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Australian Aviation Thread # 58  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 23806 times:

In thread # 57, the following points were discussed.

* Air New Zealand sends 777 equipment to Perth
* Qantas possibly reintroducing services to the Gold Coast
* Industrial harmony at Qantas
* Air Australia (VC) has confirmed its eyeing Vietnam and China from mid-2012
* Perth Airport opens a dedicated aircraft viewing area
* Various schedule increases and changes, including MH confirming its cancelling PER-BKI
* Virgin Australia announced SYD-DRW and SilkAir DRW-SIN
* Malaysia Airlines PER aircraft changes
* QR confirms its PER schedule - evening arrival into PER
* Schedule increases at Brisbane Airport
* Parallel runway at Brisbane Airport - ever increasing aircraft movements
* Air India - SYD and MEL services (on again, off again)
* NorfolkAir suspending BNE/MEL/NTL/SYD-NLK in MAR - Air NZ commencing BNE/SYD-NLK in MAR
* Qantas and its European operations
* DRW-SGN getting the chop and being replaced with a DRW-MNL-NRT (same flight number)
* Air Asia finally confirms SYD services from mid-2012
* Discussion about possible new services from QF and EK at Adelaide
* Virgin Australia to deploy A330s MEL-PER/SYD
* Qantas crewing companies - differences
* Rumour that Japan Airlines will suspend Sydney services mid-2012
* Virgin Australia's first 737-700 painted in the new livery (VH-VBY)
* Qantas has begun trialling it's 'Q Streaming' IFE system on 767-300 VH-OGH

Cheers

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 23749 times:

Brisbane Airport News

Domestic
Many may be unaware, however Brisbane Airport is seeing some of the biggest Domestic capacity growth in recent times. QantasLink and Virgin Australia are the key contributors of this growth in Domestic capacity at Brisbane Airport.

Virgin Australia

Brisbane-Gladstone
Services will be increased to 34 weekly in February with a new Sunday ATR turboprop service. Just recently the Airline introduce a third daily ATR service Monday through Friday.

Brisbane-Rockhampton
Services will be increased to 78 weekly in February with a new M-F service utilising Alliance Airlines Fokker 100s

Brisbane-Cairns
Services will be increased to 80 weekly in February with the introduction of a new M-F+Sun service utilising Alliance Airlines Fokker 100s

Brisbane-Prosperpine (Whitsunday Coast)
Services will be increased to 24 weekly in February with a new M-F service utilising Alliance Airlines Fokker 100s

Brisbane-Melbourne
Services will be increased to 174 weekly in February with a new daily service

Other routes such as Brisbane-Newcastle will see minor capacity changes with the introduction of Alliance Airlines Fokker 100 services, temporarily replacing E90s which will be deployed on other routes. Virgin Australia recently commenced services from Brisbane to Emerald using ATR equipment and in the coming weeks will commence weekend ATR services to Rockhampton. No doubt that with the delivery of additional frames they will look at new ports such as Moranbah, Roma, Bundaberg et al.

Other Airlines

Brisbane-Narrabri - Aeropelican Airlines
Aeropelican will introduce extra services on Mondays/Thursdays (in the afternoon), bringing weekly services to 7. The Airline recently merged with Brindabella Airlines (but operating as separate Airlines) who just a few weeks ago commenced a third daily Tamworth service on Mondays and recently inaugurated services from Brisbane to Armidale.

QantasLink
QantasLink is yet to confirm where it will deploy its 2 new 717s ex-Brisbane, however one would expect these frames will be operated on Brisbane-Rockhampton/Mackay once the Alliance contract ceases. This would allow QantasLink to move freed-up Q400 capacity to ports such as Roma and Moranbah.

It's astonishing to see how much capacity QantasLink has introduced on some of its routes over the past few months. Taking Roma as an example, some time ago it was serviced a mere once daily, however on some days of the week there is up to 7 services. The Airport recently carried out a major upgrade and no doubt once additional Q400 capacity becomes available, the Airline will deploy the Q400 on some of its Roma services, removing the DH8s and DH3s (for retirement or deployment on other routes). Moranbah is another example of where capacity has increased significantly in a short period of time. Prior to QantasLink, Macair was operating SF3s from Brisbane to Moranbah on a limited basis - now QantasLink flies to Moranbah with up to 8 services a day with a mixture of Dash 8-300s and Q400s.

There's rumours circulating that QantasLink will also be introducing services from Brisbane to Middlemount later in 2012, once further aircraft capacity becomes available. Macair operated services from Brisbane to Middlemount prior to its demise with SF3s a few times each week (basically just full of FIFO miners/workers).

No doubt we will be hearing more capacity increases on Domestic routes ex-Brisbane over the coming weeks. Interestingly it seems Qantas is bringing back Brisbane-Broome seasonal services for another year. Brisbane to Perth (Qantas) is almost purely a wide body service (A330s/767s) with the exception of Saturdays where a 737 operates one of the services. It is expected that Virgin Australia will introduce A330s on Brisbane to Perth later this year after recently increasing services by 3 weekly.

The construction of the expanded Domestic terminal (work progressing well and gates/aerobridges will be built towards the spotting area) can't come soon enough, on a recent flight from Brisbane to Mackay with QantasLink we were bussed to the Common User Terminal for our departure (where Sharp Airlines, Alliance, Jetstar, Air Australia and Skytrans operate from) - there was insufficient gate space for a departure from the QantasLink regional apron. Additionally due to the lack of gate space, Qantas had a 737 being decatered and offloaded behind a parked 767 awaiting a flight to Perth a few hours later.

International
On the International front there hasn't been as much growth, however Singapore Airlines is increasing BNE-SIN to 21 weekly, Air Australia is expected to commence Brisbane-Vietnam with A330s and increases existing BNE-HNL/HKT services to thrice weekly and Air New Zealand will commence A320 services from Brisbane to Norfolk Island in early March 2012 replacing the much smaller Norfolk Air 737-300s.

Brisbane Airport is currently serviced by the following Airlines

Domestic
Aeropelican
Air Australia
Alliance Airlines
Brindabella Airlines
Jetstar
QantasLink
Qantas
Skytrans
Tiger Airways
Virgin Australia

The Airport is also serviced by a number of smaller operators including Rex/Pelair, Sharp Airlines and GAM Air who operate closed charter services to ports such as Clermont, Orange and Chinchilla. JetsGo Australia is also expected to commence FIFO operations later in 2012 with EMB-135s.

International
Air Australia
Air New Zealand
Air Niugini
Air Pacific
Air Vanuatu
Aircalin
Cathay Pacific
China Airlines
China Southern Airlines
Emirates
Etihad
EVA Air
Jetstar
Korean Air
Malaysia Airlines
Norfolk Air (cease to exist March 2012)
Our Airline
Qantas (including Jetconnect)
Singapore Airlines
Solomon Airlines
Thai Airways
Virgin Australia (Indonesia, PNG, Pacific and NZ)
Virgin Samoa

International highlights of 2011 included Dallas-Brisbane being introduced (now 6 weekly), Brisbane being linked with Honolulu again after a number of years and Brisbane seeing a direct, same plane services to Beijing.

Brisbane Airport had 20.6 million passengers pass through its terminal in 2011 and despite being an eventful year, passenger growth at the international terminal surpassed that seen in 2010. Strongest growth marks in 2011 were New Zealand, China, South Africa and USA.

Cheers


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 23721 times:

In other news

Skytrans Airlines
New Toowoomba-Sydney flights

Per ABC Local Radio, Skytrans (Cairns-based regional Airline) has announced it will introduce services linking Toowoomba (Australia's biggest inland city behind Canberra) and Sydney from March 2012, initially once daily utilising the Airline's Dash 8-100s / Dash 8-300s.

As the Airline does not base aircraft in Toowoomba and only operates through flights (i.e. Brisbane-Toowoomba-Charleville/St George etc) I'd expect the services to possibly operate as Brisbane-Toowoomba-Sydney.

Additionally, Skytrans has made mention that it is actively looking at expanded services from Toowoomba to ports such as Gladstone - such services would mainly cater for the purpose of FIFO and moving staff.

Etihad Airways
Australian Services

Per TravelDaily 25JAN12, Etihad Airways has made mention that it is keen to take an equity stake in Virgin Australia, subject to foreign investment restrictions being relaxed.

Additionally, it has also been reported in the AFR that Etihad Airways is looking at increasing Brisbane-Abu Dhabi services to daily and introducing a new service to Adelaide or Perth (perhaps Adelaide would be the preferred option in light of Qatar Airways recently announced PER-DOH services).


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 23673 times:

Thanks QF175 .I can add Airlink Dubbo with B1900 and PA-31 equipment also offer fifo to PPP ,Nyngin,Dubbo as well as GWA,Wagners,Machjet,Easternwell .SEAIR also operate a twice daily OOL-BNE-Lady Elliott-BNE-OOL tourist flight Mon-Fri.

PS I am hearing more ATR flights soon.In past 4 months only VA have gone from 68 departures a day to 80 next month.

All up over 50 airlines operate out of BNE weekly from PA-31 to 744 size.

Cheers.

[Edited 2012-01-25 00:51:44]

User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 23652 times:

The jury is still out on how much longer EVA's BNE-TPE will last. Ditto China Airlines' BNE-AKL tag-on.

Also hearing rumours Air Asia will dump OOL and take over the MH BNE-KUL route.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23608 times:

A few of changes by JQ:


JQ increases MEL-CNS flights (increase by 4 X weekly)
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2012/01/24/202145_local-news.html

JQ increases ADL-MEL (increase by 3 X weekly) and ADL-PER (increase by 3 X weekly)
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/travel...ights/story-e6freexc-1226250786619

JQ axes BNE-CHC flights (cancels 3 X weekly)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/bus...ristchurch-Jetstar-flights-chopped

JQ additional capacity from MEL and OOL (1 extra based aircraft in MEL and OOL)
http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/...r-war/story-e6frg2qc-1226250949744


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23602 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 4):
The jury is still out on how much longer EVA's BNE-TPE will last. Ditto China Airlines' BNE-AKL tag-on.

That jury has been out for a while but they both stick around.

One might move on though at some stage, but time will tell.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 4):
Also hearing rumours Air Asia will dump OOL and take over the MH BNE-KUL route.

I would suspect that there may be some truth to the rumour, given the issues that D7 stated about gaining sufficient year-round yields at OOL not too long ago. Not sure how that will end up, but the MH/D7 network does have a few changes left to go I would suspect.


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23587 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 5):
JQ axes BNE-CHC flights (cancels 3 X weekly)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/bus...opped

Surprised by this. Putting aside the issues in Christchurch at the moment, surely there is enough demand between the 2 cities for a 3 times weekly service given the large number of Kiwis in the Brisbane area? This means there is no QF-related company plying this sector.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23545 times:

No great loss on JQ BNE-CHC.

Obviously Pacific Blue and Air New Zealand are winning on that route.


User currently offlinerushed From Australia, joined May 2000, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23427 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 2):
It's astonishing to see how much capacity QantasLink has introduced on some of its routes over the past few months.

With this increase in capacity are QF going to upgrade / expand the BNE downstairs terminal area (where the QantasLink flights seem to depart from on the left after security?). Each time I've passed through this area it always looks cramped and a little budget.. Never used this area but it always looks busy - anyone else think this?



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23375 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
QantasLink is yet to confirm where it will deploy its 2 new 717s ex-Brisbane, however one would expect these frames will be operated on Brisbane-Rockhampton/Mackay once the Alliance contract ceases

I Have spoken recently to the ground staff at GLT and they have advised me that they are to undergo training for the 717's as well. I know that maybe a little too much capacity on such a short run, but I don't see any reason to doubt the information they have given me.



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 23253 times:

VA are growing in MEL too...

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...ia-responds-to-demand-with-supply/



Anyhow, the little birdie that told me about the detailed plans for T3 & T4 expansion provided me with this:



and stated that detailed plans for MEL's 3rd runway will kick off soon.

The 2nd concourse of the current T3 will become the "new" T4 and effectively - as per the diagram above - is going to double the amount of gates in the precinct compared to now. (look closely, you can see the existing terminals depicted to give you an idea of the expansion to come).

more renders soon.  

MEL stats from Jan 19:

http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...onal-passenger-growth-in-2011.html

Quote:
Melbourne Airport finished 2011 with strong international passenger growth of 11 per cent compared to 2010 or an additional 651,157 passengers, taking total international passengers for the 2011 calendar year to 6.6 million.

depsite domestic going backwards due to Tiger and Volcano earlier in the year, the total pax for the airport increased 1% for the year:

Quote:
The strong international passenger growth contributed to more than 27.9 million passengers passing through Melbourne Airport in the 2011 calendar year, an increase of one per cent compared to 2010.
“Domestically, 2011 was a particularly tough year, with the well publicised weather and airline events that disrupted services,” said Mr Woodruff.
Domestic passengers declined by 2 per cent to 21.3 million passengers in 2011 compared to 2010.

roll on Tulla, ROLL ON!


User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 23239 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 10):
I Have spoken recently to the ground staff at GLT and they have advised me that they are to undergo training for the 717's as well.
http://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/...lying-roo-to-bring-jet-age-qantas/

Rockhampton and Mackay are a shoe-in, though interestingly these destinations I cannot find confirmed in writing.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23117 times:

We will know very shortly about the 717 scheds.I believe they should be loaded by this weekend ???.I believe GLT will get 3-4 flights a week.

I have also heard that Qantas will use Network F100'S out of BNE later in the year as well.


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 22988 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 13):
I have also heard that Qantas will use Network F100'S out of BNE later in the year as well.

Have heard it as well, once again nothing I can provide in writing, But it would make sense, considering Network Aviation is now one of QF's Subsiduary companies. Better to keep the money in-house than to give it to another company (Alliance).



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 22923 times:

I've raised the question once before can anyone confirm the rumored cancellation of JL771/JL772 NRT-SYD-NRT service...???

EK413



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 22718 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
I've raised the question once before can anyone confirm the rumored cancellation of JL771/JL772 NRT-SYD-NRT service...???

They'd be crazy to cut it given that every flight over the past 2 months has been literally full. Perhaps they will reduce frequencies from daily through the winter then come back up in October/November? I would say that JQ might be a strong replacement long term once JQ Japan is up and running, but J class is as full as Y...


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22469 times:

With the new MEL T3/T4, where will the Rex and any future Virgin Australia/Skywest regional flights operate from?

I expected more from this development in some ways, more in line with the masterplan. Still a great development though.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 22429 times:

Can anyone tell me why there was a Skytrans DH8 in PER this afternoon at about 1400 local?


Next Trip: PER-DPS-KUL-BKK-HKT-CNX-BKK-SIN-PER
User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 21805 times:

Qantaslink announced their 717 schedules today out of BNE.

They are in QF schedules from 15 March but it appears as only 1 aircraft will be flying till beginning of June when aircarft 2 commences flying.

Anyway BNE-GLT,ROK,MKY all up by end of March

Initially 4 BNE-ROK flights a week each way,5 BNE-MKY a week each way and 10 BNE-GLT a week each way.

This will increase to 15 BNE-ROK each way,13 BNE-MKY each way and 15 BNE-GLT each way per week.

There are also increases to Roma and Bundaberg and Emerald listed in today's news.


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 21730 times:

So Royal Brunei is going to daily to Melbourne from March.
http://www.ausbt.com.au/royal-brunei...-melbourne-brunei-flights-in-march

Looks like they are showing some sort of a commitment to Melbourne then. They have enough surplus 777s to keep this daily having given up other long haul routes recently.
But it seems an awful waste to keep the planes on the ground in MEL for some 14 odd hours (plane arrives Melbourne 10pm ish and leave the next day at 12 noon ish).

Good luck to them!


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 21692 times:

Not so much a commitment- more an act of desperation. The flight is timed to connect with LHR in both directions, hence the MEL overnight (which doesn't cost anything as MEL doesn't levy parking charges). Remember after the recent longhaul route cuts to AKL/BNE/PER there is no additional LHR feed.

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 21674 times:

^^ Desperation is a big call to make. It obviously sees some value in the MEL market, and with D7 ceasing its European services, I wants to attempt to use that as a way of selling its product.

It could have restarted BNE/PER/AKL if they wanted, but chose not to, and increased MEL. Take from that what you want really.

As for MEL, when I was there on Saturday morning, T2 was maxed out, even to the point where GA and CA both had to wait over 15 minutes to get a gate. BI 777, JQ A330 (X2), EK 777 and QF 744 were all moved to remote parking during that time to allow for space

There were quite a few A320/737 sized aircraft at T2, whiuch is where a dual purpose T3 would come in handy if they chose to go down that route. The current T2 gates would be freed up for the A330/767 and up.


User currently offlineshnoob940 From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21650 times:

Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
* Virgin Australia to deploy A330s MEL-PER/SYD

According to the website, they have been using A330s on DJ849 for months now. I nearly booked once.

Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
* Air Asia finally confirms SYD services from mid-2012

$99 fares must be a big loss. Flying to KUL on them in June.



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User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21646 times:

Good point, IndianicWorld, I didn't think of the excess London-bound capacity that would have otherwise chosen Air Asia X.

I was at T2 at MEL the other week and it indeed is gate chaos at times. However even landside in the departure areas, it seems every spare space is being taken up for modified check-in counters and pop up coffee stores and other shops. Looks like such an ill-planned mess.


25 IndianicWorld : ^^ Its called profit maximisation. Squeeze in every last thing into the existing infrastructure until you really have to expand. The T2 expansion was
26 VH-BZF : Melbourne has been a victim of its own success. It has grown so rapidly and with the advent of narrow bodies on Tasman flights coupled with massive in
27 eta unknown : The only value of MEL is to provide feed for LHR- it has to do with the "restructure" plan and "going back to their roots" (their words). Air Asia X
28 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ BNE has done well of late with QF I agree. It must be a shock to see the QF love In MEL's case, it has 2 X daily QF A380s which cause gate access i
29 Post contains images IndianicWorld : D7 doesn't factor into the decision at all? Now thats a strange call. Maybe you should read their own words in their announcement of the increase. It
30 VH-BZF : I also understand that Melbourne is also due to see further increases in flights from Seoul by Korean Air this year as well. With BI increasing as wel
31 IndianicWorld : What services has SYD lost? I think its good to see less reliance on 1 city, with airlines now taking an active role in exploiting options left aroun
32 QantasA333 : Meanwhile ADL has many empty slots available to international carriers! With the terminal expansion shortly happening, when will we see a new carrier?
33 VH-BZF : Agreed!
34 Post contains images IndianicWorld : I could see a CZ flight in the next few years. Other carriers: - EK is on record stating that they are looking at ADL but will not start service to a
35 QantasA333 : What is CZ reasoning? I never heard of them considering ADL.
36 rushed : Aren't CZ trying to fly to everywhere???
37 Post contains links vhqpa : I'd like to add that I flew them last night (Monday 30 January) and it appears to be doing quite well. Was scheduled as a Metroliner. But ended up be
38 Post contains links and images tayser : The dilemma: start restricting international ops to certain times or expand again? lol ^ anyone know what a 747 is doing at a T1 gate? Probably hasn't
39 IndianicWorld : ^^ I think the T3/4 development will likely have an international component. If it doesn't, then either using buses (suggested by a user on another fo
40 ZuluAlpha : I can see not too long until DH4's into RMA. I know they recently lengthened (to 1500 meters) the runway and strengthened the runway and taxiways to
41 eta unknown : At the risk of sounding rude- no. The press releases are pure spin (we could segway into the practices of the Bruneian media here, but not so relevan
42 747m8te : EK - Actually I'm surprised EK have not yet started ADL ops, they must be in as a strong possibility! EY - Again a strong possibility...wonder if the
43 DJMEL : The A330 is deployed once a week on DJ849 on Sunday's only at 1400, comes in as DJ888 from SYD on Saturday night at 2130, for overnight maintence at
44 tullamarine : It is either - Antarctic flight - 744 subbing for A330 on a PER service What airline (blue-green tails) is at Gate 14? I'm guessing Air Vanuatu but c
45 EK413 : Any indications as to where the airport will expand the aprons next...? The layout doesn't seem to give much room for expansion... EK413
46 cwalt2 : Hi IndianicWorld, I was speaking with one of the carrier's seniors execs last week on the China Southern Airways branded ferry as part of the Ferryth
47 IndianicWorld : The 2015 timeframe was mentioned as them looking at ADL, OOL or CNS, so atleast they appear to be sticking to a common line on that. CNS has no chine
48 QF175 : First Class is available on CZ's A330-300 services ex-Sydney and Brisbane (4 seats each flight), along with Business, Premium Economy and Economy. Tha
49 Post contains links QF175 : Tiger Airways has announced that it will relaunch Melbourne - Cairns in 2012 and add extra capacity to its existing Melbourne - Sydney/Perth routes. I
50 IndianicWorld : Interesting. It appears that the CZ A380s are confugured 8F/70J/428Y (506 Total), which is a lot of capacity to fill. I still think it will take quit
51 qf002 : All this ADL discussion -- perhaps the demand simply does not exist. We have seen QF shy away from services out of ADL for years, and there are only r
52 Ben175 : CZ also offers F on on A330-300 flights to PER, which makes it and EK the only two airlines offering a First product out of Perth.
53 Post contains images cam747 : NZ also has a daily flight to Auckland which I hear is doing pretty well. I find it a bit sad that QF has basically given up on ADL and would prefer
54 Post contains links PITrules : Didn't QF introduce 744 service on the PER-SYD/MEL run when Virgin Australia started domestic A-330 operations? Instead of planning and building for
55 JQflightie : QF have had the 744 on SYD-PER before DJ even got their A330's, in anticipation for the commencement of DJ's A330 service. QF do not currently run 74
56 Jackbr : I thought the domestic 747s used gates 21/23 at MEL?
57 qf002 : Date taken? The properties of the photo says Jan 31st 2012 but also says 11:37pm which is obviously wrong... Agreed, though I'm not sure that there's
58 sierrakilo44 : Rumours floating around about the QF 5/6 service to FRA being suspended, any truth to that? Have also heard that BER is a possible replacement, with t
59 vhebb : I don't think we will see QF drop Germany, I do see them swapping FRA for BER similar to the upcoming EZE to SCL swap. Part of the international restr
60 AusA380 : I think the reference is to international flights from ADL which has never been a strong QF interest. Domestically, yes ADL is improving.
61 ZuluAlpha : The official date for AB to join one world is 20March
62 cam747 : Yes apologies, I should have specified that I was referring to QF direct international flights out of ADL. I am aware ADL is still an important focus
63 nascarnut : Appears Alliance Airlines may be moving up to 737 size aircraft. Ex Jetconnect ZK-JTQ 737-400 is in the process of being repainted in Alliance colours
64 jetfuel : Virgin Australia Boeing 777-300ER VH-VPD arrived in AKL today for mx
65 EK413 : Was going to start a separate thread but thought I'll post in the Australian aviation discussion... Emirates airlines could face fines of more than $1
66 sydscott : The biggest impediment to BER is a lack of premium traffic demand. FRA is the commercial and business hub where you get business travellers wanting t
67 IndianicWorld : ^^ Now that would be a very big penalty to pay. Is it really worth risking penalties like that by taking the actions they allegedly have? Damn. Sounds
68 AA909 : Absolutely. It's serviceable but usually busy, and sometimes hard to find a seat. It's less DH8-100,-200 and -300s flying out of there these days, mo
69 EK413 : The 2nd Sydney Airport question has been raised again personally i dont see it happening... EK413
70 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ I agree hence why I didn't even touch on that Issues like this will make airlines think twice about SYD flights in future though, given the lack of
71 Quokkas : Who would make the decision to break the curfew - EK management or the OIC of the flight? Might it come down to how desperately they need to relocate
72 qf002 : I agree. It makes little sense for QF to continue to fly into FRA when they can carry 90% of the traffic through BER, and pick up significant additio
73 Quokkas : I am not familiar with all the scheduled arrivals and departures at SYD, so how tight is the demand for gate space before the present scheduled arriv
74 qf002 : I don't think that there would be any issues (could be wrong, that's just my impression from looking at the list of arrivals/departures). It would be
75 Post contains images Mikey86 : I was speaking to the EY reps not long ago and I asked them about BNE service increases and they said there was no planned services in the near future
76 Post contains links sydscott : Have a read of this; http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...t-sucess-far-from-guaranteed-63407 To quote - "Air Berlin dominates short-haul traffic fr
77 eaglefarm4 : Borghetti when he took over Virgin decided not to pursue the BNE-AUH services at this time.A review was carried out and they decided not to fly this r
78 eaglefarm4 : Yes seen in AKL hangar yesterday.Remember they are down 2 F100's for Virgin use so may make sense.
79 EK413 : The main issue in EK's case is the fact several airlines including EK received notice to cancel their flights and accommodate their passengers in hot
80 alangirvan : One thing that may be influencing Qantas on FRA is the new curfew at that airport. Qantas wants to do very late departures from that airport, which w
81 sydscott : Or they could extend the transit time in Singapore for an hour or so? That would probably be the simplest way of dealing with it.
82 Zkpilot : Simply bring forward the departure time from FRA forward to 2100. The plane sits on the ground there all day so should not suffer from any technical
83 VH-BZF : Don't hear the masses or the media complaining about VA sending their jets overseas for mx, yet when QF do it, it's the end of the world! Just an obs
84 alangirvan : This suggestion might be TOO sensible for Qantas Management to consider. Qantas has been getting rid of the lunchtime or early afternoon departures f
85 thegeek : Experienced this today. This product is a good step forward, but it is somewhat undone for short sectors (like my SYD-BNE) by the inability to use th
86 eta unknown : No way- SIN transit costs are VERY high- better to retime FRA times.
87 smi0006 : Not sure if it has been mentioned on here EY will shortly commence flying AUH-SYD with a 77W for VA whilst they send on of their 77Ws in for maintenac
88 747m8te : Exactly right! glad someone else thinks that too, off shore work not supporting aussie jobs call the media quick....oh wait its not qantas.....funny
89 Rotation : Doesn't this come up on the forum every time a DJ plane goes in for maintenance?
90 Auchmithie : EY's 77Ws do not have F.
91 Flyingsottsman : Which suprises me realy hey its great to have another international airline here in MELB but they axed SYD/BNE/PER/AKL and kept MELB usaly its the ot
92 smi0006 : Apologise only repeating the official info I was given... bit awkward an error for an official source though lol! This lease must be an expensive exe
93 IndianicWorld : Flyingscotsman, BI dropped SYD long ago. It failed there and cut it, moving their focus to BNE and PER. MEL was only a recent flight addition. I would
94 Flyingsottsman : I am suprised SYD didnt work, what was their problem with SYD?
95 ZuluAlpha : I wonder what the Senate committee, raised by Nick Xenophon, and more importantly the TWU who I think is the main union behind the VA employees (plea
96 EK413 : Both carriers have a codesharing agreement on the route so I really can't see how this could be an expensive exercise? EK413
97 Ben175 : Hasn't been posted here yet - QR have reloaded PER as a 77L from day one, replacing the 332 that was originally supposed to commence the route. The de
98 Bluebird191 : Anna Bligh, the premier of Qld accounced within the last hour on Twitter that Scoot will start flights to the Gold Coast in June. I'm struggling to fi
99 Post contains links WLG787 : Scoot to the Gold Coast 5 times per week www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2012/02...07/388621_gold-coast-business.html[Edited 2012-02-06 16:34:16]
100 EK413 : In AKL for a new coat of paint in the VA scheme? EK413
101 eaglefarm4 : Yes i hope they have done their homework as a 400 seat 772 will be touch and go out of OOL. CZ and OOL airport agreed that their 280 seat 777-200's co
102 sydscott : Why JQ hasn't started this route already is beyond me! It's an obvious connection into their SIN hub from an airport that is all JQ and already sees
103 Post contains links JQflightie : im surprised that no-one has posted this... a good read. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/
104 6thfreedom : Because they don't have any spare 330s. not sure what the JQ response will be, but I can see D7 moving to BNE and taking over MH ops.
105 IndianicWorld : Very true about the lack of JQ/3K A330's being available. Given that D7 were reporting marginal yields at best when they had the market to themselves
106 Bluebird191 : What benefit would the D7/MH group have in transferring their BNE flights to D7 when SQ is so strong here? IMO, a replacement shouldn't be the only op
107 eaglefarm4 : Yes being a SE QLD local(Brisbane northern suburbs) i also have to scratch my head in regards to MH/D7 and the selection of OOL for D7 over BNE. I tra
108 koruman : A couple of times I have gone through security at OOL for my NZ flight at the same time as the Air Asia X one. My observation was that well over 80% o
109 eaglefarm4 : No since BNE lost BI i would assume there is quite a market there for a LCC carrier as BI was heavily used out of BNE to both the UK and Asian destina
110 sydscott : Sure they don't now but they've had opportunity in the past to start it when they took delivery of new A330's. But instead they opted for routes such
111 eta unknown : D7 just couldn't make OOL work- it started off well, then went sour especially compared to their MEL/PER flights. It's not so much of a potential batt
112 eaglefarm4 : You are right BI was not a low cost carrier, however the fares were very economical[Edited 2012-02-07 19:32:15]
113 qf002 : Next to no local market for them to tap into, and BI is unable to compete with the likes of QF/BA, EK, EY, SQ, TG, KE etc in terms of connections thr
114 alangirvan : Scoot have said that their next two cities will be in Asia - if those cities are Beijing and Shanghai, they could offer connections from those cities
115 6thfreedom : not quite right: top MH markets for BNE Malaysia United Kingdom India Thailand China Vietnam Ireland Indonesia Netherlands Germany France Italy Phili
116 sydscott : QF itself needs to get back onto SYD-PEK and start building the direct services!
117 eta unknown : Re MH BNE: sorry, I'll rephrase... MH flights might have a high number of LHR pax, but compared to all the other carriers carrying pax on that route,
118 Mikey86 : Yet they can make it to BNE? The only reason I would assume this is because of the length of the runway at OOL.
119 eaglefarm4 : Yes i was talking about the runway length.
120 qf002 : Question for those with more information -- there seems to be quite a large number of QF domestic cancellations occurring at the moment (ie the last f
121 koruman : I think that Virgin has very skilfully taken advantage of Qantas' sudden lockout of its own passengers. John Borghetti has rushed through the refit o
122 qf002 : Not sure that that's got anything to do with these cancellations. I doubt QF would be cancelling flights to RMA (which VA doesn't even fly to) in res
123 Post contains links vhebb : Guys, The QF cancellation rate is no more than normal. Some of the QF cancellations recently are QFLink fights that are disrupted due to the flooding
124 Post contains images allrite : Can someone identify the airline of the left (red tail, triangle in crescent) that I spotted in Melbourne on 3rd Feb? Been searching hard online and I
125 Post contains images aflyingkiwi : It's Atlasjet, I believe that plane is operating for Air Australia. Regards, aflyingkiwi
126 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ Correct. Operating for VC In a hybrid Saudia-Atlasjet livery. Talk about an identity crisis Those pix just show how much the A330 dominates at MEL
127 Post contains images allrite : Thanks guys! Very true in Australia. I was getting sick of flying A330s. At least we still have a few 747s around! Apart from the A380s two other air
128 FlyboyOz : Yes it's atlasjet. Air Australia lease that aircraft to fly between BNE and MEL.
129 vhebb : Hi all, Just a few Qantas fleet updates: QF B734 VH-TJO has been retired and departed Australia. QF B763 VH-OGE has been retired and departed Australi
130 Post contains images JQflightie : i would love to see the ZX series depart Australia!!!!!!! Honestly, The ZX's must have more cycles on them then the OG's ??? Can anyone help here....
131 Post contains links sierrakilo44 : Looks like QF will be dropping FRA, JFK on Thursday according to this: http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads...308e6996156719&p=460476#post460476 A
132 vhebb : If QF was gonna cut JFK and FRA wouldn't they have done it a few months ago when the Intl restructure was announced? Both JFK and FRA were rumored to
133 Post contains links sierrakilo44 : Yep, it will be interesting to see what the reaction to any changes are, and especially after Joyce today stated that he believes the grounding was "
134 qf002 : I'm very skeptical. They're going to be very busy working with the major changes occurring over the next 6 weeks to LHR to worry about dealing with m
135 Flyingsottsman : Dont know what to make of this, weather to belive it or not, I think some one in this thread said they might drop Frankfurt for Berlin, how is the SY
136 kiwiandrew : It would just sit on the ground at LAX for half a day like a lot of the QF fleet already does every day (unless, as has been rumoured from time to ti
137 747m8te : JFK route is pointless, could definately see it going, you still have to land and clear customs in LAX and change planes...you may as well just conne
138 Post contains links RyanairGuru : Also it has been rumored that they will announce job cuts on Thursday. http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news...rs-in-a-world-of-pain/2454271.aspx What
139 sydscott : I don't know, with NYC being a major source of premium pax for both AA and BA it makes sense for QF to keep the route open on their own metal. From a
140 RyanairGuru : But what are their options? UA and DL. If QF stopped flying to JFK I'm sure some regulars on the route would grumble, but I doubt they would out-righ
141 sydscott : Yeah but my point is why would you fly UA or DL to connect to a QF flight? You wouldn't. UA and DL are both bigger and stronger in New York than what
142 qf002 : Surely QF would only ditch JFK if it allowed them to redirect a decent part of their NYC traffic to bolster the DFW flights? This could only work thou
143 aerokiwi : Melbourne's international terminal is at breaking point at several times the day. A recent flight that arrived 15 minutes early from New Zealand resul
144 IndianicWorld : It doesn't cut it today, and theres no room to grow at T2, so medium/long term something has to change. T3 needs to become International, or atleast
145 sydscott : Why not build out the second pier of T1 and move the QF/JQ International services over there? Sure you'd need to find a place to put the Qantaslink f
146 RyanairGuru : Actually that could be a pretty good stop-gap/permanent solution. Is there room at T1 to build a third (international) pier?
147 eaglefarm4 : Same thing is happening at BNE domestic.Qantaslink now use the common user terminal with their leased Alliance Fokker 100 flights. Talking of Fokker 1
148 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Not really, without demolishing several buildings and possily having to build over the roadway to Sunbury. Theres more scope to move South than there
149 Post contains links and images tayser : There's still the extension of the infield terminal to go (northwards) which would add 4-5 gates in the short-medium term according to the Masterplan
150 Post contains links QF175 : Air Mauritius will suspend its loss making services to Sydney and Melbourne effective May 2012. Perth appears to be unaffected under the network revie
151 tullamarine : Tayser I think you are right about using T3's original pier as an international terminal capable of handling single aisle jets makes perfect sense. Yo
152 Post contains images sydscott : Yes but the end of that pier is used for Qantaslink. Judging by the picture respresentation of the Masterplan above there is room for a 3rd pier off
153 aerokiwi : Airport masterplans come and go, though. And frankly, the extension of the new concourse is needed now, not in 2-5-10 years. And even with that exten
154 tullamarine : That representation assumes the realignment of the Bulla Road underground. I think other posters are correct in saying that building new terminals to
155 Post contains links BNE : A Toll Aviation Metro did a wheels up landing at Brisbane airport this morning. News from the local paper.
156 tayser : I know where you're coming from., but also have a look at the diagram - the current roadway (well, the original one!) is to be built over in the main
157 tayser : I doubt much space would ever been needed for QantasLink in MEL - there's very few regional destinations compared to NSW, QLD and WA - but yes, the o
158 Aussie_ : There is an article on the AFR website today with the rumour that Air Australia is about to go into administration due to unpaid debts. Does anyone kn
159 sydscott : Obviously they had some good sources! For those interested, the 3rd re-configured 744 for QF has now been flown to Brisbane to enter service today. V
160 RyanairGuru : This is responding to Qf002's question on the DL 747 mods page. This just seemed a more appropriate place to answer than boring the Delta crowd with a
161 Post contains images sydscott : I believe it has to do with the colours of Australia. It doesn't look too bad in the A380 although the times I've been in economy I prefer the very b
162 Post contains images 747m8te : Flew on OEH a month or so back before the new config, i'm curious to see it with the refit, just flew VH-OEF on the weekend in seat 3A and 1A...stil
163 Post contains images qf002 : Thanks! Shame you couldn't get any photos (means I'll just have to try get on the plane sooner!), but interesting to hear your experience... What did
164 EK413 : Not the first time Air Mauritius drops the east coast of Australia from their network... EK413
165 RyanairGuru : Since I was in the forward section it didn't feel "too big". The galley design was interesting since it only covers the right aisle and the central s
166 Post contains links tayser : http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...urne-Airport-continue-to-grow.html see link for full press release.
167 TN486 : For all you MEL spotters I have received advice the last SQ pax 747 into MEL will be 25 Mar arr 0720 and dep 1120. Ac to op service could be 9V SPQ. c
168 Post contains links eaglefarm4 : BNE had it's biggest growth month in pax since Feb 2008 10.9% growth in January Courtesy of BAC news. http://bne.com.au/media-centre/media...es/double
169 TruemanQLD : Wow not doing to badly then! Over 400,000 international passengers is good as well
170 thegeek : The question is: why? Fly in/Fly out miners?
171 eaglefarm4 : Virgin Australia will receive it's 5th ATR 72-500 early tomorrow at Brisbane Airport.A 6th one will follow very soon. Virgin commenced their 6th BNE-M
172 RyanairGuru : My guesses are: (a) mining boom (b) strong local economy driving outbound tourism (c) improving QLD inbound tourism (although this one is relative!)
173 Post contains links thegeek : NZ restarting AKL-MCY, 2pw Sun/Thu from 1 July: http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...y/2012/02/23/us-tourists-on-radar/ Odd time of year!
174 kiwiandrew : Re-starting? I don't think that they have ever previously operated the route.
175 thegeek : I'll admit hearsay. I heard that they have, but could be wrong. Come to think of it, I don't remember MCY being international before.
176 thegeek : I'm told AKL-MCY has been done by NZ as a charter before, with a 733.
177 ZuluAlpha : Looks like it will be an A320 now (though I guess you couldn't expect anything else than this)
178 thegeek : I wonder how much MCY airport and its council are chipping in for this route. It's good to see them piloting the route before spending hundreds of mil
179 RyanairGuru : I didn't realise that MCY was even capable of handling international flights. I definitely wish them all the best on the route, as a Sunshine Coaster
180 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Just lazing at BNE today and had fortunate to see a couple of interests guests at BNE. First off, apologies to the quality as only taken with my iPhon
181 ditzyboy : There has never previously been any form of bulkhead or divider on the outboard sides of the QF 747 that break up the Economy cabin. The one on the r
182 eaglefarm4 : ZuluAlpha there was a Atlas 744F in yesterday as well as today. Cheers.
183 RyanairGuru : OK, sorry about that... the only other time I've been on a QF 747 I was in Y+. I did walk to the back of the plane, but I guess I've forgotten what i
184 ZuluAlpha : Thanks eaglefarm4 Is this going to be a regular thing then ?
185 xiaotung : Does anyone know if New Castle Airport has passport control and Customs? The reason I ask is that Norfolk Air flies there. I know they are treated as
186 qf002 : Awkward for me... Like RyanairGuru, it's been a long time since I was in Y on a QF 744 (December 2003 IIRC)...
187 JQflightie : yes they do have have customs and quarentine, what they have is a big glass wall and they pull it across and seperate one of the baggage claim area's
188 DavidByrne : For a while, some years ago, the airport had a short-lived 3x weekly flight to AKL on Freedom Air, so it must have had all appropriate facilities bac
189 ditzyboy : Perhaps the very small Y cabin of the Pacific configuration fooled you? You have a small J cabin, W and Y all aft of doors 2 - it would certainly hav
190 RyanairGuru : I think you're right. It was a Pacific 747 I was on that time, so when I walked from W to Y it seemed broken up
191 QF175 : 02MAR12 The IASC has decided against extending the Qantas/South African Airways codeshare agreement past 31 December 2012. Both carriers were seeking
192 thegeek : Was supposed to already be over though. No guarantee that they won't back down again and extend it by another year.
193 BAeRJ100 : There's a rumour going around Perth Airport (emphasis on rumour), that QF is interested in starting A380 operations to Johannesburg via PER, and that
194 qf002 : If QF is planning on serving PER-JNB, then my money is on QF63/64 making a stop 2-3 times a week (at least to begin with). So if JNB is slated for th
195 sydscott : The last extension was to receive further information from Qantas and the SAA. From reading the entire IASC finding it's clear that they have conclud
196 jrfspa320 : The QF332s could work PER-JNB....
197 sydscott : I doubt that would be economical because they would have to fly an extra-ordinarly long routing to stay within their ETOPS operating limits. That was
198 9MMPD : SA and QF's relationship needs to end. There is no competition on the route. Living in Perth I have a lot of South African friends and collegues and f
199 gemuser : Between MUR & PER there is a small ETOPS180 detour, it is nothing compared to the detour for both SYD & MEL. For the life of me I do not know
200 qf002 : It's also worth noting that SA has stated that the A332 is an option for them into PER. The diversion is pretty minimal out of PER, so I think it's a
201 Post contains links QF175 : Australian Aviation thread # 59 is now up and running! http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5402709/
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