning back to London in general.

Maybe LTN will better suite them, they were losing alot of money here so this maybe will give them another shot at bringing in some profit.



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User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

If LTN was worth it to LJU surely Wizz would have continued the route?

User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2645 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4967 times:
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Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I wonder with Wizzair operating all their London traffic to LTN from Central Europe (Including Croatia, Serbia and FYR of Macedonia), if it is more well known than LGW to foreign nationals from this part of Europe, flying to London?
(Just my thoughts, and will probably be shot down! LOL)

I can't speak for the other Yugoslav republics but as far as Serbia/Belgrade goes Luton isn't more famous. Though Wizz Air records good loads on their 4 weekly flight to Luton Jat Airways still offers 11 frequencies (from this summer) to both Heathrow and Gatwick.
Also British Airways used to operate 5 to 7 weekly frequencies to Belgrade from Heathrow.

Quoting flycro (Reply 2):
If LTN was worth it to LJU surely Wizz would have continued the route?

I guess that Adria is counting on transit passengers. However why would anyone connect with JP to Luton when other London airports are well served via all the other airlines operating into the region.


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 3):
I guess that Adria is counting on transit passengers. However why would anyone connect with JP to Luton when other London airports are well served via all the other airlines operating into the region.

Could they try MAN? As there is alot of competition here in London would they do better up there...

I was thinking they could try Southend also, newish airport which could open some opportunities.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4888 times:
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LGWfyer Adria operate twice a week in summer into Manchester already.

As for Luton well it will do well enough from the IT contracts such as Balkan Holidays and dare i say Shearings with the elderly coaching mob that visit the lakes in Slovenia and neighbouring Northern Italy
(Much the same as the Manchester operation)

Unlike the rest of the former Yugoslavia Slovenia has remained on the map pretty much unbrokenly as a holiday destination


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
LGWfyer Adria operate twice a week in summer into Manchester already.

Alright I see, how are they doing at MAN?



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User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I would imagine the airline has been offered more favorable airport fees at LTN...

Yep, that must have been the deciding factor for JA. One would hope that at least prices would be set accordingly.


User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Do JA also operate to LTN?
MAN must be succesful as they operate twice weekly in summer.


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting flycro (Reply 8):
Do JA also operate to LTN?

No they don't. Just LHR and soon to be LGW.



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User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

I didn't know JA (B&H Airlines) flew to LHR and LGW

User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting flycro (Reply 10):
I didn't know JA (B&H Airlines) flew to LHR and LGW

That's because they don't fly to London at all!


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4770 times:
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JJ - Aviogenex
JP-Adria
JR- air Jugoslavia (Defunct)
JU - JAT

Me thinks PezySPA was referring to JAT !

I remember JA being the code for Air Spain !


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Quoting flycro (Reply 10):
I didn't know JA (B&H Airlines) flew to LHR and LGW
Quoting EuroWings (Reply 11):
That's because they don't fly to London at all!

Sorry I forgot to say they will start in London at both LGW and LHR in the summer. According to ju608 in post 3 there are to be 11 frequencies from both of the airports together.



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User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

JA don't fly to London, let alone both LHR and LHR!!!!

User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2645 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4599 times:
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Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 13):
Sorry I forgot to say they will start in London at both LGW and LHR in the summer. According to ju608 in post 3 there are to be 11 frequencies from both of the airports together.
Quoting ju068 (Reply 3):
I can't speak for the other Yugoslav republics but as far as Serbia/Belgrade goes Luton isn't more famous. Though Wizz Air records good loads on their 4 weekly flight to Luton Jat Airways still offers 11 frequencies (from this summer) to both Heathrow and Gatwick.

You got the codes wrong, JA which you have been using is for Air B&H based in Sarajevo (SJJ). I was talking about the Belgrade based Jat Airways, code JU.
The original conversation was about Adria or JP.

JA will be the only ex-Yugoslav airline to not fly to London in summer. Montenegro Airlines (YM) will be returning, Croatia Airlines (OU) has been flying and so has Jat Airways (JU).As mentioned above Adria (JP) will be launching flights as well.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4385 times:
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Quoting ju068 (Reply 15):
JA will be the only ex-Yugoslav airline to not fly to London in summer. Montenegro Airlines (YM) will be returning, Croatia Airlines (OU) has been flying and so has Jat Airways (JU).As mentioned above Adria (JP) will be launching flights as well.

Whilst Wizz do fly Luton to Skopje no actual FYROM (Macedonian) registered carriers operate into the UK either.


User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 7):
Yep, that must have been the deciding factor for JA. One would hope that at least prices would be set accordingly.

Was supposed to be JP there, didn't notice it until now.  
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 16):
Whilst Wizz do fly Luton to Skopje no actual FYROM (Macedonian) registered carriers operate into the UK either.

You know of any FYROM registered carriers?

Quoting flycro (Reply 14):
JA don't fly to London, let alone both LHR and LHR!!!!

   But it seems that you got the codes wrong as well.

What went wrong in this thread??   


User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 975 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

Any idea why JP would switch from LGW to LTN? Is there a cost advantage of some sort? It seems the disadvantage is that they won't be able to get the same connecting traffic from LTN as from LGW (there are still a number of US flights from ATL/CLT/TPA/MCO/LAS that land at LGW). I'm sure someone did an analysis before making this decision, but it would be interesting to know what the logic was.

In the meantime, with the rail/shuttle link to Luton, is flying from LTN now as convenient as flying from LGW?


User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 18):

I can't see any other advantage but costs. They were losing lots of money on LGW.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 18):
Is there a cost advantage of some sort?

Yes, absolutely. (And probably also fewer delays.) Given the price-elasticity of its targeted market segments...

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 18):
won't be able to get the same connecting traffic from LTN as from LGW (there are still a number of US flights from ATL/CLT/TPA/MCO/LAS that land at LGW).

I suspect the huge majority of passengers on LJU-LGW were O&D anyway. (For reference, 120,800 flew LON-LJU-LON in 2010, with JP carrying just 31% of that and the rest by EZY.)

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 18):
is flying from LTN now as convenient as flying from LGW

Highly subjective question!

[Edited 2012-01-21 02:15:32]


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4238 times:
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Quoting PezySPU (Reply 17):
Whilst Wizz do fly Luton to Skopje no actual FYROM (Macedonian) registered carriers operate into the UK either.

You know of any FYROM registered carriers?

Its a fair point - None currently


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 17):
You know of any FYROM registered carriers?
http://matairways.mk/en/

Though to be fair, they only have a single B737-500, Z3-AAM.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4205 times:
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Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 18):
Any idea why JP would switch from LGW to LTN? Is there a cost advantage of some sort? It seems the disadvantage is that they won't be able to get the same connecting traffic from LTN as from LGW (there are still a number of US flights from ATL/CLT/TPA/MCO/LAS that land at LGW). I'm sure someone did an analysis before making this decision, but it would be interesting to know what the logic was.

In the meantime, with the rail/shuttle link to Luton, is flying from LTN now as convenient as flying from LGW?

Any one traveling USA- Ljubljana will be routed via Munich period.

Adria UK summer operations are dominated by Inclusive Tour package type holiday travellers as referred to previously.

Adria has several contracts with companies that that use up much/most of their limited capacity. Direct sales fill the balance.

In the case of use of Luton over say Gatwick to at least one of these tour operators it's actually an advantage.

One of these tour operators is a UK coaching company called Shearings- They have network of regional pickup points using a feeder coach service to central consolidation and transfer point. The London point is actually just 25 minutes drive from Luton.

The same operator feeds the northern Manchester service via a similar hub a few miles from that airport.

As for the train connections you can connect between the two on a same train if you really want , but as i said you won't be connecting over London from the US to Slovenia if you have any sense what so ever.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
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Quoting flyingalex (Reply 22):

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 17):
You know of any FYROM registered carriers?
http://matairways.mk/en/

Though to be fair, they only have a single B737-500, Z3-AAM.

Was under the impression Kon Tiki Skyways ala MAT had suspended operations


25 PezySPU : They did AFAIK! All of the recent happenings in Macedonia regarding their national carrier resulted in a mess. Kon Tiki Sky was their last endeavor,
26 Giancavia : Totaly BADASS lol. Something other then those damn Orange buses to Photo. ADRIA operated a few flights into LTN this year with the CRJ200 & A319 a
27 Babybus : I don't know what to say. Why leave an airport that has many established domestic connections and easy train access for an airport that is still devel
28 rutankrd : The explanation is above. The Inclusive tour is NOT dead and operators do use quasi scheduled services. Slovenian connections to the outer world are
29 EuroWings : Adria is a Star Alliance member, meaning that their main transfer feeds are to MUC/FRA (LH) and ZRH (LX), where pretty much all the connections you c
30 ju068 : Hence why I said that JA will be the only ex-Yu airline to not offer flights, FYROM doesn't have an airline so it didn't make sense to include them o
31 rutankrd : The old dears going to bled really won't care that much since they will be collected by a coach on their local high street, driven to Gateway service
32 Giancavia : Whats "wrong" with this part of London (BEDFORDSHIRE even)? Seems good enough for all the Vip's and ELAL seem to appreciate what LTN offers them. I a
33 rutankrd : Yep a lot of money and influence in the Chilterns and Hertfordshire just stone throw away. Its certainly good enough for the UK premiers weekend brea
34 rutankrd : Why its always been a second neigh third tier airport however once again these are in essence quasi scheduled/charter flights. I'll state again if yo
35 EuroWings : EL AL seems to be doing well at LTN, and it's not a charter or low cost airline! They have snubbed operating out of LGW (as a second airport in additi
36 PezySPU : Not to mention that it's not Serbia's second airport as ju068 stated, but that's what "suggest deletion" feature is for. JP is restructuring, so if P
37 rutankrd : True enough ample clients from Borehamwood, Stanmore, Flinchley and surroundings with easier access to Luton than Heathrow (Oh and Luton has the only
38 rutankrd : I wasn't taking the bait on that my self.
39 flycro : It wouldn't surprise me if JP did fly to Serbias second airport, INI, just like they took the subsidy from BNX.
40 Giancavia : Indeedy. Thats kind of a laughable way to look at it. I guess the lake district it a shithole because nobody operates into carlisle.
41 rutankrd : Who flys to Niš these days as it never was a major airport in the Tito period _
42 flycro : YM fly daily TGD-INI
43 PezySPU : Well, he mentioned it, subsidies. BNX also had/has (not sure if it still operates) terrible LF, 5 pax per flight on CR2.
44 rutankrd : YM - Ah Montenegro And what's planned for the rebuilt Kraljevo airport ?
45 Post contains links PezySPU : "“The first charter flights out of Kraljevo will be taking off in April at the latest”, Rasim Ljajić, Serbia’s Minister of Labour and Social P
46 bennett123 : Any news on flight times?. Also, is the start date known yet?.
47 Giancavia : Spring.. wed/fri/sat - 08.45 Arrival 09.45 Departure sunday - 19:45 Arrival 20:45 Departure
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