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CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?  
User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Last year Continental announced that the EWR-BER flight will be upgraded to a B-767-400 instead of the mix of 752/762 ! After looking for flights in the summer I noticed that all flights during the summer will only be flown with B-757-200 !
Why and when has it been downgraded again! The yields are supposed to be quite good as Business is always full?


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User currently onlinevinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Future IAD - BER maybe?

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5742 times:
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Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 1):
Future IAD - BER maybe?

If you believe talk at the Starbucks counter, there's the possibility of an Dulles-to-Berlin (EDDB?) 332.

Whose aircraft that would be I couldn't guess.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5598 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
If you believe talk at the Starbucks counter, there's the possibility of an Dulles-to-Berlin (EDDB?) 332.

Whose aircraft that would be I couldn't guess.

Aer lingus?


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5589 times:

Probably because the 757 can handle Berlin-Newark during the summer months....

But I agree with the op -- not sure why it's a 757 for the summer when tourism will probably be up.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5397 times:
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Quoting catiii (Reply 3):
Whose aircraft that would be I couldn't guess.
Aer lingus?


As far as I can tell. their only unspoken-for aircraft is a 333.

That's too much airplane for that particular route.


User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Did not hear anything about a possible IAD start! 333/332 of Aer Lingus sounds not right, as they already have problems with their union with the MAD flight etc. A 763 to IAD would be nice or even to ORD ! But still the 764 would be nice here in Berlin as advertised !

Of course the 752 can easily make it in the summer but the capicity is not enough! Not even Delta is coming back !!!!  



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User currently offlineKiwinlondon From New Zealand, joined Dec 2011, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4719 times:

I wonder if the 752 has the legs in both directions. I'm not sure of distances but would assume distance is greater than EWR-BRS which I know struggles westbound?

Demand would be strong I would suspect for this route.

Kiwinlondon


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3670 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

EWR-TXL has been a 752 since the beginning. Only the last few winters has the flight been a 762 to handle the TXL-EWR flight. I expect the flight could use a PMUA 763 once they start further integration of planes throughout the network.


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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Well as I said , they did announce an upgrade on the 764 last fall and they were loaded in GDS already, but now the flight changed back to 752!


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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

I think with Delta coming off the route, the yield potential has improved and they can simply achieve a higher yield with the 757. The 764 can probably generate a higher yield elsewhere.

Kind regards

Mike


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

There are a lot of bigger tourist draws than Berlin in Europe. The 764 can probably make more money serving one of them during the tourist season.

User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 1):
Future IAD - BER maybe?
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
If you believe talk at the Starbucks counter, there's the possibility of an Dulles-to-Berlin (EDDB?) 332.

I hope and pray that these rumors are true. It would make life much easier. However, for it to happen in summer, 2012, it seems like it would have already been announced. We shall see what we shall see.


User currently offlinefreeskies From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
There are a lot of bigger tourist draws than Berlin in Europe. The 764 can probably make more money serving one of them during the tourist season.

I'm not sure how you can make that claim! Berlin is the third most visited tourist destination in Europe, after London and Paris.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Quoting Delta777Jet (Thread starter):
Why and when has it been downgraded again!

I expect the current economic situation in Europe, and the likelihood that it's going to get much worse before it gets better, is a factor. Virtually all European carriers and many other carriers serving Europe are experiencing lower demand and are cutting capacity as a result.


User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Quoting freeskies (Reply 13):
I'm not sure how you can make that claim!

The same way everyone makes claims on the internet... by saying the first thing that comes to mind, without checking whether it's true!  

I really am excited to see how BER shuffles out though over the next few years, with the AB hub, LH's claimed secondary hub, etc. I have to imagine yields on BER-NYC are tough though -- not a ton of premium traffic due to the lack of corporate HQ's in Berlin, and the relatively low incomes there compared to other major European hubs. Even government flights are split -- most ministries retain a large presence back in Bonn!

Such a fantastic city though, and VERY popular with the younger crowd. I'm guessing AB will sew up that market pretty well, though there certainly should be room for a major US carrier!


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Quoting freeskies (Reply 13):
Berlin is the third most visited tourist destination in Europe, after London and Paris.

Really?

According to these statistics, it's 15th in Europe.


User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 600 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Quoting Kiwinlondon (Reply 7):
I wonder if the 752 has the legs in both directions. I'm not sure of distances but would assume distance is greater than EWR-BRS which I know struggles westbound?

Well, the A/C definitely has the legs. Boeing lists the 757-200 as having a range of 3,900 nm, and EWR-TXL clocks in at 3,460 nm according to Great Circle. (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=EWR-TXL&MS=wls&DU=nm)

CO also uses the 752 on EWR-STR, another one which runs over 3,400 nm.



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User currently offlinedazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2900 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
Really?

According to these statistics, it's 15th in Europe.

With Bucharest ranked higher than Amsterdam or Prague, this statistic seems to be way off. Additionally, it should be clear that the percentage of international visitors is smaller in a larger country (note: in Europe, international does not equal intercontinental). That's why comparisons usually use the bednights for city rankings. Berlin is on the third spot since 2010.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2889 times:

I've noticed that for the Summer coming up that the second daily EWR-FRA flight has changed from a 757 to a 764. I think they swapped the equipment for the EWR-TXL flight and the second daily EWR-FRA flight this Summer.

EWR-FRA 1 764, 1 777
EWR-BER 1 757

It previously was shown as:

EWR-FRA 1 757, 777
EWR-BER 1 764



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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3006 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting Kiwinlondon (Reply 7):
EWR-BRS which I know struggles westbound?

BRS's runway is quite short at 2,011m, 6,598ft, which could be the cause of this.

signol



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting signol (Reply 20):
Quoting Kiwinlondon (Reply 7):
EWR-BRS which I know struggles westbound?

BRS's runway is quite short at 2,011m, 6,598ft, which could be the cause of this.

You seem to be implying that CO still operates EWR-BRS. They dropped that route well over a year ago, in November 2010.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...gland/bristol/somerset/8606140.stm


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