B738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 473 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 22660 times:
Hi A.netters
According to ANA this morning was the first commercial landing of the Dreamliner in FRA!! Till now I didn't find any news about this on various sites!!!
Does anybody have some pics and information about this lovely ac?
Thanks!
TR will follow; ZRH-DME SVO-HKT, HKT-SIN, SIN-KUL, KUL-HKT, HKT-SVO & DME-ZRH on LX, UN and AirAsia
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26676 posts, RR: 83 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 22716 times:
I thought the original plan was to start flights in February, but sure enough, it looks like that was moved forward to 20 January.
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1187 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22299 times:
Astonishing that it is fitted with less seats than a 737! They must be predicting huge yields on this route
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26676 posts, RR: 83 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22105 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 4): Astonishing that it is fitted with less seats than a 737! They must be predicting huge yields on this route
Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215. So it looks like NH has identified how many people will always fly them and are willing to pay a premium to do so.
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1499 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21997 times:
This is taken from the ANA web site for help;
* Frankfurt-Haneda will be operated initially 3 times a week (Mon, Thu & Sat) with Boeing 787 from 21 Jan. 2012. From 1 Feb., daily operation is scheduled with Boeing 787 on odd number days and Boeing 777 on even number days. Please check the operation schedule on ANA Sky Web. Operation days and aircraft are subject to change without notice
and this was issued last month in regards to 787 role outs,
ANA Group amend the Boeing 787 international flight plans
Boeing announced that the new aircraft Boeing 787 will not be delivered to ANA Group as scheduled due to productivity reason.
ANA regrets to take the precaution of amending international flight plans.
ANA will continue urgent negotiations with Boeing to deliver the 787 as early and as close to the original schedule as possible. ANA extends sincere apologies for the inconvenience this will cause to customers and appreciate their understanding and patience.
(1)Tokyo/Haneda=Beijing
(2)Tokyo/Haneda=Frankfurt
(1)Tokyo/Haneda=Beijing
· January 14th, 17th, 18th, 2012(B787 Operation)
* originally scheduled to start 787 service from December
(2)Tokyo/Haneda=Frankfurt
· From January 21st to January 31st, 2012
(B787 Operation : January 21st, 23rd, 26th, 28th, 30th, 2012)
* as originally scheduled
· From February 1st to February 29th, 2012(B787 & B777-200ER Operation)
(B787 Operation : February 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 19th, 21st, 23rd, 25th, 27th, 29th, 2012)
* originally scheduled to start 787 daily service
* Except above flights are operated with B777-200ER
· From March 1st, 2012(B787 Operation)
(B787 Operation : daily service)
* this will be confirmed after the delivery schedule is fixed
laxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 383 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20374 times:
Congratulations to everyone involved. This is a milestone as this was the first commercial long haul commercial flight by the Dreamliner. The future of flight is here.
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19222 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5): Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1): This is supposed to be ANA's premuin international configured 787 with only 146 seats, and J class with 1-2-1 seating.
By my calculations, B788 ends up with a 12% lower GSM(gallon seat mile) and 16% lower GTM(gallon ton mile) than B77W in the above ANA configuration on a 5,200nm trip(Tokyo-FRA). The cabin layouts may not be directly comparable and therefore the revenue side of the analysis may end up showing that B77W is a better aircraft on a dense route.
The above GSM and GTM numbers on a 5,200nm trip do not change much when I compare the B788 to B77W at marketing seat counts. For reference, A332 HGW has a 4% higher GSM than B77W on the same mission at marketing seat numbers.
B788 when fully mature should have the range of B77W. B787/A359 will certainly help in further fragmentation.
flylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 721 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18125 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5): Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215. So it looks like NH has identified how many people will always fly them and are willing to pay a premium to do so.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1): This is supposed to be ANA's premuin international configured 787 with only 146 seats, and J class with 1-2-1 seating.
Agreed this is amazing. However, I've heard, from a source that would not know, that there are routes where the freight alone breaks even and that NRT is often one of the city pairs. If so, could this, in part explain their strategy?
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1540 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16644 times:
I just love those lines in profile a petite lady of the sky, I wish SAS would get some 787-8s as the size fits ARN passenger volumes. I am sure it will be a usual sight in FRA over time and other hubs.
Two A380 Tails (one from SQ that is on the flight SIN-FRA-JFK-FRA-SIN route since a couple of days and a LH 744) But the 787 is just awesome really!!!!!!
TR will follow; ZRH-DME SVO-HKT, HKT-SIN, SIN-KUL, KUL-HKT, HKT-SVO & DME-ZRH on LX, UN and AirAsia
reifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1127 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16076 times:
This morning I was in FRA to take the morning Malev flight to BUD and was competely unprepared when I passed the NH checkin counter. a few desks were specially cut off for press. Next to them there were the regular check in counters with quite regular passengers as it seemed to me. Not sure if they were aware that this would be a special flight. They all got some kind of diploma and an ANA bag with probably souvenir. I overheard ANA staff talking about being ready to bring the second journalist group etc... Quite some airport security around as well...
Unfortunately my MA flight left before I could see the 787 land.
AirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 611 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15745 times:
I happened to be passing by Frankfurt today and saw the plane:
(Sorry for the bad quality photo from the insides of a bus etc.)
I wondered about the fire truck, if the plane had a problem, but did not guess that it must have been part of the water cannon salute. Nice looking plane!
wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78 Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14163 times:
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Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 23): I wondered about the fire truck, if the plane had a problem, but did not guess that it must have been part of the water cannon salute. Nice looking plane!
I guess the guys from the fire brigade wanted to take a look as well
Looks nice. Looking forward to seeing it in FRA more often now.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14113 times:
I looked at getting a Y ticket on the 788 for my trip to Europe. Could book on the LH codeshare side for around 4000 euros, but was about 7000 Euros to book with NH - Four months out...
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1187 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12995 times:
I wonder if we'll be fortunate enough to get a trip report out of the flight?
Any interviews by passengers per chance??
25 bikerthai: Wasn't Madame Concorde supposed to be on this flight? BT
26 Speedbird128: I was there, and it landed at 0501 on RWY 25C. It wouldn't have helped having a camera as it was still dark when it landed. Just a reshaped 767 reall
27 B738FlyUIA: Even it would be dark for photos or maybe filming I think that it's historic enough to say "I was there when it arrived"!!! I still didn't find anyth
28 MadameConcorde: I was on board the first 787 long haul flight to Frankfurt which was considered by ANA as the true inaugural flight for the new aircraf type. All in
30 B738FlyUIA: I envy you but I guess you had a time of your life on the 787!!! Did you notice a difference from the first A380 flight (or other's) that there was a
31 wilco737: Congrats. I hope you enjoyed the flight and it was a special experience. The 787 lanyard can be sold on ebay for quite some money Or you simply keep
32 Semaex: Yes please! I was going to get up and watch the departure, but I had a look at the weather outside and thought to myself that FRA would be in fog and
33 PanHAM: One could expect that the first landing of one of the most modern and quiet airliners makes news in the local metro area press. I could not find a sin
34 B738FlyUIA: I'm very much surprised about this also!!! even on FrankfurtAllgemeineZeitung www.faz.de there is nothing mentioned!!! Maybe after a couple of landin
35 Speedbird128: If it had been a nauseatingly monotonous whinging whine about noise it would have featured in the news...!!! Perhaps nobody heard it, and so it wasn'
36 PanHAM: The media also says that the center runway is not used at all any more. there's so much BS in the media by ill infoirmed people, it is disgusting. Th
37 IndianicWorld: The 787 really does not capture the general publics imagination because it looks like any other plane really. The 388 captured the imagination of the
38 MadameConcorde: I like being on board the true inaugural flights. Try a new aircraft type and bring home memories and a goodie bag. I can't say I had the time of my
39 OURBOEING: True but Boeing already WOW'ed the world in the 70's with the 747. Now it is all about being practical and selling planes that will revolutionize air
40 N766UA: That would absolutely RUIN the flight for me, no matter how many onboard amenities were available.
41 Speedbird128: Just out of interest, why? What will it ?
42 robffm2: Now it's there: http://www.aero.de/news-14311/ANA5.html
43 sunrisevalley: According to PIANO X based on a 123t DOW and 14.6t payload the block fuel used was 48.196t. Is this close to your calculation?
44 robffm2: And now on Spiegel online. Some nice pics. http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,810791,00.html
45 MadameConcorde: When the gate party was done and they had finished the boarding procedure at the gate, they offered to take the press and guests on busses to the run
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