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Us Airways Possible Midwest Expansion  
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8198 times:

With the announcement of Omaha, Des Moines,

Do you think that us airways could expand to Tulsa or Oklahoma city

I fly to XNA every 3 weeks and then I drive to Tulsa becuse it is so expensive to fly to Tulsa. (delta is 545 rt) (US is 254 rt)

When I fly to XNA it is always full.But it is crazy that they don't fly to OKC,TUL. Obviously the route would be flown to CLT. PHL just doesn't make a whole lot of sense just because distance

Ex. Say your flying from TUL-MCO. it doesn't make any sense to go to PHL then MCO..CLT location makes the most logic

You could argue PHX but I think the route is suturated with WN direct flight from TUL and OKC

Just my 2 cents

[Edited 2012-01-22 11:24:14]

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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

US used to served OKC from PHX in the mid-2000's, but was axed, likely because of WN's presence on the route. I would think the most likely candidates for restart is 1st, OKC, then TUL, with PHX and CLT. OKC just has more volume these days, but I agree, that it's sort of crazy that US does not serve either of these two mid-sized cities, especially with LIT and XNA are served. A lot of people would say that they need to start PHX first, but I might argue that they gain some ground with a CLT route from OKC first and get their name in the Oklahoma community, before trying to attack WN.

BTW, Oklahoma is considered part of the "South" by the US Census Bureau, and is sometimes considered part of the "Southwest", but we are not part of the Midwest.

UAL

[Edited 2012-01-22 12:46:34]

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7960 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):

Good,points

It's just funny how XNA is there destination and not TUL or OKC, I know Walmart is there but


User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

I would love to see US in TUL so I could use my US miles. But TUL is a WN city, and historically speaking US doesn't do well in a city when WN is there competing with them so I'm not optimistic.

BTW, Oklahoma is in the SOUTHWEST, not the midwest.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1298 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

OKC, TUL, and GRR are really the biggest holes domestically speaking from US' hub in CLT. I agree with others that you will see OKC before TUL though.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

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Sorry about that. Ill correct that


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 3):

I have to disagree withu. Look WN in PHL. us airways defended its turf. Also there doing just fine in PHX.

WN is getting really expensive. I think they are. I know we're not in the early 2000s but it is ridiculous when I look at WN routes and prices and delta is more cheaper or us airways is more cheaper


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 6):
us airways defended its turf. Also there doing just fine in PHX

Yeah, those are US mega hubs though, it's different when you have a midsized city like OKC or TUL where WN has had a large presence already. It's not a WN hub however, and that is the difference. Though I don't think it's just US, all airlines sort of fear WN in small to medium market cities, as that is WN's bread and butter.

UAL


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7156 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 7):

Look at Boise. US hasent pulled out yet, I understand ur point.

But I don't think US is scared of WN


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 8):
But I don't think US is scared of WN

No, I didn't mean they were, but they are a hard force to be reckoned with in these types of markets. I believe WN was the reason they pulled the PHX flight a few years back in the first place.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 9):

Agreed. US is pretty weak in those markets


User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

didn't YV fly as HPX to OKC from PHX twice a day up to 2009-ish?


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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

Quoting usxguy (Reply 11):

Yes.


User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6463 times:

There is one easy way for US to expand their Midwest Expansion.

AA

 



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6399 times:

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 13):

Yep, my dad and I were just talking about that


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 6168 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 3):

BTW, Oklahoma is in the SOUTHWEST, not the midwest.

Draw a line down the center of the lower 48. It goes straight through OK, maybe slightly east depending on how you "see" the US.

It's in the South, and it's west of the Mississippi, but it's not Southwest, not to us in the real Southwest anyways  
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 7):
Yeah, those are US mega hubs though,

I would hardly classify PHX as an untouchable "megahub". US does extremely well going to Mexico, Hawaii, and some major cities in the East (JFK, ORD, and obviously the PHL and CLT hubs), but everywhere else faces pretty stiff competition from WN. ATL (DL,FL), DFW(AA), MSP, and DTW (DL) also have good competition.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 6103 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
Draw a line down the center of the lower 48. It goes straight through OK, maybe slightly east depending on how you "see" the US.

Draw a Horizontal line through the middle of the United States, it goes above Oklahoma. US census defines it as part of the south, most Oklahomans call it the Southwest. It is NOT part of the Midwest. Midwest is Kansas north to the Great Lakes region.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
I would hardly classify PHX as an untouchable "megahub". US does extremely well going to Mexico, Hawaii, and some major cities in the East (JFK, ORD, and obviously the PHL and CLT hubs), but everywhere else faces pretty stiff competition from WN. ATL (DL,FL), DFW(AA), MSP, and DTW (DL) also have good competition.

It is US's hub, no doubt, and US has "owned that area" so to speak, for a very long time, since they own America West. They have deep seated routes at that airport, as does AA at DFW, UA at ORD, DL at ATL, etc. The hubs provide feed for WN's network, whereas small to medium cities require people actually heading to the respective cities, not transiting as well.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
BTW, Oklahoma is in the SOUTHWEST, not the midwest.

Draw a line down the center of the lower 48. It goes straight through OK, maybe slightly east depending on how you "see" the US.

No different when people say Detroit is in the Midwest - nothing Mid or West about Detroit, if you divided lower 48 in 4 quarters it would be in the northeast if anything


User currently offlinePA727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 4654 times:
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Okay, so here's my trade offer. US to Tul in exchange for WN. Just to be generous, I'll throw in G4 

In all seriousness, it is odd that US serves XNA but not TUL or OKC.


User currently offlinemichiganatc From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):

Funny you mentioned this, our airport (GRR) met with US Airways about 6 months ago regarding CLT service. We'll see...


User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 19):
Funny you mentioned this, our airport (GRR) met with US Airways about 6 months ago regarding CLT service. We'll see...

I wondered with the DL/US slot swap if US would fly GRR-DCA (like DL did) and maybe add CLT in there too, to make the station more viable. Not that GRR is hurting for airlines, but it would be neat to have US come back!



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User currently offlineHONDAH35 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Quoting usxguy (Reply 11):
didn't YV fly as HPX to OKC from PHX twice a day up to 2009-ish?

They might have flown to OKC from PHX at one time but there is no way it was up until 2009. Actually that was the year they finally cancelled ICT from PHX.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting HONDAH35 (Reply 21):
They might have flown to OKC from PHX at one time but there is no way it was up until 2009. Actually that was the year they finally cancelled ICT from PHX.

PHX-OKC ceased operation in September 2008.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

US also had flight to LAS as well did alright until WN started it as well. However, G4 stepped out first before US finally gave in. WN is just extremely dominate in OKC even with higher fares than others. They have an extremely loyal following and employ somewhere around 800 people in the city.

Depend on what happens with the potential takeover of AA will drive on what they do in the Midwest (and yes I agree, we aren't in the midwest down here LOL). I think later this year and 2013 will probably be interesting times for US when it comes to filling in the gaps.


User currently offlinemichiganatc From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting Web (Reply 20):
I wondered with the DL/US slot swap if US would fly GRR-DCA (like DL did) and maybe add CLT in there too, to make the station more viable. Not that GRR is hurting for airlines, but it would be neat to have US come back!

Delta still has 1 CRJ a day ( 5 days a week) to DCA.

Frontier has 1 A319 a day (I believe 4 or 5 days a week) to DCA.

Lansing (LAN) also has a Sun Country B738 a few times a week to DCA, and they're only an hour drive from here.


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