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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

Long time ready first time posting

I've lived for Charlotte for about 8 year and I am thrilled that Southwest is going to stay.

Wanted to hear from everyone on what you think southwest will do with CLT. to give you a little information on AirTran routes and frequency.

KCLT-KATL. 3x
KCLT-KBWI. 3x starting in march
KCLT-KMCO 1x

AirTran has 2 gates

So personally it think southwest will add MDW having 3x a day and maybe LAS with 1x

So I think there would be a total of 11 flights

Just my thoughts

[Edited 2012-01-22 10:41:53]

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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
So I think there would be a total of 11 flights

This might be the first rational post I have heard about WN at CLT. Some people on here seem to think they will grow it up 30+ flights. 10-15 is were I think they will settle.

As it stands now, there is absolutely no room for WN to have more than their current 2 gates on A concourse.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 1):

I totally agree with you 10-15 seems perfect


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
Wanted to hear from everyone on what you think southwest will do with CLT.

5x ATL
4x BWI
3x MDW
1x MCO
1x STL
1x HOU



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

I wonder if DEN would be a possiblity?

Right now, looking at the US airways site, on the date of 4/24 and return 5/2, DEN-CLT on US shows six nonstops, four of them with A321s and the other two an A320 and A319. Lot's of traffic here it seems on this US monopoly route.

Only catch is that the r/t fares are $364, and that doesn't seem bad at all.

However, same flight leaving about one week from today (lv 2/1 and rt 2/8) shows a r/t fare of $1368.

Any place for a WN flight or two here?


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):

I think they could make STL work just because of all of the connection oppourtunties


User currently offlineBobLoblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
5x ATL
4x BWI
3x MDW
1x MCO
1x STL
1x HOU

If ATL is a focus P2P city for WN, they wont fly ATL-CLT at all. I doubt theyd do STL, it doesnt offer anything MDW or HOU offers in terms of connections.

BWI 4-5
MDW 3-4
MCO 1-2
HOU-2-3
DEN 1-2


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 5):
I think they could make STL work just because of all of the connection oppourtunties

Yeah I think they would connect the dots with WN's "hubs", I forgot to add one:

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):
I wonder if DEN would be a possiblity?



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):

I have to agree with you. With all of the expansion WN has done I really think they could make this work.

1x a day

I mean there is 2 gates. The way WN runs they could easily do 20 x flights a day if they wanted to


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 6):

You really think they would dump ATL down the toilet


User currently offlineLambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 5):
I think they could make STL work just because of all of the connection oppourtunties

Usually when a new station opens in the southeast Nashville gets the route in favor of St. Louis and vice versa when a station is opened in the heartland territory. I would fully expect that trend to continue -- unless Atlanta replaces Nashville's role as the primary Southeast connection point. We shall see, but I doubt St. Louis sees CLT.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
5x ATL
Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
1x STL
Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 6):
DEN 1-2
Quoting Lambertman (Reply 10):
Nashville

Looking at the FAA numbers for Q3 2010, we get the daily O&D as follows

CLT-ATL - 410
CLT-STL - 346
CLT-DEN - 400
CLT-BNA - 273

(remember though, Q3 is the busiest season and highest numbers here)

I would assume any of these could at least offer one WN flight (or even more) from CLT on the basis of O&D alone. Add in the connects, and more flights are possible.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 9):

You really think they would dump ATL down the toilet

I would not be surprised to see WN drop CLT-ATL as well. It is virtually 100% connecting traffic, which is something that does not fit well with the WN business model. I say trade ATL for flights to BNA and HOU.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 12):

Now thinking about that. You make a excellent point. I totally agree with. That makes alot of Sense


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 11):
I would assume any of these could at least offer one WN flight (or even more) from CLT on the basis of O&D alone. Add in the connects, and more flights are possible.

The problem with those numbers is that FL is getting less than 20 percent of the local market on CLTATL. FL stimulated the market with its fares, but at least in terms of butts in the seats, US and DL were the main beneficiaries.

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 10):
I would fully expect that trend to continue -- unless Atlanta replaces Nashville's role as the primary Southeast connection point. We shall see, but I doubt St. Louis sees CLT.

Agreed. With respect to the CLT market specifically, I think there's probably more room for low-fare stimulation, too. The average BNACLT fare is $50 higher or so than the average STLCLT fare even though BNA is 200 miles closer. With no LFC even offering connecting service, BNA-CLT fares are absurd, and it's not a terrible drive.

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):
I wonder if DEN would be a possiblity?

That depends if they want to make money or destroy F9. F9 doesn't fly to CLT.



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User currently offlineBobLoblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

It is very clear that WN is going to have to figure out if how much overflying of ATL they want to do to their other major stations such as BWI, MDW, HOU, DEN, STL etc. WN will have so many 100+ daily flight "hubs" that they will soon risk diluting their own traffic base. WN has said that high fuel and labor costs have resulted in less stimulation in new markets than use to be the case.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):

It is FL, do you know how many people drive to RDU or GSP, WN will do just fine


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

I think DEN would work fine with one flight

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 16):
do you know how many people drive to RDU or GSP, WN will do just fine

What market are you talking about? CLT-ATL? Why would I drive to GSP or RDU to fly to ATL rather than just driving to ATL?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):

I'm saying many people in CLT drive to GSP,RDU to catch a WN flight


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 19):
I'm saying many people in CLT drive to GSP,RDU to catch a WN flight

And how is that relevant to CLT-ATL?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 16):
do you know how many people drive to RDU or GSP, WN will do just fine

What market are you talking about? CLT-ATL? Why would I drive to GSP or RDU to fly to ATL rather than just driving to ATL?


I'm talking about markets in general. Not just ATL


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):

Alot of people in CLT love WN. But the problem is, they don't fly here. So many people drive to GSP or RDU to get a WN. Flight because of e no change fee, free bags,better customers service, etc

I didn't state Atlanta itself.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 22):
So many people drive to GSP or RDU to get a WN. Flight because of e no change fee, free bags,better customers service, etc

I'm not persuaded. It was unquestionably true 11 or 12 years ago before TZ came to town, but CLT has had a parade of well-patronized LFC service since then - TZ left right around the time that DH started, and FL was there by the time DH went bust.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 22):
I didn't state Atlanta itself.

I guess I don't understand why you are arguing with me, then. I said BNA-CLT would do well (and I think CLT-STL would too, but it's likely not a very high priority).



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):

I'm really not trying argue with you. All I meant is that there are a lot of people in Charlotte that drive to RDU or GSP ,
I wasn't saying to drive to GSP to ATL. I meant alot of people do that so they can fly to owe markets.

I misunderstood you, I do think Nashville makes more sense because look at GSP and CHS. That was there southeastern destination. I really think that makes more sense for Charlotte

Sorry for the confusion


25 ERJ170 : I can't see that as the case anymore.. with AirTran to Baltimore, Atlanta, and Orlando... as well as jetBlue to Boston and New York, there are not a
26 southwest737500 : GSP is an 1hr 10 min drive
27 southwest737500 : They didn't lower fares, they raised them, I look at flights from clt everyday. Yes they lower there fare that B6 and FL serve but that's only 5 , U
28 ERJ170 : I'm not trying to blame you for anything so simma down.. but you stated "a lot of people drive from Charlotte to RDU and GSP".. I'm just stating driv
29 point2point : Hmmm... interesting. It seems that WN is planning a lot of routes that seem to stick it to F9, but I don't think that's the only factor involved here
30 southwest737500 : I understand, I'm really not trying to argue. Personally I think t is crazy to drive to RDU, but there is a good amount of people who take that drive
31 GSPSPOT : There's another thread dealing with the latest schedule release from WN. Apparently, not much is changing for CLT anytime soon.
32 southwest737500 : I dont get why WN isn't doing anything with CLT. They should add MDW
33 GSPSPOT : I really don't either. Seems to me CLT is a fertile market.
34 smoot4208 : Actually MCO-CLT is being dropped.
35 southwest737500 : That's what I read but. It looks like it is being dropped because of aircraft repaints, there going to start take the 717 out o get a new paint and i
36 smoot4208 : While that might be, when you take aircraft out, you cut the least profitable routes. or loss making routes to paint airplanes. When WN chose to star
37 southwest737500 : If u live in CLT you would know that Jerry Orr is in bed with us air and that is why WN is not in CLT . until is year
38 FLYjoe : Cubsrule is correct, people driving to GSP/RDU/GSO for lower fares doesn't happen like it used to in the past, unless you are geographically located
39 southwest737500 : 1hr 10 min to GSP
40 FLYjoe : That depends on where in the CLT metro area you're located. From my location in Concord, it's 110 miles (about 1.5 hours), not counting navigating th
41 southwest737500 : I totally understand where ur coming from. When I fly for business there is no need to drive that far when clt is 20min from me. But for leisure if I
42 usxguy : Well I honestly see WN axing CLT-ATL as FL is only getting about an 8% O/D pax on that route. WN will simply move those passengers thru other airports
43 southwest737500 : I agree with u
44 MaverickM11 : I just don't see it. FL couldn't manage much of a schedule out of CLT. WN is going to raise their costs, lower their ancillary fees, and go up agains
45 FutureUScapt : Source? Again, source? Just because an itinerary that you might be looking at is more expensive doesn't meant that's true for all markets or even tha
46 southwest737500 : I get ur point. Most of the traffic I connecting traffic. I think if you did a 50 mile radius that is about 3.7 million, someone stated on another fo
47 usflyguy : LAS runs about 200 flights a day with 19 gates STL is almost to 90 flights with ~10 gates
48 southwest737500 : Look online on prices WN can operate 10x on one gate,that was stated on another form. MSY makes no sense at all.BNA is more logical. I read forms on
49 southwest737500 : Thank you for that. I hate when people question that
50 Post contains images FutureUScapt : I'm referencing DOT data. Airfares in general are on the rise but, gasp, that is happening in LCC markets too since B6/WN are raising fares as well.
51 smoot4208 : Also to put a kink in that, US might be able to use gate A8 right now if they wanted. FL only uses it for an RON. If US really thought WN had plans th
52 gizmonc : WN is in the East Terminal, B and C terminal are closed. B is permanently closed and C is suppose to open in April but WN operates no flights from B.
53 Post contains links usflyguy : They are using gates on A & B but at the same time, large chunks of gates on C are closed on a rolling basis due to foundation reconstruction (?)
54 southwest737500 : I know.. We're not talking about 80 flights
55 steex : I believe FutureUSCapt was referring to LAS with the portion of his reply mentioning B and C, not STL. Also, for what it's worth, Concourse B at STL
56 QANTAS747-438 : It sure is, WN does it every day. It's called "gate utilization" which is basically how many flts per day we operate out of 1 gate. WN likes to do ab
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