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SBN Gets New Airport Director From LAN  
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3833 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

SBN's longtime director John Schalliol is retiring at the end of Feburary. Under Schalliol's watch, many good things happened:
-The South Shore train was extended to SBN
-SBN became an intermodal transportation center with rail, bus, and air service; the first of its kind in the USA
-Allegiant entered SBN (IMHO, this was the template for G4 here at FWA)
-SBN appointed their current marketing director from CAK (where she did a great job)
-The main concourse was rebuilt and expanded

However, all good things must come to an end, and it was announced today that Mike Daigle, LAN's current deputy executive director, is succeeding Schalliol. From WNDU-TV: http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headli...ector_named_Tuesday_137992863.html

Wasn't Daigle the architect behind the SY focus city at LAN? If so, it should be interesting to see what shakes out for SBN. The long-rumored F9 route to DEN comes to mind, but I wonder if other things are in the works. Nonstop NYC flights and the return of Eagle have been mentioned here numerous times, but one has to wonder if AA's Ch 11 bankruptcy has dampened the chances of SBN-DFW.

[Edited 2012-01-24 16:28:01]


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User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2524 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
Nonstop NYC flights and the return of Eagle have been mentioned here numerous times, but one has to wonder if AA's Ch 11 bankruptcy has dampened the chances of SBN-DFW.

Now that they are down to Allegiant, Delta and United they need to do something, especially considering Delta accounts for half of the passengers alone.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
Wasn't Daigle the architect behind the SY focus city at LAN? If so, it should be interesting to see what shakes out for SBN. The long-rumored F9 route to DEN comes to mind, but I wonder if other things are in the works. Nonstop NYC flights and the return of Eagle have been mentioned here numerous times, but one has to wonder if AA's Ch 11 bankruptcy has dampened the chances of SBN-DFW

AA used to fly SBNSTL before they abandoned the STL hub. I am not sure whether or not they ever did ORDSBN. I would have loved a nonstop DFWSBN since I grew up in Dallas and attended ND, but alas, it never materialized when I was a student  

Fares would have probably been outrageous anyways.

Quoting syncmaster (Reply 1):
Now that they are down to Allegiant, Delta and United they need to do something, especially considering Delta accounts for half of the passengers alone.

I've always wondered if UA could sustain flights to EWR or US to PHL, but I think CO was always hesitant to link SBN with EWR knowing that it would cannibalize existing traffic on SBNCLE.

Even if the airlines at SBN are limited to just DL and UA (from a legacy perspective) I think we tend to forget that SBN is connected to the likes of ATL, MSP, DTW and ORD, which can get people pretty much anywhere.

I do think that NYC remains a big gap (Notre Dame is very well connected with the East Coast, particularly Wall Street)



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
AA used to fly SBNSTL before they abandoned the STL hub. I am not sure whether or not they ever did ORDSBN.

SBN-ORD was served by Eagle until 2003, and was dropped at the same time as SBN-STL.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
I think CO was always hesitant to link SBN with EWR knowing that it would cannibalize existing traffic on SBNCLE.

From what I understand, the loads on CLE-SBN have been pretty bad (20-30% range), which was also the reason why CO dropped CLE-FWA. I could see why CO didn't want to dilute it even more.

Quoting syncmaster (Reply 1):
Now that they are down to Allegiant, Delta and United they need to do something, especially considering Delta accounts for half of the passengers alone.

DL accounted for 46% of pax at FWA last year, which is similar to SBN in passenger volume and has four airlines (DL, AA, G4, and UA).



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2417 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
Even if the airlines at SBN are limited to just DL and UA (from a legacy perspective) I think we tend to forget that SBN is connected to the likes of ATL, MSP, DTW and ORD, which can get people pretty much anywhere.

Agreed. I think at the end of the day this is probably the most economic option for a legacy carrier, arguably an NYC flight would be operated with a 50-seat RJ and the high CASM that comes with it.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
I do think that NYC remains a big gap (Notre Dame is very well connected with the East Coast, particularly Wall Street)

I would love to see NYC service but other than the ND connection I believe the only real benefit would be international connections. I think (I admit I have nothing to back this up with) that other than the business passengers who use SBN most of the leisure passengers are looking for service to Florida, Vegas and similar locations and I'm not convinced NYC would have the same loads. NYC is just as easily served through DTW or ORD.

Most of my flights to DTW and ATL from SBN are seemingly full, MSP can be hit and miss depending on the time of day.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
DL accounted for 46% of pax at FWA last year, which is similar to SBN in passenger volume and has four airlines (DL, AA, G4, and UA).

Last time I checked Delta was hovering at 51~52% with United and Allegiant basically splitting the difference.


User currently offlineboilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

United's service at SBN is hurt by its relative closeness to ORD. I fly into SBN about 70% of the time and drive or take South Shore the rest of the time. But during the winter months, it's safer to just book into ORD and drive. Everyone jokes about the 20 minute flight that turns into 20 hours when ORD goes to hell.

I'd say that when I do choose to fly, there's a 50% chance my flight will be delayed or cancelled. Last time I had IRROPS out of South Bend, the gate agent looked at the crowd in the waiting area and said (jokingly) "Folks, it might shock you to learn this flight is CANCELLED. Hertz and Avis counters are open for business."

Now, if they had a way to avoid ORD completely, and connect in DEN or IAH....that would definitely be interesting.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 2219 times:

Quoting syncmaster (Reply 4):
I would love to see NYC service but other than the ND connection I believe the only real benefit would be international connections. I think (I admit I have nothing to back this up with) that other than the business passengers who use SBN most of the leisure passengers are looking for service to Florida, Vegas and similar locations and I'm not convinced NYC would have the same loads. NYC is just as easily served through DTW or ORD.

Definitely true. Although, there is a lot of traffic from Southern Michigan based out of St. Joseph's/Benton Harbor coming from Whirlpool. Even still, questionable whether or not NYC service would be profitable.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 5):
United's service at SBN is hurt by its relative closeness to ORD. I fly into SBN about 70% of the time and drive or take South Shore the rest of the time. But during the winter months, it's safer to just book into ORD and drive. Everyone jokes about the 20 minute flight that turns into 20 hours when ORD goes to hell.

Yeah. I've had only nightmarish experiences traveling out of SBN. The first time I flew SBN-CVG-PHL and experienced a missed connection on the return. The next year I flew SBN-CLE-DFW (for EASTER!) and I still ran into a 12 hour delay at CLE due to storms. On the return, DFW-DTW-SBN, I got stuck in DTW due to missed connections. Never again...ever since I just stuck with ORD or MDW.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 5):
Now, if they had a way to avoid ORD completely, and connect in DEN or IAH....that would definitely be interesting.

It is indeed really pointless to use SBN if you're connecting via ORD.



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User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 2212 times:
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Quoting boilerla (Reply 5):

United's service at SBN is hurt by its relative closeness to ORD. I fly into SBN about 70% of the time and drive or take South Shore the rest of the time. But during the winter months, it's safer to just book into ORD and drive. Everyone jokes about the 20 minute flight that turns into 20 hours when ORD goes to hell.

I'd say that when I do choose to fly, there's a 50% chance my flight will be delayed or cancelled. Last time I had IRROPS out of South Bend, the gate agent looked at the crowd in the waiting area and said (jokingly) "Folks, it might shock you to learn this flight is CANCELLED. Hertz and Avis counters are open for business."

Now, if they had a way to avoid ORD completely, and connect in DEN or IAH....that would definitely be interesting.

This doesn't surprise me. I have a lot of people ask why I don't fly United and I can safely tell them because I wind up on the bus to ORD anyways. I definitely think making a go of DEN or IAH wouldn't be a bad idea on United's part.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting syncmaster (Reply 7):
I definitely think making a go of DEN or IAH wouldn't be a bad idea on United's part.

If F9 starts SBN-DEN as rumored, I wouldn't be surprised if UA launches the same route (or SBN-IAH) just to keep passengers that used to connect via ORD from switching airlines.

Remember, even if F9 starts SBN-DEN service with an E190 (which means that S5 couldn't run an E170 for UA on the same route), UA could still use a CR7 or even a CR2 from another United Express carrier. The CR7 and CR2 could easily make SBN-DEN and wouldn't suffer from the RAH non-compete clause that the E170s face.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 5):
Last time I had IRROPS out of South Bend, the gate agent looked at the crowd in the waiting area and said (jokingly) "Folks, it might shock you to learn this flight is CANCELLED. Hertz and Avis counters are open for business."

That quote made my day.



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 888 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2065 times:
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Funny I flew DFW-SBN-DFW on Delta this year on two trips one connecting in DTW and one making connections in ATL. The ATL connections Were ALL on time or early. On my DTW DFW flight in July on ASA they had either a crew timeout or something and had no crew to take the plane (CR7) to DFW. I was four hours late getting home as they had to find and fly a crew in from ATL. But all the flights originating or terminating at SBN were ON TIME or early and also flew out with real good loads. Maybe 1 empty seat on one flight. The Delta folks at SBN are very nice to people as is TSA at SBN. Totally Professional.

User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2010 times:
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Quoting freakyrat (Reply 9):
The Delta folks at SBN are very nice to people as is TSA at SBN. Totally Professional.

I will happily deal with the TSA agents at SBN anytime, all of them I have ever dealt with are at the top of their game. JFK on the other hand...


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