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EK Announces Daily DXB-BCN And 2nd Daily DXB-MAD  
User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 646 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12001 times:

Emirates will launch two new daily flights to Spain in July. One new route to BCN, and another additional daily flight to MAD. All flights will be operated with the 77W, which is surprising in both cases, because they usually start with smaller aircraft.

If the new flights work, maybe in the future MAD could see EK's 380...

EK185 DXB 0655 BCN 1200 77W Daily (From JUL03)
EK185 BCN 1640 DXB 0100 77W Daily

EK141 DXB 0750 MAD 1345 77W Daily (already existing)
EK142 MAD 1525 DXB 0040 77W Daily (already existing)

EK143 DXB 1425 MAD 2020 77W Daily (From JUL01)
EK144 MAD 2210 DXB 0715 77W Daily

Source in Spanish: http://www.europapress.es/economia/t...arcelona-julio-20120125134103.html

And in English: http://www.jordandirections.com/2012...mirates-ramps-up-services-to-spain

[Edited 2012-01-25 05:49:47]

53 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11676 times:

Good to see!

Interesting that BCN starts with a 77W, that MAD is so quickly increased to 2x daily, and that both flights will be by the 77W.

EK185 DXB 0655 BCN 1200 77W Daily (From JUL03)
EK185 BCN 1640 DXB 0100 77W Daily

I'm guessing these timings (0655 departure, 0100 arrival) are more the consequence of congestion at EK's very busy periods?

[Edited 2012-01-25 06:50:07]


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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11611 times:

Good for these Spanish cities!

Now that BCN is covered, ARN can't be far down the list over new EK European destinations.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11415 times:

This moves is clearly in answer to QR and its recently announced Spain expansion. EK could just not stay behind with BCN.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2):
ARN can't be far down the list over new EK European destinations

ARN and OSL should definitely be in the pipeline, as is BRU.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11348 times:

What's amazing is that IB does not fly to a single Asian city (except TLV), from their enourmous hub, supposedly for lack of demand, and yet EK can make 3 daily flights to Spain work. It makes you wonder.

User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1635 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11137 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
What's amazing is that IB does not fly to a single Asian city (except TLV), from their enourmous hub, supposedly for lack of demand, and yet EK can make 3 daily flights to Spain work. It makes you wonder.

Not really given that EK is connecting Madrid/Barcelona to a huge array of other destinations in South, South East and East Asia along with Australia/New Zealand, which on aggregate probably justifies the flights versus IB's would be connection from Spain to one or two cities if they chose to open up Asian operations...their aircraft are probably better utilized on their Central/South America network where they enjoy monopolies on certain routes.

That said, an IB service to an Asian oneworld hub (suppose that would be Tokyo Narita or Hong Kong) would be interesting...



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2815 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11071 times:

Finally EK to BCN! Great news! Unfortunately, they start one day too late for me: I need to be in MEL on Jul 3, and I'd have loved to try EK, although the 10-abreast 77W worries me. Anyway, it's going to get interesting with QR, which apparently is doing very well, and, to a lesser extend, with SQ.


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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11049 times:

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 5):
Not really given that EK is connecting Madrid/Barcelona to a huge array of other destinations in South, South East and East Asia along with Australia/New Zealand, which on aggregate probably justifies the flights versus IB's would be connection from Spain to one or two cities if they chose to open up Asian operations.

Would you mind explaining that concept to those that don't understand why there is no British carrier operating long-haul from MAN.

Be ever so much appreciated !



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User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
What's amazing is that IB does not fly to a single Asian city (except TLV), from their enourmous hub, supposedly for lack of demand, and yet EK can make 3 daily flights to Spain work. It makes you wonder.

Absolutely agree.


User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10912 times:

I have to say that I am like...WOW !

I mean, in a matter of one year and a half BCN has seen from zero frequencies to the Middle East to have 2 daily QR frequencies to DOH with an 332 and a daily 77W to DXB with EK.

Am I missing something ? I know 90 % of the pax are transit passengers, but still.... I do not get it. On top of that, Spain is not at the moment at his best in terms of economy..

QR and JK, the never ending story. Either EK knows that the agreement is imminent and wants to stop QR expansion here or definitely I am missing something...

In any case, glad to see BCN growing

[Edited 2012-01-25 08:29:27]

[Edited 2012-01-25 08:30:28]

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10705 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
I'm guessing these timings (0655 departure, 0100 arrival) are more the consequence of congestion at EK's very busy periods?

You are very likely right. There are increasing congestion issues both in the 7 - 9 am morning departure wave and in the midnight arrivals bank. Because of this rather early departure time, the DXB BCN flight will not be available to incoming passengers from such destionations as SYD, LOS, ACC, ABJ and the Indian Subcontinent. I presume that the SYD issue will be fixed though. All other Asian and African connections are covered.


User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 7):
Would you mind explaining that concept to those that don't understand why there is no British carrier operating long-haul from MAN.

*cough* VS *cough*

It's also good to see EK taking advantage of the potential in the Spanish market.

[Edited 2012-01-25 10:27:06]

User currently offlineronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10419 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
I presume that the SYD issue will be fixed though.

Will there be changes to EK413 and/or EK419 timings?



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4791 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10364 times:

The top volume metric markets of interest to EK in BCN would be as follows (based on annual demand stats):

DXB - 27,000 pax
NRT - 116,000 pax
KIX - 32,000 pax
HKG - 31,000 pax
MNL - 17,000 pax
BKK - 20,000 pax
SIN - 41,000 pax
KWI - 10,000 pax
PVG - 87,000 pax
PEK - 44,000 pax
JNB - 20,000 pax
BOM - 16,000 pax
DEL - 53,000 pax
LHE - 18,000 pax
ISB - 28,000 pax
SYD - 13,000 pax
MEL - 11,000 pax


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13152 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10338 times:
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I find the 'defensive launch' to BCN interesting. There were prior threads here on a.net, when EK launched MAD service, where the MAD crowd was trying to predict there would be no BCN service... Now we have:

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 9):
I mean, in a matter of one year and a half BCN has seen from zero frequencies to the Middle East to have 2 daily QR frequencies to DOH with an 332 and a daily 77W to DXB with EK.

  

I suspect QR will grow their DOH service, but mostly after their new airport is completed.

Quoting realsim (Thread starter):
If the new flights work, maybe in the future MAD could see EK's 380...

I suspect within 18 months for EK 141/142.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 12):
Will there be changes to EK413 and/or EK419 timings?

I suspect EK will have to turn some of their waves into 'rolling waves' to support growth with the current congestion.

With the flood of aircraft coming online in the next two years, I expect EK to do very well with expansion.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Jeez, EK is just slapping capacity all over Europe, all the time. Didn't MAD just recently start? Is it performing that well? or is this just another plug to send a new aircraft to?


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User currently offlineBommerJan From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

No one should have to fly 10-abreast in a 77X!!!!....

But living in BCN I can see the market for EK: Many Chinese, Pakistani, Indian immigrants, plus a Spanish elite, whose travels are not affected by the economy.

On another note: I flew SQ both BCN-GRU (Jan2012) and BCN-SIN (Aug2012) and all flights were full.

Demand is definitely there.... and IB has no chance of getting any of it.


User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8919 times:

Quoting BommerJan (Reply 16):
But living in BCN I can see the market for EK: Many Chinese, Pakistani, Indian immigrants, plus a Spanish elite, whose travels are not affected by the economy.
Quoting BommerJan (Reply 16):
I flew SQ both BCN-GRU (Jan2012) and BCN-SIN (Aug2012) and all flights were full.

There is market but I really doubt there is such a big market in here. Besides, QR , EK and SQ will not be the only carriers offering connex to China, Pakistan ,etc. There will always be the big European hubs...

If anybody wants to make me believe that there is a market for a daily 77W from the very first day of operations, sorry but it will take time to convince me ! I could understand a 332 4 or 5 times a week, then a 772, and so on. But a daily 77W seems to me an strategy to get someone out of biz.

SQ is full to GRU mainly with SIN pax. And yes, IB should be ashamed to see how BCN can grow without them at all.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8552 times:

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 17):
SQ is full to GRU mainly with SIN pax.

Really? The general consensus I've seen from those who have more information on this forum is that there is a very low percentage of passengers travelling onward to GRU after the BCN stop...

In any case, the 77W is a very effective tool of attack for EK -- a lot of capacity, which I imagine they will be selling at (or just below) cost for the first few months to drum up traffic. Then they can return to a level matching the fares of QR, SQ etc after the sale period is over and will end up with equal success.

I wonder how their cargo ops are performing -- could be a major consideration in the choice to send the 77W...


User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Come on EK, announce ORD

User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8201 times:
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Spain has many S Asian immigrants? Anybody have any figures to back that up? I didn't see any when I was there.

User currently offlinejgp777 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):

I flew SQ last Monday from BCN to GRU. I was chatting with the crew and they said that most of the time very few pax go all the way to GRU from SIN. On my flight, we had a full flight in economy. And the crew said that only 10% of these pax originated from SIN.
I was a bit surprised after I realized that the flight was full because I purchased a round trip ticket 4 days before flying from MAD-GRU via BCN on JK and SQ for just 970 Euros! The other options were IB and TAM with over 1200 Euros. I think this was a great deal considering the flight was full.
I think EK will attract a lot of customers to Asia with their new flight into BCN, perhaps even more than QR in a short period of time. The reason being that EK has many daily connections from DXB to South Asia and Far East, a thing which QR doesnt have. For example, one cannot fly from BCN to BOM on all days with QR because the flight from BCN is timed differently every alternate day and QR has only one daily flight from DOH to BOM. But with EK having 5 or more daily frequencies to BOM, you can connect daily.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

To all of you wondering how can EK operate so many capacity into cities even the national carriers cannot run profitably - due to the sheer size of EK's operation and the enormous connectivity it brings; EK's network is now in a level where they can simply open up a city and see the flights being filled. The well connected banks provide a world of opportunities to the pax, and even if each of EK's destinations only got 4 pax per day out of BCN, it will fill the 77W.
Yet Emirates is still being modest and seem to be only opening up cities with significant demand as well as good yield. Otherwise, EK clearly can serve a much wider range of cities, just with the demand out of its own network.

Lightsaber, why go for a rolling hub when there's DWC?



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

Quoting ronerone (Reply 12):
Will there be changes to EK413 and/or EK419 timings?
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
I suspect EK will have to turn some of their waves into 'rolling waves' to support growth with the current congestion.

Right now, the arrival times of EK0413 and EK0419 from SYD bring them just under the minimum connecting time for the BCN flight. I expect this issue to be taken care of by slightly retiming the arrival time of at least one of the SYD flights. All other South East Asian connections are guaranteed though.

This schedule nevertheless goes to show how urgent the congestion issue in the morning departure bank has become. Meanwhile, we can expect more European cities (BRU, OSL, ARN are at the top of my list) announced over the next couple of seasons, all with schedules in the morning departure bank.

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 19):
Come on EK, announce ORD

My money is on IAD and even MIA before ORD.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5853 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
You are very likely right. There are increasing congestion issues both in the 7 - 9 am morning departure wave and in the midnight arrivals bank. Because of this rather early departure time, the DXB BCN flight will not be available to incoming passengers from such destionations as SYD, LOS, ACC, ABJ and the Indian Subcontinent. I presume that the SYD issue will be fixed though. All other Asian and African connections are covered.

Hello HB-IWC, always very very interesting to read you.   

I have a question:
is EK really "stealing" a part of Europe-West Africa traffic ? I mean do they really attract Nigerians flying from UK to LOS or ACC or even Ivorians flying out of CDG to ABJ ? I mean it's quite a detour for a fare differential that is not that big, isn't it ? I was wondering since I know they also have an interest in opening Kinshasa in DRC when they find a suitable tag-on (Cameroon, Gabon ?).


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25 Post contains images Pe@rson : I remember randomly and recently searching for CDG-ABJ fares. The second-cheapest, but only a little, was EK with CDG-DXB-ACC-ABJ.
26 airbazar : That is indeed a big number however, DXB is a crapy connecting point for most of those destinations, especially for premium passengers. Of the top 5
27 hal9213 : My guess is, most of the 332/772 at EK dont have the demand to warrant an upgrade (most of them used for the high frequency regional routes). And the
28 migair54 : I think is a matter of availability of planes... that´s why they go straight to B77W.... BCN can also get a nice cargo uplipft, BCN is a very big ind
29 IrishAyes : IB has always kept their focus on MAD, which has actually been a smarter strategy for them given the weaker-yielding traffic heads to BCN. While the
30 HB-IWC : EK tends to start routes based on what they believe to be the initial passeger and cargo potential. The airline could easily have started BCN with an
31 IBERIA747 : Nope. Iberia started the route with A332, and upgraded to A343 a couple months later or so. About the frequencies, you are correct. Flights have alwa
32 RAGAZZO777 : You mean Emirates, right ?
33 migair54 : Then i made the mistake with Qatar Airways... Last time I saw Emirates in T-4 they were parked on T-4S but on remote, are they still using remote sta
34 Post contains links Pe@rson : Interesting and relevant article on from the excellent people at CAPA: http://www.centreforaviation.com/blo...ng-haul-weakness-to-the-east-66900
35 Post contains links r2rho : Looks like QR is out of the deal - they have stepped away from the negotiations to buy 49% of JK. So no QR expansion in BCN to worry about (well at l
36 Post contains images connies4ever : Yes, Spain is not at the moment at the best in terms of economy. Yesterday the government announced that the official unemployment rate is now 23.8%,
37 lightsaber : Thanks for numbers. That implies MAD-NRT should be a direct flight (topped off with connections). DXB has more pax per day than I realized, but that
38 UALWN : Actually, if the official rate is 23.8%, the actual rate is probably more like 15%, because of the rampant undeclared job market...
39 Post contains images ROGERBCN : My exact thought
40 blink182 : Might that be a great 787 route for JL if they have JV with IB?
41 Quokkas : The upgauge to a A343 was much quicker than that. EK originally announced that MAD would commence with an A322 but within a week had already upgauged
42 Post contains links connies4ever : In the American situation, you might want to check up on: www.shadowstats.com to see what the official and unofficial numbers are. I have used these
43 IBERIA747 : A BIG Ooooooops!!!. Sorry!. Hahaha that's what happens when posting at work without time to review what I'm saying. Of course I meant Emirates. My ba
44 HB-IWC : Indeed. Although the route was announced with A332 from 01AUG 2010 and then subsequently upgauged the A343 from 31OCT 2010, it did not see more than
45 lightsaber : I apologize for missing this earlier. I do not believe EK/Dubai has the funds to build DWC for 7 to 10 years. Thus, EK will have to expand out of DXB
46 Post contains links Quokkas : The project has certainly faced delays but the airport is already operational. IIRC the first flight was operated by EK Skycargo in June 2010. At pre
47 Post contains images lightsaber : What I mean by 'build' DWC is for EK to move over. DWC is built with one runway, some maintenance facilities, and a tiny (by EK standards) terminal.
48 HB-IWC : I can not see that happening. Despite its size, Emirates does by far not operate enough frequencies on its network to even start thinking about organ
49 migair54 : What I didn´t expect it was MAD getting the B77W with the new suites.... is the second frequency also this plane configuration?? what about BCN??
50 zhiao : @conniesforever, 1. Shadow economy is included on Spain GDP by convention (European System of Nat Accounts). 2. The real unemployment rate (discourage
51 sq_ek_freak : Haha! This might have made my day...
52 lightsaber : Interesting... What about 'stretching' out the banks? Earlier arrivals and later departures for certain flights? Although I respect your opinion, I t
53 HB-IWC : Stretching the banks is exactly what EK has been doing. With a 6.55am departure time, BCN will be the first flight in the morning departure bank with
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