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New IAH Terminal Groundbreaking!  
User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 615 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Hope it's not on here already:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/United...-System-prnews-3564660073.html?x=0


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User currently offlineblr380 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

Not really a new terminal - its an upgrade for Terminal B and has been discussed in length earlier. Nice to see some progress in this congested terminal.

User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

Those nasty banjo's can't be gone soon enough/

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

Quoting blr380 (Reply 1):
Not really a new terminal - its an upgrade for Terminal B and has been discussed in length earlier. Nice to see some progress in this congested terminal.

Purely semantics. This is an all new facility that, in form and function, will completely replace the existing facility. But there is little to be "upgraded" with the current banjo pinwheel configuration and its existing facilities, which will be demolished in complementary phases.

That all said, as a frequenter of B, I'm excited for the improvements!

-Mike



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Thank God B gets the attention it needs! I can't wait to see it completed and see my home airport bigger and better! 


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6912 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
Thank God B gets the attention it needs! I can't wait to see it completed and see my home airport bigger and better!

Apart from there being a new central waiting room, this actually appears to me to be a downgrade from the existing facilities. Functionally, it seems to be similar to CVG's now-shuttered Concourse C or the B-84 gates. The renderings don't show jetways to the aircraft; this should be a real treat in August or during one of Houston's occasional downpours.

I agree that the banjos can be pretty nasty, but I honestly do not see how this design is a functional improvement.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
I honestly do not see how this design is a functional improvement.

The south concourse is going to be like the B84 gates, catering to only or mostly CO/UAEX aircraft. The north concourse is going to be like terminal E and will be connected to terminal C via another terminal E-esque prong. There will also be another FIS facility. So overall, it is a huge expansion and will alleviate C and E, especially in the summer. Now if only HAS will start looking at redoing terminal D and a fabled "Terminal F" like on page 413 of 491 on the IAH master plan. I hope they don't stick to the master plan 100 because parallel, straight terminals like ATL and other airports get boring. I love the IAH layout and have grown up with it so I hope it improves instead of changes drastically.



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User currently offlineiahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3405 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6385 times:
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Quoting ContinentalFan (Reply 2):
Those nasty banjo's can't be gone soon enough

We call them 'Pods' .. Pods 5 and 6 on the north, Pods 7 and 8 on the south. Pod 7 and three gates in Pod 8 are what's being removed now. (Gates B60-62 and B68-75)
FYI Pods 1-4 were part of the original Terminal A before it was rebuilt.



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User currently offlineairlineaddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6360 times:
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With the removal of Pod 7, will we see more Express flights at Terminal A?

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 6111 times:

I just arrived back at IAH yesterday from SFO on UA854 and left out on 1/21 on UA855 and I saw some ERJs operating off of Terminal C North. Also I saw ERJs at D1-D4, that is not unusual though as typically South of the border ERJs arrive there.


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
The north concourse is going to be like terminal E and will be connected to terminal C via another terminal E-esque prong. There will also be another FIS facility. So overall, it is a huge expansion and will alleviate C and E, especially in the summer.

Except the B-North reconstruction (as it should be) will only be undertaken when demand justifies it -- so it could be five years away or twenty years away. So overall, the passenger experience on the many UAX RJ's used at IAH degrades until some point in the indefinite future.

As an aside, I believe the original FIS at IAH was located in Terminal B, so putting one in Terminal B again is going back to the future...


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4951 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Why don't people like the banjo's or pods?


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User currently offlineiahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3405 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4621 times:
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They are small and get VERY    at peak times. Plus it's a long walk to get from one to another. They were built strictly for O&D traffic, not connections.


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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 592 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Quoting ContinentalFan (Reply 2):
Those nasty banjo's can't be gone soon enough/

How many airports are there left that have banjos? I remember using them at IAH, DTW, LAX, SFO, FRA, and EWR...it seems to be a common late-1960's design. I liked the long corridors, like something from Moonbase Alpha on SPACE: 1999, connecting the main terminal to the circular pods....

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 11):
Why don't people like the banjo's or pods?

At the end of that corridor, the traveler might reasonably expect something grand and exciting, but instead, the pods are overcrowded, have no vendors except bars that sell hot dogs and nachos, and very little beauty or aesthetics. People sitting on the floor near power outlets. Just plain sad.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
So overall, the passenger experience on the many UAX RJ's used at IAH degrades until some point in the indefinite future.

UA is planning otherwise, according to the article cited by the OP:

Quote:
The $160 million south concourse project will replace the existing south side flight stations with a new 225,000 square-foot facility to accommodate United's regional aircraft. At nearly four times the size of the existing space, the new concourse will provide a better customer experience, as it will feature modern and expanded gate lounge areas, concessions and restroom facilities.

Travelers will access the new concourse from the terminal via a 95-foot-wide bridge with 13,000 square feet of food, beverage and retail concessions – a 500-percent increase in concession space over the current facility. The concourse will feature 28-foot-high floor-to-ceiling glass windows, offering expansive tarmac views from spacious central passenger lounge areas with durable and modern interior finishes.

The upgraded IAH Terminal B south will have better retail and aesthetics than now, but the article does not state how many flights it could handle.

Not all RJ flights require jetways, and I believe most pax don't mind walking ten or fifteen yards from a door on the concourse to the aircraft, on the ground, like they did in olden times. Outdoor boarding at IAH works well in most weather except rain, which is unpleasant for all. Hopefully, they will have a solution for that, like covered walkways right up to the aircraft.


User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 524 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 12):
They are small and get VERY at peak times. Plus it's a long walk to get from one to another. They were built strictly for O&D traffic, not connections.

Plus on the north side the AC never works and the pods get humid and nasty inside. I bet they're filled with mold... ugh!!!



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 8):
With the removal of Pod 7

"Pod seven were jerks."

-Captain Murphy



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

I am glad to see this. IAH is UA's flagship/largest hub and now all pax will get to enjoy top notch terminal facilities. OK, A is pretty bland but at least it's clean and spacious. Terminal E and the fully renovated C are excellent. Terminal B needed to be brought up to par!


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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3923 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 11):
Why don't people like the banjo's or pods?

Back in the 70s and early 80s, they served a purpose and were 'relatively' nice. However in the 'Mega-Hub' era which these terminals were never designed for (no one in the 60s when the airport was under construction could have ever conceptualized the 'Hub') they are now dumps and an embarrassment. I flew through IAH often as a kid back in the 70s (well before I moved to Houston) and have fond memories of these 'pods-banjos', but they simply have outlived their usefulness and sadly must go.




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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 592 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 16):
I am glad to see this. IAH is UA's flagship/largest hub and now all pax will get to enjoy top notch terminal facilities. OK, A is pretty bland but at least it's clean and spacious.

You're right, Terminal A has improved markedly since they cut the banjos. Very spacious compared to the rest of IAH. It has less traffic than the other terminals, and, paradoxically, larger seating areas near the gates.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 17):
I flew through IAH often as a kid back in the 70s (well before I moved to Houston) and have fond memories of these 'pods-banjos'

At least the basic structure of the main terminal building will remain after the banjos are demolished, for those liking to enter a large, cubical, 100-foot high, windowless ticketing hall reminiscent of that time.

 


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Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
So overall, the passenger experience on the many UAX RJ's used at IAH degrades until some point in the indefinite future.

Yep -- I didn't fully reply to your comment earlier -- no way to get around that. The imminent closure of many southside B gates will temporarily force UAX customers to use the northside gates, which are unwelcoming and lacking in amenities, so I agree that the pax experience will suffer until construction is complete.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 18):
Yep -- I didn't fully reply to your comment earlier -- no way to get around that. The imminent closure of many southside B gates will temporarily force UAX customers to use the northside gates, which are unwelcoming and lacking in amenities, so I agree that the pax experience will suffer until construction is complete.

I don't know, I have a feeling alot will be hardstand D and run out of Terminal C. When I flew out and in of IAH this past weekend I saw UAx ERJ operating off of North Concourse C.



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 592 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
I don't know, I have a feeling alot will be hardstand D and run out of Terminal C. When I flew out and in of IAH this past weekend I saw UAx ERJ operating off of North Concourse C.

The UAX traffic formerly at B60-B75 will have to be covered somehow.

UAX has been using C-21, able to handle a 757, for at least six months now, but that can't continue, as it's a waste of a mainline capable gate. Over on the "D-pad", there must be eight or ten RJ positions, and I could see them being used to cover Terminal B construction overflow, etc. If the shuttle buses from the D-pad to the terminal building are fast, pax may not mind the trouble.

Where will the shuttle buses go? To a shabby D-terminal gate - or better perhaps to the unused C-15 (which probably will remain so, as long as widebodies keep coming to C-14 and C-16). C-15 would be a perfect place for a bus depot, and UAX pax would have a Customer Service Center right nearby, as well as a Brookstones, Brooks Brothers, and a Starbucks!


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4951 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Arent' Rotunda's (as they were called at the old ATL/DAL) the same as banjo's/pods?
I remember leaving from BN's gates at IAH in the late 70's and it didn't seem like more that two or three gates in a banjo was being used at a time.



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3923 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 21):
Arent' Rotunda's (as they were called at the old ATL/DAL) the same as banjo's/pods?
I remember leaving from BN's gates at IAH in the late 70's and it didn't seem like more that two or three gates in a banjo was being used at a time.

Some classic shots from the 70s, amazing they were able to squeeze in widebodies, especially 747s.


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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 13):
How many airports are there left that have banjos? I remember using them at IAH, DTW, LAX, SFO, FRA, and EWR...it seems to be a common late-1960's design.

From memory...

DCA A gates
MKE E gates
LAS

I'm sure other a.netters can pick up others I've missed.

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 12):
They are small and get VERY at peak times. Plus it's a long walk to get from one to another.

Exactly!  
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 22):
Some classic shots from the 70s, amazing they were able to squeeze in widebodies, especially 747s.

Definitely interesting shots, particularly as Terminal B is RJ central now! Good find!

-Mike



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 18):
Yep -- I didn't fully reply to your comment earlier -- no way to get around that. The imminent closure of many southside B gates will temporarily force UAX customers to use the northside gates, which are unwelcoming and lacking in amenities, so I agree that the pax experience will suffer until construction is complete.

That wasn't my point. The point was that, from viewing the renderings, passengers will end up sitting in a big central waiting room and then walk down long, nearly windowless corridors to board aircraft outdoors via stairs. I don't see that as an improvement.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 13):
Not all RJ flights require jetways, and I believe most pax don't mind walking ten or fifteen yards from a door on the concourse to the aircraft, on the ground, like they did in olden times. Outdoor boarding at IAH works well in most weather except rain, which is unpleasant for all.

Outdoor boarding at IAH ain't so great from about mid-June to mid-September, either -- especially if you're waiting around for a gate-checked bag. Yes, people used to board via stairs "in olden times," but many competitors offer jetway boarding of most or all regional aircraft at their hubs these days. Look at what DL offers at ATL/MEM/DTW/MSP/CVG. It strikes me as being a cheap and nasty alternative to regional facilities like PHL Terminal F, CLT Concourse E, MSP Concourses A/B, DTW Concourse C, etc.

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 7):
We call them 'Pods' .. Pods 5 and 6 on the north, Pods 7 and 8 on the south.

IIRC they were officially called "Flight Stations" back in the day.


25 ikramerica : Comments on why pods don't work anymore. Back in the day, aircraft were smaller, and load factors were much lower. Flights were fewer per gate for a d
26 slider : Not necessarily. The existing Pod 7 traffic has shifted to the B84 walkout complex. A has the Colgan operations, but no other Express ops.
27 ual777 : Are the northside pods not exactly the same as the south? D is for international arrivals. ExpressJet connects more destinations in Mexico from the U
28 TWA772LR : I Have always wanted to know where those facilities are/were and how the passengers got there. Can anyone elaborate?
29 drerx7 : I'm an IAHspotter so thanks for the info but I'm well versed in their typical ops here; my thing is they could just run those ERJs that continue with
30 ual777 : D is not set up at all for CO departures. In fact, I don't even think CO has a check-in area in D. It would be an absolute mess if they decided to do
31 drerx7 : Its not a problem at all. D1-D3 use to be C gates before the construction of Mickey Leland. There is a walkway directly from Terminal E across to D t
32 CO777DAL : I have flown out of D a few times in the past on COEX to DAL. I always found it odd and doubled checked, but I love it. It was so quite and peaceful
33 Post contains links STT757 : Some media with videos and renderings: http://youtu.be/b5PcO2G_-6U http://www.fly2houston.com/TBMediaCenter http://www.fly2houston.com/TerminalB
34 ScottB : You do realize that (1) most Terminal D gates are closer to the Terminal E check-in area than the Terminal E gates at the ends of the piers and (2) t
35 ual777 : Yes I do realize that. I also realize that most people will see "D" on their ticket and get confused. Not to mention that the all the crew facilities
36 ikramerica : E should never have been named E. Just more D. If C is one huge thing, so should D. And it would not be confusing for D check-in for CO to be away fro
37 TWA772LR : The reason why Terminal E is close to D is because before E was built, only a parking lot was there. E was built there because its the closest spot t
38 ual777 : While I personally agree, you would be suprised at the number of misconnects for that very reason...
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