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Air Midwest: KC Industrial? St. Louis Downtown?  
User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3103 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Looking up a route map for Air Midwest (ZV, since consumed by Mesa and now lost to the archives of OAG), I saw one (on DepartedFlights.com) from 1984, with "downtown to downtown" routes. Here's the map:

http://www.departedflights.com/ZV090184.html

In addition to using Downtown Kansas City (MKC), which I knew about, and MDW, which I also knew about (but Meigs would have been more "downtown"), they apparently tried (brief) service to "Downtown St. Louis". I'm presuming this is the former Parks Airport that has been around since the 1930s, near Cahokia? Did any other airline attempt service there, in the modern era, that is? (There was a Parks Airlines predecessor to Ozark, for instance.)

And in the same year, they served "KC Johnson County Industrial Airport" (IXC, Olathe, KS), supposedly a route to MCI, and one to Downtown St. Louis. Was THIS a one and only attempt at air service to IXC?

Either way, they seemed not to have caught on. This, however, was at the height of my "airline awareness" in that region, and I completely missed it!

Anyone with info?

-Rampart

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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2867 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Quoting rampart (Thread starter):
In addition to using Downtown Kansas City (MKC), which I knew about, and MDW, which I also knew about (but Meigs would have been more "downtown"), they apparently tried (brief) service to "Downtown St. Louis". I'm presuming this is the former Parks Airport that has been around since the 1930s, near Cahokia? Did any other airline attempt service there, in the modern era, that is? (There was a Parks Airlines predecessor to Ozark, for instance.)

Yup, it was then called Bi-State Parks Airport. IIRC they promoted a free shuttle service from the airport across the river to downtown.

After the CPS flights ended, Air Midwest also served STL from MKC for a longer but fairly short time, sometimes nonstop and somtimes with a stop in Columbia.

Quoting rampart (Thread starter):
And in the same year, they served "KC Johnson County Industrial Airport" (IXC, Olathe, KS), supposedly a route to MCI, and one to Downtown St. Louis. Was THIS a one and only attempt at air service to IXC?

They served what is now the New Century Air Center (JCI or KIXD) on 159th about a mile or two west of I-35, not the Johnson County Executive Airport which is on Pflumm north of 159th…roughly 8 miles farther east…which I incorrectly thought for a time.

As far as I know Air Midwest was the only carrier to try scheduled service anyplace in Johnson County. In addition to the Johnson County (JCI) – KC Downtown (MKC) – St Louis Downtown (CPS) – Chicago Midway (MDW) flights, they had some spotty Wichita service, usually 1x or 2x/weekday, and always roped in with MKC or MCI. Often the flights did a round robin so maybe the morning flight was ICT-JCI-MKC-ICT and the afternoon flight was ICT-MCI-MKC-JCI-ICT. That meant sometimes flying between Johnson County and Wichita meant a stop at downtown KC and/or at KCI, which made things less convenient. If you’re in Johnson County, by the time you drive out to JCI you’re already within about 2.5 hours of Wichita. So while it was already hard to get people out of their cars then, to make them stop at MKC or MCI as well really made things tough for them.

IIRC the whole Johnson County experiment lasted somewhere in the 10-18 month range. The JCI-MKC-CPS-MDW flights were shorter-lived…perhaps 4 months or so.



FYI, I don't believe they ever served JCI nonstop to St Louis Downtown....JCI stopped at MKC first in spite of what the route map says. Also they did not purposely serve JCI-MCI but only as a tag or round-robin to/from Wichita, and then only in a spotty fashion. During the short period they did serve JCI, the Wichita flights more commonly did a round robit with JCI and MKC, not usually MCI.



[Edited 2012-01-23 12:25:06]

User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Quoting rampart (Thread starter):
Louis. Was THIS a one and only attempt at air service to IXC?

believe it or not at one time Piedmont was looking at opening a hub at JCI..boy did that get this city in a tizzy. i think it was going to be modeled after their then suceesful Dayton hub. it didnt get very far however!


User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3103 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 2):

believe it or not at one time Piedmont was looking at opening a hub at JCI..

 Wow! RJNUT, do you know what year this was considered? Sounds like something Ryan Air, or Skybus, might have tried.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 1):
.

Knope, you are a font of knowledge as usual. Thanks!

-Rampart


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2867 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 1394 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 3):
Knope, you are a font of knowledge as usual. Thanks!

-Rampart

You forgot the words "virtually useless" in front of knowledge...

 


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4940 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

What type of equipment did Air Midwest use on these routes?


Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2867 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

It was flown with 19-seat Swearingen Metro aircraft. At that point their life, Air Midwest was 100% SWM.

User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4940 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

That's kind of a small plane to handle some of the routes they had. I would have chose some CV-580's or maybe even a few BAC 111's to do the job. Their route map covers quite some distances.


Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
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