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American Air Flight Rocked By Turbulence  
User currently offlineMark2Fly1034 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 135 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 14077 times:

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/01/23...ght-rocked-by-turbulence-six-hurt/

It appears a large hole was formed by the drink cart...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20120123/1225Z/SBSV/SBRF

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 14045 times:

"giant hole in the ceiling of the plane caused by a flying cart??"
Wow, I have heard in the past those carts bouncing around but hitting the ceiling??


User currently offlinestandby87 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 13806 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Wow, I have heard in the past those carts bouncing around but hitting the ceiling??

Yep, it's happened before and will happen again. Those carts are not light...


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12179 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 13695 times:

The passenger said when the cart came back down, it fell atop a FA who got injured because of the cart. This is just another reason why I always wear my seat belt in flight.

It is also a testoment to the strenght of the B-757.   


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1932 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 13529 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
This is just another reason why I always wear my seat belt in flight.

   The only time I ever remove my seatbelt is when I'm going to the lav or if I'm getting something out of the overhead compartment. I don't have much sympathy for people that are injured because they didn't feel like wearing their seatbelt. They suggest you always wear your seatbelt in-flight during the safety demonstration for a reason.

Hoping that the FA(s) can make a quick recovery.



Flying refined.
User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 13299 times:

Is this another case of clear-air turbulence? Unpredictable and it can be very severe, thankfully these types of incidents are rare but it is always a good idea to wear seatbelts at all times, unless working (which puts you in harm's way all the time) or going to the lav/stretching the legs.

What I cannot understand is that this aircraft was two hours in to the flight, the turbulence occurred with injuries to crew and passengers, and yet it continued on to MIA? Did I read that correctly? Why wouldn't it have diverted to the nearest safe airport so these persons could receive medical treatment?



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 13212 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 5):
What I cannot understand is that this aircraft was two hours in to the flight, the turbulence occurred with injuries to crew and passengers, and yet it continued on to MIA? Did I read that correctly? Why wouldn't it have diverted to the nearest safe airport so these persons could receive medical treatment?

There were 2 doctors on board, one of which was an ER doctor. I'd assume that between them they made the diagnosis that it was ok to continue to the U.S to receive treatment there.....



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 13212 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 5):
Why wouldn't it have diverted to the nearest safe airport so these persons could receive medical treatment?

The report says there was an ER doctor onboard, I guess he and the Captain discussed a course of action after the event maybe.



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 13129 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 6):
There were 2 doctors on board, one of which was an ER doctor. I'd assume that between them they made the diagnosis that it was ok to continue to the U.S to receive treatment there.....
Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 7):
The report says there was an ER doctor onboard, I guess he and the Captain discussed a course of action after the event maybe

No doubt you are both correct - but makes me think the "hole in the ceiling" was not very serious, probably just damage to cabin paneling... Glad I wasn't on this flight!



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 12594 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 5):
Why wouldn't it have diverted to the nearest safe airport so these persons could receive medical treatment?

If there were no immediately life-threatening injuries, MIA may well have been the best option for medical treatment. The flight path takes you near French Guiana, Suriname, Guyana, Venezuela, some small Caribbean islands, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba. Unless I was in imminent danger, I think I'd rather make it to the U.S. (or back to Brazil) for treatment than to make an unscheduled stop in any of those places...


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 12311 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
If there were no immediately life-threatening injuries, MIA may well have been the best option for medical treatment. The flight path takes you near French Guiana, Suriname, Guyana, Venezuela, some small Caribbean islands, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba. Unless I was in imminent danger, I think I'd rather make it to the U.S. (or back to Brazil) for treatment than to make an unscheduled stop in any of those places...

SXM has a medical college - I see advertisements for it on the NYC Subway all the time!

I suspect you are all right though. If it was truly life-threatening, then the flight would have diverted and the injured off-loaded and it is as simple as that. I guess the aircraft damage wasn't deemed worthy of diverting either.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 11910 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 5):
What I cannot understand is that this aircraft was two hours in to the flight, the turbulence occurred with injuries to crew and passengers, and yet it continued on to MIA? Did I read that correctly? Why wouldn't it have diverted to the nearest safe airport so these persons could receive medical treatment?
Quoting richierich (Reply 10):
SXM has a medical college - I see advertisements for it on the NYC Subway all the time!

With doctors on the aircraft, and given the planes location with 2 hours to go it was probably the best move. Unless it is a serious emergency that needs immediate medical attention I am sure everyone from the pilots, doctors, airline and the injured passengers and crew would prefer to go to Miami instead of an island in the Caribbean. A diversion would have mode it more difficult and costly and time consuming for everyone. Some of the injuries were treated at the airport, does not seem like anything would be very serious thankfully. I would rather have my broken arm taken care of back in the US or at least a place which is the destination of the flight making the whole process much easier.

I am sure if anyone had some serious injuries or symptoms of head trauma etc.. They would have diverted to a the nearest sufficient airport/country.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 11161 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Wow, I have heard in the past those carts bouncing around but hitting the ceiling??

Here is a clue, the cart did not hit the plane, the plane hit the cart.

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
I am sure if anyone had some serious injuries or symptoms of head trauma etc.. They would have diverted to a the nearest sufficient airport/country.
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):
The only time I ever remove my seatbelt is when I'm going to the lav or if I'm getting something out of the overhead compartment. I don't have much sympathy for people that are injured because they didn't feel like wearing their seatbelt. They suggest you always wear your seatbelt in-flight during the safety demonstration for a reason.

Wearing a seat belt makes you part of the safety system designed into the seat good for 16g's these days I believe.

Just do not order anything to eat that you can not wear in case of in flight turbulence. Guacamole comes to mind

Okie


User currently offlinetan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
It is also a testament to the strenght of the B-757.  

Yup..for sure on that KC 135...in over 40 years of jet travel the worst clear air turbulence was on an AA 757 from Lima to MIA, or Ecuador in December of 1990. All kinds of stuff slammed around also.

The 757 is a tough bird, not quite to DC standards, but darn close.


User currently offlineusafdo From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 9533 times:

How man F/A's are assigned to work this flight (including purser) ?

User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7627 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 9384 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
The passenger said when the cart came back down, it fell atop a FA who got injured because of the cart.

A safety question, there are emergency lights in the floor of the plane, how about having a sunken track in the floor for the carts, usually the aisles are just large enough for the cart. The track could ensure that the carts stay grounded and do not even fall over.

Just a thought.


User currently offlinedon0245 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 9274 times:
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I have always worn my seatbelt and I have been flying since 1962 and had many in flight BURPS! Err on the side of caution always and have never had a problem. My first flight was on a TWA frm PIT to Ord, then BN from ORD to SAT 1962. That converted me to flying. Have flown on Super Connies, CV440's, CV580's (My favorite), DC9-15 TWA(with 2 passengers EWR-MDT), DC-9-30/40/50/80/90, DC8's (awesome acft,), Boeing 720, 707, 747, 727, 737, 757, 767 (my favorite) 747, AB320, AB300 and Lockheed Electras which were awesome. Love B6 and UA, a little turbulence makes my flight.

User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 15):
A safety question, there are emergency lights in the floor of the plane, how about having a sunken track in the floor for the carts, usually the aisles are just large enough for the cart. The track could ensure that the carts stay grounded and do not even fall over.


Good call but generally most turbulence events are predicted and cabin service is suspended, however you still are not dealing with the F/A's exposure. Broken/Sprained ankles and torn ligaments are probably the major cause of injuries to F/A's due to the abrupt g forces imposed from turbulence trolley or no trolley.

Okie


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 15):

That could most definetly work. But based on the chances of serious injury from the carts from completely unexpected turbulence it is not worth the cost at all for the airlines in the added weight. Remebr just taking off newspapers on an airliners can save millions of dollars in fuel in the long run.



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6593 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 6367 times:
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The info. that I have is that it was actually the FA pushing the cart that caused the hole in the ceiling, not the cart. That FA was lucky no to to have broken her neck, in my opinion.

Now the flight actually continued to MIA for 6 more hrs. so I concurr that the injuries must not have been serious because there were a number of airports in the Brazilian NorthEast that the plane could have diverted to with suitable emergency medical services, such as Fortaleza, Belen, Natal, etc.

I am not that callous, though, as to say that the service on the plane would have suiffered but if you have 6 FAs as on these flight and 3 are injured enough as to have needed to be taken to a hospital upon arrival at MIA, then how are you still legal to fly, given FAs/passenger requirements for emergencies? I´m not familiar with the regulations that´s why I ask.


User currently offlineTinosky From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):

I remember a flight I was on in Northern Canada. I was a crew man for a small airline working on the Hawker HS 748. I had my lunchbox on my lap while in the Jump seat. We hit clear air turbulence so bad, my lunchbox flew up and hit me in the head, totally knocking me out.

I couldn't believe something as small as a lunchbox could do that, but it happened. From that point on, I made sure i used a paper bag for my lunches  

Kidding aside, I hope the crew were alright and wish a speedy recovery. Every object becomes dangerous in these situations. Hence the reason why we used so many cargo straps on our cargo. Etc.

Let's just say we all had a chuckle after a bag of ice and some aspirin  

Tinosky.


User currently offlineluganopirate From Switzerland, joined Apr 2010, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 5413 times:
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I read the doctor had stabilised the injured and so the Captain decided best course of action was to fly on.

Can anyone tell me just how far the plane actually drops in this type of situation and what causes it to drop?


User currently offlinehamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1161 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Wow, I have heard in the past those carts bouncing around but hitting the ceiling??

They do! i experienced that kind of turbelance, and its not pretty at all.

Quoting standby87 (Reply 2):
Yep, it's happened before and will happen again. Those carts are not light...

  

Absolutely!! especially those ones that are full of crockery and china...

A lot of people tend to forget when they get on the airplane that they are not on the ground anymore, and that they are way up there. Any thing can happen.



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Wishing a speedy recovery to our fellow FA's over @ AA .

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