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1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12  
User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24074 times:
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Hi A.netters

According to ANA this morning was the first commercial landing of the Dreamliner in FRA!! Till now I didn't find any news about this on various sites!!!

Does anybody have some pics and information about this lovely ac?

Thanks!


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24117 times:
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This is supposed to be ANA's premuin international configured 787 with only 146 seats, and J class with 1-2-1 seating.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30572 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24130 times:
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I thought the original plan was to start flights in February, but sure enough, it looks like that was moved forward to 20 January.

Congrats.   


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24005 times:
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Quoting B738FlyUIA (Thread starter):

I have seen a couple of pictures of friends on facebook from the landing and the departure. But nothing official yet.

It arrived early in the morning in pretty rainy weather... And it departed already again.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23713 times:

Astonishing that it is fitted with less seats than a 737! They must be predicting huge yields on this route

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30572 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23519 times:
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Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 4):
Astonishing that it is fitted with less seats than a 737! They must be predicting huge yields on this route

Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215. So it looks like NH has identified how many people will always fly them and are willing to pay a premium to do so.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23411 times:

This is taken from the ANA web site for help;

* Frankfurt-Haneda will be operated initially 3 times a week (Mon, Thu & Sat) with Boeing 787 from 21 Jan. 2012. From 1 Feb., daily operation is scheduled with Boeing 787 on odd number days and Boeing 777 on even number days. Please check the operation schedule on ANA Sky Web. Operation days and aircraft are subject to change without notice

http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/eur_common/e/787connection/index.html


and this was issued last month in regards to 787 role outs,

ANA Group amend the Boeing 787 international flight plans

Boeing announced that the new aircraft Boeing 787 will not be delivered to ANA Group as scheduled due to productivity reason.

ANA regrets to take the precaution of amending international flight plans.

ANA will continue urgent negotiations with Boeing to deliver the 787 as early and as close to the original schedule as possible. ANA extends sincere apologies for the inconvenience this will cause to customers and appreciate their understanding and patience.


(1)Tokyo/Haneda=Beijing
(2)Tokyo/Haneda=Frankfurt

(1)Tokyo/Haneda=Beijing
· January 14th, 17th, 18th, 2012(B787 Operation)
* originally scheduled to start 787 service from December

(2)Tokyo/Haneda=Frankfurt
· From January 21st to January 31st, 2012
(B787 Operation : January 21st, 23rd, 26th, 28th, 30th, 2012)
* as originally scheduled

· From February 1st to February 29th, 2012(B787 & B777-200ER Operation)
(B787 Operation : February 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 19th, 21st, 23rd, 25th, 27th, 29th, 2012)
* originally scheduled to start 787 daily service
* Except above flights are operated with B777-200ER

· From March 1st, 2012(B787 Operation)
(B787 Operation : daily service)
* this will be confirmed after the delivery schedule is fixed

http://www.ana.co.jp/topics/notice111215/index_e.html



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 23160 times:
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Thank you all for your info and inputs!!

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 3):
I have seen a couple of pictures of friends on facebook from the landing and the departure. But nothing official yet.

It arrived early in the morning in pretty rainy weather... And it departed already again.

Planned actually to go to FRA with a good friend and make the photos when the 787 arrives!!! For a work reason it didn't work out and really a pity!!!

So there are no photos available or a link with a video?



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User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 21788 times:

Congratulations to everyone involved. This is a milestone as this was the first commercial long haul commercial flight by the Dreamliner. The future of flight is here.

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User currently offlineHighlandExpress From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2011, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 21416 times:

She's on her way back to Haneda as we speak, watching it on Flightradar24 now!

http://www.flightradar24.com/ANA204



I am from Scotland, but I live in Germany.....
User currently offlineLH7879 From Germany, joined Dec 2009, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 21101 times:

Quoting HighlandExpress (Reply 9):
She's on her way back to Haneda as we speak, watching it on Flightradar24 now!

http://www.flightradar24.com/ANA204

allright, the picture shown there is from FRA today!!

here: http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=246293

[Edited 2012-01-21 12:03:15]

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20636 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
This is supposed to be ANA's premuin international configured 787 with only 146 seats, and J class with 1-2-1 seating.

By my calculations, B788 ends up with a 12% lower GSM(gallon seat mile) and 16% lower GTM(gallon ton mile) than B77W in the above ANA configuration on a 5,200nm trip(Tokyo-FRA). The cabin layouts may not be directly comparable and therefore the revenue side of the analysis may end up showing that B77W is a better aircraft on a dense route.

The above GSM and GTM numbers on a 5,200nm trip do not change much when I compare the B788 to B77W at marketing seat counts. For reference, A332 HGW has a 4% higher GSM than B77W on the same mission at marketing seat numbers.

B788 when fully mature should have the range of B77W. B787/A359 will certainly help in further fragmentation.


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20587 times:
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Quoting LH7879 (Reply 10):
allright, the picture shown there is from FRA today!!

here: http://www.planespotters.net/Aviatio...46293

Simply wonderful...... Thank you for the link!!!!!   

Hope that will see more and there might be soon something on youtube....



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User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19539 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215. So it looks like NH has identified how many people will always fly them and are willing to pay a premium to do so.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
This is supposed to be ANA's premuin international configured 787 with only 146 seats, and J class with 1-2-1 seating.


Agreed this is amazing. However, I've heard, from a source that would not know, that there are routes where the freight alone breaks even and that NRT is often one of the city pairs. If so, could this, in part explain their strategy?



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18871 times:

The 787 looks so good! Glad to see it in Europe so fast!

GCPET



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18241 times:
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Quoting LH7879 (Reply 10):
allright, the picture shown there is from FRA today!!

Looks fantastic! Congratulations to ANA and Boeing!

Quoting flylku (Reply 14):
that there are routes where the freight alone breaks even

Perhaps that's one reason why some carriers are extremely excited to incorporate this specific a/c into their respective fleets.  


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18058 times:

I just love those lines in profile a petite lady of the sky, I wish SAS would get some 787-8s as the size fits ARN passenger volumes. I am sure it will be a usual sight in FRA over time and other hubs.

User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17834 times:

Quoting Hacku (Reply 16):
Pics!

That 2nd pic is great... you can't even see the fan blades spinning.  



harder than woodpecker lips...
User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17606 times:
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Quoting Hacku (Reply 16):

Pics!

Simply wonderful and thank you for adding.... great to see 787 touching down on European Ground!!!!!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32090718@N05/6738387341/in/photostream/

Two A380 Tails (one from SQ that is on the flight SIN-FRA-JFK-FRA-SIN route since a couple of days and a LH 744) But the 787 is just awesome really!!!!!!   



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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17490 times:

This morning I was in FRA to take the morning Malev flight to BUD and was competely unprepared when I passed the NH checkin counter. a few desks were specially cut off for press. Next to them there were the regular check in counters with quite regular passengers as it seemed to me. Not sure if they were aware that this would be a special flight. They all got some kind of diploma and an ANA bag with probably souvenir. I overheard ANA staff talking about being ready to bring the second journalist group etc... Quite some airport security around as well...
Unfortunately my MA flight left before I could see the 787 land.


User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 17159 times:

I happened to be passing by Frankfurt today and saw the plane:



(Sorry for the bad quality photo from the insides of a bus etc.)

I wondered about the fire truck, if the plane had a problem, but did not guess that it must have been part of the water cannon salute. Nice looking plane!


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15577 times:
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Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 23):
I wondered about the fire truck, if the plane had a problem, but did not guess that it must have been part of the water cannon salute. Nice looking plane!

I guess the guys from the fire brigade wanted to take a look as well 

Looks nice. Looking forward to seeing it in FRA more often now.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7165 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15527 times:

I looked at getting a Y ticket on the 788 for my trip to Europe. Could book on the LH codeshare side for around 4000 euros, but was about 7000 Euros to book with NH - Four months out...

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14409 times:

I wonder if we'll be fortunate enough to get a trip report out of the flight?

Any interviews by passengers per chance??


25 bikerthai : Wasn't Madame Concorde supposed to be on this flight? BT
26 Post contains images Speedbird128 : I was there, and it landed at 0501 on RWY 25C. It wouldn't have helped having a camera as it was still dark when it landed. Just a reshaped 767 reall
27 Post contains images B738FlyUIA : Even it would be dark for photos or maybe filming I think that it's historic enough to say "I was there when it arrived"!!! I still didn't find anyth
28 MadameConcorde : I was on board the first 787 long haul flight to Frankfurt which was considered by ANA as the true inaugural flight for the new aircraf type. All in
29 TheSonntag : Which runway did it use at FRA?
30 B738FlyUIA : I envy you but I guess you had a time of your life on the 787!!! Did you notice a difference from the first A380 flight (or other's) that there was a
31 Post contains images wilco737 : Congrats. I hope you enjoyed the flight and it was a special experience. The 787 lanyard can be sold on ebay for quite some money Or you simply keep
32 Semaex : Yes please! I was going to get up and watch the departure, but I had a look at the weather outside and thought to myself that FRA would be in fog and
33 PanHAM : One could expect that the first landing of one of the most modern and quiet airliners makes news in the local metro area press. I could not find a sin
34 Post contains links B738FlyUIA : I'm very much surprised about this also!!! even on FrankfurtAllgemeineZeitung www.faz.de there is nothing mentioned!!! Maybe after a couple of landin
35 Speedbird128 : If it had been a nauseatingly monotonous whinging whine about noise it would have featured in the news...!!! Perhaps nobody heard it, and so it wasn'
36 PanHAM : The media also says that the center runway is not used at all any more. there's so much BS in the media by ill infoirmed people, it is disgusting. Th
37 IndianicWorld : The 787 really does not capture the general publics imagination because it looks like any other plane really. The 388 captured the imagination of the
38 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I like being on board the true inaugural flights. Try a new aircraft type and bring home memories and a goodie bag. I can't say I had the time of my
39 OURBOEING : True but Boeing already WOW'ed the world in the 70's with the 747. Now it is all about being practical and selling planes that will revolutionize air
40 N766UA : That would absolutely RUIN the flight for me, no matter how many onboard amenities were available.
41 Speedbird128 : Just out of interest, why? What will it ?
42 Post contains links robffm2 : Now it's there: http://www.aero.de/news-14311/ANA5.html
43 sunrisevalley : According to PIANO X based on a 123t DOW and 14.6t payload the block fuel used was 48.196t. Is this close to your calculation?
44 Post contains links robffm2 : And now on Spiegel online. Some nice pics. http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,810791,00.html
45 MadameConcorde : When the gate party was done and they had finished the boarding procedure at the gate, they offered to take the press and guests on busses to the run
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