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User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22723 times:

Found this interesting

http://away.com/top-ten-travel/away....s-themselves-sidwcmdev_154874.html

Let me know what you think!   


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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1455 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22649 times:

These two are interesting:

3. Your Co-Pilot Could be More Experienced Than You Think
"The turmoil of the airline industry over the last 20 years or so has caused many airlines to go out of business or shrink in size, thus laying off massive numbers of employees. If an airline captain loses his job at one airline and goes to another, he or she will start over as a co-pilot at entry-level pay and will be given no credit for their experience."

2. The Air Isn't Immune to Office Romances
"All the crew stays at the same hotel, but I remember a couple years ago the pilots' wives pushed for flight attendants to be at a different hotel than the pilots because they didn't want to make it easy for their husbands to cheat."


#3 because it could also be absolutely the other way. And #2, isn't that kind of a backhand to pilots as kind of insulting the whole groups moral compass?


User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22482 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 1):
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 1):
These two are interesting:

3. Your Co-Pilot Could be More Experienced Than You Think
"The turmoil of the airline industry over the last 20 years or so has caused many airlines to go out of business or shrink in size, thus laying off massive numbers of employees. If an airline captain loses his job at one airline and goes to another, he or she will start over as a co-pilot at entry-level pay and will be given no credit for their experience."

2. The Air Isn't Immune to Office Romances
"All the crew stays at the same hotel, but I remember a couple years ago the pilots' wives pushed for flight attendants to be at a different hotel than the pilots because they didn't want to make it easy for their husbands to cheat."


#3 because it could also be absolutely the other way. And #2, isn't that kind of a backhand to pilots as kind of insulting the whole groups moral compass?

Yeah i thought #3 was interesting too! Your Copilot could be completely inexperienced.



Greetings from Dulles!
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 22234 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 1):
3. Your Co-Pilot Could be More Experienced Than You Think

It may also not having to do with layoffs or switching companies. Senior First Officers, who are very capable of bidding up to Captain, can and do sometimes choose to stay as First Offices for scheduling reasons. Maybe they make less money but are far higher on the seniority list and ca get a much better choice of routes and days off than if they upgraded to Captain.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1137 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21575 times:

The one about the seat belt sign shouldn't even be on there because someone who is that stupid who doesn't wear their seatbelt during severe turbulence and then complains about injuries and then complains about the flight crew "not warning them about the situation" shouldn't be allowed to fly. I absolutely HATE stupidity like that!

The one about pilots using the lavs gets at me too. Pilots are human also and all humans have their natural needs.

Also, if spouses are worried about their pilot spouses cheating, then don't marry him/her.

Sorry, had to get that out of my system.



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User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21217 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
The one about the seat belt sign shouldn't even be on there because someone who is that stupid who doesn't wear their seatbelt during severe turbulence and then complains about injuries and then complains about the flight crew "not warning them about the situation" shouldn't be allowed to fly. I absolutely HATE stupidity like that!

The one about pilots using the lavs gets at me too. Pilots are human also and all humans have their natural needs.

Also, if spouses are worried about their pilot spouses cheating, then don't marry him/her.

Sorry, had to get that out of my system.

I agree. It's really obvious what they mean when they put the sign there.



Greetings from Dulles!
User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2824 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21153 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
It may also not having to do with layoffs or switching companies. Senior First Officers, who are very capable of bidding up to Captain, can and do sometimes choose to stay as First Offices for scheduling reasons. Maybe they make less money but are far higher on the seniority list and ca get a much better choice of routes and days off than if they upgraded to Captain.

There are many, many airlines where an A330 FO makes much more than he would if he took a Captain spot on an A320.

The thing I always tell my friends is that the #1 thing you don't know about airlines is that many times the same mop that cleans the galley cleans the lav and not in that particular order. Don't ever walk around either with your shoes off.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21046 times:

Interesting list!!

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 6):
The thing I always tell my friends is that the #1 thing you don't know about airlines is that many times the same mop that cleans the galley cleans the lav and not in that particular order. Don't ever walk around either with your shoes off.

Why would you walk around in what is, essentially, a public place barefoot anyways?



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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 20910 times:

Quote:
2. The Air Isn't Immune to Office Romances
"All the crew stays at the same hotel, but I remember a couple years ago the pilots' wives pushed for flight attendants to be at a different hotel than the pilots because they didn't want to make it easy for their husbands to cheat."

There is SOOO much drama in the airlines. I probably hear more gossip and deal with more drama during a typical day at work then I ever did during high school.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2824 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20514 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Why would you walk around in what is, essentially, a public place barefoot anyways?

Never underestimate the traveling public.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18675 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 20200 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 6):
The thing I always tell my friends is that the #1 thing you don't know about airlines is that many times the same mop that cleans the galley cleans the lav and not in that particular order. Don't ever walk around either with your shoes off.

I guess I'm just not squeamish. Why would I care? They're the bottoms of my feet. I'm not going to lick them...


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19822 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):

Schistosomiasis comes to my paranoid mind. Granted the chance of that bug being on an airplane is lower than the odds of the wing falling off the airplane, but strange things do happen from time to time.


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19760 times:

Co-pilots more experienced than pilots? Interesting, often times my "substitute" teachers are more knowledgable than my actual teachers.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 9):
Never underestimate the traveling public.

I stepped in poo in the planes loo.. can I sue?      



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User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 746 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19393 times:

I was a bit surprised to find no mention of crew fatigue. Not only the dangers of the fatigue (and the accidents that resulted), but also the impact on the lives and health of the crews.

[Edited 2012-01-23 22:45:34]


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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2529 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19207 times:

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 2):
Yeah i thought #3 was interesting too! Your Copilot could be completely inexperienced.

'Completely inexperienced'?? Hardly. You're not going to board any airliner today with an inexperienced co-pilot. It's one of the hardest industries in the world to break in to, and you have to get a lot of experience as an instructor, cargo pilot, or other position before any major airline will even consider interviewing you. Then, you have to make yourself stand out from the other several thousand applicants before they hire you to fill one of a handful of positions. After you make it on, you will go through several weeks to a few months of ground school and simulator training, an oral exam and checkride before they even let you touch an airplane. Once you do start flying, it's with an instructor pilot in the left seat who will check your ability, and teach you the details of day-to-day flying before he turns you loose with the 'regular' pilots.

Inexperienced? Yeah, right.  

HAL



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18942 times:
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Quoting HAL (Reply 14):
you have to get a lot of experience as an instructor, cargo pilot, or other position before any major airline will even consider interviewing you.

Thousands of people fly every day in and out of the US on carriers that no one would call a major airline. Some of them have inexperienced pilots, no matter how much you may protest, whether it is because they secured their position through a "pay-to-fly" scheme, the airline is too quick to hire to fuel its growth, or nepotism played a part. As a professional, you may not like it, as a frequent flyer, I certainly hate it, but it happens.

[Edited 2012-01-23 23:11:41]


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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18151 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 1):
2. The Air Isn't Immune to Office Romances
"All the crew stays at the same hotel, but I remember a couple years ago the pilots' wives pushed for flight attendants to be at a different hotel than the pilots because they didn't want to make it easy for their husbands to cheat."

I used to run a hotel that accommodated the CX cabin crew, and the tech crew definitely stayed in a seperate property. Didn't stop some of them shagging like bunnies though.

[Edited 2012-01-23 23:45:16]

User currently offlinespudsmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10849 times:

What cockpit was that photo taken in? Must be a turboprop or something; I've never seen it before.

User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10806 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 1):
And #2, isn't that kind of a backhand to pilots as kind of insulting the whole groups moral compass?

One of the biggest faults with our seniority system is that you can have a 25yr veteran Captain with thousands of hours of safe flying and experience under his belt who is unfortunate to have his company crumble and he suddenly has to start over at the very bottom somewhere else. At the very least in most other lines of work you can use your experience to negotiate a pay rate to reflect your expertise.



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User currently offlinespudsmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10343 times:

Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 18):
One of the biggest faults with our seniority system is that you can have a 25yr veteran Captain with thousands of hours of safe flying and experience under his belt who is unfortunate to have his company crumble and he suddenly has to start over at the very bottom somewhere else. At the very least in most other lines of work you can use your experience to negotiate a pay rate to reflect your expertise.

Which is why I'm not even considering working for the airlines even though I have the hours and education. I'm holding out for a corporate gig.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 6):
There are many, many airlines where an A330 FO makes much more than he would if he took a Captain spot on an A320.

Really? Can you name one? I checked a few and found quite the opposite. Now I know there is a little extra money for international travel but the hourly rates are not that close:

DL
320 CA - 175
330 FO - 146

US
320 CA - 125
330 FO - 109

AC
320 CA - 175
330 FO - 151

HA
717 CA - 162
330 FO - 133



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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9781 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Why would you walk around in what is, essentially, a public place barefoot anyways?

You'd be surprised. I have seen many people walk barefoot into the lavs. I've seen them cut their toenails in First Class. I think it's kind of gross-but to each their own.



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User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

Quoting spudsmac (Reply 19):
Which is why I'm not even considering working for the airlines even though I have the hours and education. I'm holding out for a corporate gig.

Good luck, I hope it works out for you. I certainly wouldn't say no if the right corporate gig came along.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 6):
There are many, many airlines where an A330 FO makes much more than he would if he took a Captain spot on an A320.

Not sure about the international carriers but to the best of my knowledge all US based carriers bottom Captain pay rate is higher than the top FO pay rate. That isn't to say that some FOs don't out-earn Captains based on hours flown and how they work their contracts but looking at straight hourly pay I haven't seen one where an FO earns more per hour than a Captain.

[Edited 2012-01-24 08:30:02]


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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9088 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 20):
Really? Can you name one? I checked a few and found quite the opposite. Now I know there is a little extra money for international travel but the hourly rates are not that close:

Man, those guys at US, look like they are a little behind the 8-ball. Ouch...



Sic 'em bears
User currently offlinenordair737242c From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7746 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
I guess I'm just not squeamish. Why would I care? They're the bottoms of my feet. I'm not going to lick them...

What you dont while flying....strange.....   

Quoting ghifty (Reply 12):
I stepped in poo in the planes loo.. can I sue?

of course for a number two.....   



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25 canoecarrier : During the AF 447 discussion Pihero noted that one of the copilots made more as a senior FO on the AF long haul division on the A330 then he would ha
26 Flight152 : Way to wake up and smell the coffee. US pay has been shit for some time. Last I checked "copilots" (as you put it) ARE pilots. Can we please call the
27 Post contains images readytotaxi : As with most things the public would like to to think, "on the job they are professionals" off the job they are "on the job"
28 ckfred : I thought legacy carriers still provided first class meals to pilots. A friend of mine flies for AA, and he still gets food, assuming that First gets
29 Post contains images oksman : Trust me, you won´t get schistosomiasis by walking barefoot on a plane....this kind of paranoia is like fear of flying....when you learn how it work
30 BMI727 : I'm generally a big critic of seniority systems, but for pilots, what better way could there be? They all have to be great at what they do. What metr
31 AA777223 : No need to be rude. While I love aviation, I don't exactly go around examining the pay scales of the major US carriers. Some of us do have other thin
32 futureualpilot : Its a double edge sword, to be certain. I'm not opposed to a national seniority list, but I also know that it while it might solve this issue, it wil
33 contrails15 : Fragile stickers don't mean anything. You can put as many as you want. You just have to hope it touches the hands with people that give a dam.
34 francoflier : Hmmm... The switches and dials look suspiciously Britishaerospacey, but it's not a J31 or 41. I think it could be an early Gulfstream II...
35 Post contains images Scipio : Why would you waste time putting your shoes on and off every time you get out of your seat? And climbing over your sleeping neighbor is a lot easier
36 spudsmac : There's some people that I don't want to have walking around without shoes on.
37 bwaflyer : Please please please wear shoes when using the lavs. I am constantly amazed by the number of people who are queueing for the loos in bare feet or jus
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