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AF S12 Equip. / Freq. Changes  
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

For the summer season 2012 (compared to S11) :

MIA : 1 x Daily B77W (iso B744)

GIG : 1 x Daily A332 + 1 x Daily B744 (iso B77W)

BEY : 1 x Daily B77W + 1 x Daily B772ER (iso A332)

SFO : 1 x Daily B744 (iso A380) + 1 x Daily B772ER (iso 3 x Weekly A343)

LAX : 1 x Daily A380 + 5 x Weekly B772ER + 3 x Weekly B772ER (continuing to PPT).

NRT : 1 x Daily A380 (iso B77W) + 1 x Daily B77W

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User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Thank you FlySSC. Furthermore AF by Regional to start some new seasonal services ( on saturdays ) :

BIQ - NTE E70
BIQ - SXB E70
LYS - NAP E90
LYS - SOU E90
NTE - SOU E70
SXB - VCE ER4

http://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/F...r/common/home/vols/billet-avion.do



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

2 new A380 will be added to the fleet in March (F-HPJG) and April (F-HPJH) and will enable AF to start LAX and restart NRT.

AF A380 destinations for the S12 will be Daily JFK, LAX, IAD, YUL, JNB, & NRT.
PVG is expected for W12/13. GRU & GIG were also planned but should be delayed as AF will postpone the delivery of its 2 next A380 as part of its cost saving plan.


User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Alsatian, where did you get the info from about the SOU services? just looked on AF website and it says no flights available

User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

These SOU flights are good. Flights loaded into Amadeus, but £700 LYS-SOU return.

User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2049 times:
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What is the main purpose of the B747 in the AF fleet? They will remain in their fleet until 2016 I have heard? Isn't it more logical to replace them with some additional B77W and A380s?

User currently onlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2685 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Thanks for the update.

What is the status of the refurbishment of the 744s?



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User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting european742 (Reply 3):
Alsatian, where did you get the info from about the SOU services? just looked on AF website and it says no flights available


These are seasonal flights. Check from june 30th to sept 1st.

Regards



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1760 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
GIG : 1 x Daily A332 + 1 x Daily B744 (iso B77W)
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
PVG is expected for W12/13. GRU & GIG were also planned but should be delayed as AF will postpone the delivery of its 2 next A380 as part of its cost saving plan.

Thans FlySSC. GIG will be ready by the end of year (runway, taxiways and gates) for the A380 as requested by AF.
Runway improvement is under way right now. GRU seems to be used as it is now (with few updates).
AFAIK, AF expects to use the giant to Brazil during Brazilian Summer 2012/2013 when activity on US-Europe isn't so
strong.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlinemindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
AF A380 destinations for the S12 will be Daily JFK, LAX, IAD, YUL, JNB, & NRT.

Not that much Asian destination, huh? besides PVG, what about PEK, HKG or SIN?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
GIG will be ready by the end of year (runway, taxiways and gates) for the A380 as requested by AF.

Good for GIG, but this is a surprise. Does it mean GIG will receive F class service from AF or will AF have a second A388 config without F?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1700 times:
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Quoting mindscape (Reply 9):
Good for GIG, but this is a surprise. Does it mean GIG will receive F class service from AF or will AF have a second A388 config without F?

Probably the A388 with F , but this is not a surprise at all. GIG has been always a very strong performer for AF and this can be explained by an interesting mix of tourism, VFR and business.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 5):
What is the main purpose of the B747 in the AF fleet? They will remain in their fleet until 2016 I have heard? Isn't it more logical to replace them with some additional B77W and A380s?

The armchair CEO in me thinks that now with the financial struggle and cost-cutting plans is a good time to get rid of them. Although there will be some pilots to be retrained on another type as a result.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
AF A380 destinations for the S12 will be Daily JFK, LAX, IAD, YUL, JNB, & NRT.
PVG is expected for W12/13. GRU & GIG were also planned but should be delayed as AF will postpone the delivery of its 2 next A380 as part of its cost saving plan.

And although I am aware that they have different configurations and serve different markets, the armchair CEO in me is also puzzled why they would delay delivery of 2 A380s while keeping 7 or so obsolete gas-guzzling 744s.... fleet streamline! Or maybe AF is really THAT short of cash and really cannot afford buying ay new plane right now.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 6):
What is the status of the refurbishment of the 744s?

Wow, really, are they going to be refurbished?



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User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Found those SOU flights, I must say, only £126 return to LYS, not bad at all. Wonder what they are like now, been a couple of years since we had them and then it was a fiasco so not really sure if its a good thing to have them back. Wonder if BE will codeshare since LYS and NTE are 2 destinations not served by BE

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 1357 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 6):
What is the status of the refurbishment of the 744s?
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 11):
Wow, really, are they going to be refurbished?

The renovation of the 4 B744 concerned will start next month. All of them should be fully refurbished by the end of 2012 with new seats in J & Y and the brand new Panasonic IFE system with AVOD & PTV in all classes (J/Y).

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 5):
What is the main purpose of the B747 in the AF fleet? They will remain in their fleet until 2016 I have heard? Isn't it more logical to replace them with some additional B77W and A380s?

The main purpose is to save money by delaying the investment in new aircraft to replace them.
A fleet of 7 B744 will finally be kept in service until 2016/2017. Those airframes are in good condition, fully paid, well maintained and still can do the job for another 4 or 5 years.

The B777 and A380 AF will receive in the meantime will be use for growth, and not to replace them on a 1 or 1 basis as planned initially.

Quoting mindscape (Reply 9):
Not that much Asian destination, huh? besides PVG, what about PEK, HKG or SIN?

With only 12 A380 ordered, AF has to make a choice. PEK, HKG, or SIN are all potential A380 destinations ... but the priority goes to best market where AF makes money, and Brazil is much more profitable than Asia on this subject.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
AFAIK, AF expects to use the giant to Brazil during Brazilian Summer 2012/2013 when activity on US-Europe isn't so
strong.

Correct.
Actualy, the 2 A380 that AF delayed to 2015/2016 are not the N°9 & N°10 but the N°11 & N°12.

N°9 ( msn 104 F-HPJI) & N°10 (msn 117 F-HPJK) will be delivered as planned in 2013.

Quoting mindscape (Reply 9):
Good for GIG, but this is a surprise. Does it mean GIG will receive F class service from AF or will AF have a second A388 config without F?

There is no plan to have a special A380 config without F.


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