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AA 727-100s On West Coast  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 668 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

Were American's 727-100s used much on the West Coast? I've found some photos of them at LAX, SFO, SAN as well as LAS (not on the coast but in the west none the less) - were they scheduled regularly to these cities, or used as subs for 722s?

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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 903 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5203 times:
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AA's 727-100 were regular visitors to LAX, SFO, SAN, OAK and later PSP, from the time they came online in the mid 60s.

After deregulation, and the "hubbing and spoking" of AA through DFW and ORD in the 80s, I don' recall seeing them as much out here on "the coast". I flew one DFW-SAT in April 1989. That was my last ride on a -100.

Tom SJC



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User currently offlinegreggariouspdx From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5190 times:
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I remember flying the 727-100 on the DFW-Fresno leg in 1990 and from DFW-CLE (yes I know CLE is NOT on the West Coast) as late as 1991.

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5185 times:
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I remember seeing AA 727-100's from ORD and DFW to several smaller west coast cities like OAK, SJC and SAN back in the 1980's before the MD-80's really started to come online. For brief period, AA used 727-100's between LAX and SJC to Steamboat Springs, CO.

User currently offlinefx1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Growing up, I remember seeing a few of them at ONT in the 1980s. Man I do miss 727s!!


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5597 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Yes, we had scheduled 727-100s at Lindbergh Field for many years; if I had my AA timetables handy, I'd give you some specific flight info and dates... Great little airplane!

bb


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3455 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

PDX saw the 100 at least one a day from DFW and ORD, they also flew the 100 between PDX & EUG, When I was a Duck at U of O, I'd fly each way for 20 bucks for the short time they flew to EUG. 83/84/85 timeframe.


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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5020 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6):
PDX saw the 100 at least one a day from DFW and ORD

I flew N1972 PDX-ORD back in 1986, I think it had come in from ORD too, if memory serves me correctly.


User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4966 times:
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Quoting fx1816 (Reply 4):
Man I do miss 727s!!

Egad, I don't! The noise those things made!

I distinctly remember in the early 1990s witnessing a 727 take off, followed immediately by a then-new 747-400. The 747 was almost silent in comparison to the ol' 3-holer.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4852 times:
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Quoting vhtje (Reply 8):
Egad, I don't! The noise those things made!

I miss the rumble and crackle those P&W JT8D engines made when they took off...oh yeah...and the smoke.


User currently offlineGEN2STEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

And don't forget how they the screamed and whined on the inside! Oh, how I do miss them, especially row 27 on 727strech!


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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

The use of 727's on flights to the west probably increased after September of 1981 when the 707 fleet was retired almost en masse following a May 1981 announcement to do so. Originally, PSP was served by 707's.

User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

American used the Boeing 727-100s on some pretty long hauls way back when. In our family archives is a photo dated March, 1982 at LAX, showing the short-body 727 with the elliptical S-duct pushing back from the terminal with a couple of our family members aboard, going back to CLE. That's two thousand and fifty statute miles in a plain vanilla 100.

User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 12):
American used the Boeing 727-100s on some pretty long hauls way back when. In our family archives is a photo dated March, 1982 at LAX, showing the short-body 727 with the elliptical S-duct pushing back from the terminal with a couple of our family members aboard, going back to CLE. That's two thousand and fifty statute miles in a plain vanilla 100.

In 1982, until the 767 was delievered, American only had three aircraft capable of operating LAX - CLE nonstop, the 727-23, the DC-10, and the 747-123. The short body 727 had better range than the stretch airplane did, at least the original -200's.


User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4484 times:

I was hired by AA in 1986. At that point, most ORD-West and DFW-LAX/SFO services were operated with DC10s, 762s, and 722s. MD80s headed to BUR, SNA and smaller west coast cities from ORD and DFW initially, and then by the mid 1990s 727s hardly ever appeared any more in California -- the MD80 had usurped the 722 by that point.

I was based at LAX for 15 years, and during that time, never once saw a -100 operate there. That's not to say it's impossible that one or two did not cycle through LAX or SFO on a last-minute equipment swap, but I can say with confidence that no 727-23s were regularly scheduled.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3996 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4414 times:
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Quoting fx1816 (Reply 4):
Man I do miss 727s!!

They stay permanently in my heart.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
Great little airplane!

Oh yes, absolutely. I remember back in the late 80s and early 90s when the 727-100 was a regular visitor in ALB, when I was a student at RPI. They used to fly 2x daily ALB-RDU, unless for some reason there would be a swap with a Stretched 200 model. And sometimes ALB-ORD. This lasted until late 1992 / early 1993 when the Fokker 100 arrived in the fleet. I flew on a 727-100 in 1991 from ALB to RDU on the day of my 21st birthday, I was connecting in RDU on a 200 to SAV. I remember talking to the flight engineer who mentioned that there were only minor changes between the 100 and the 200 models. That trip was quite nice. And I was happy.

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User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

From a flight attendant perspective, the -100 was a real pain. About half the -100 fleet was still being reconfigured in 1986 from the original 1964 era galleys with tray carriers to the newer -200 style galleys with 12 inch mobile carts. Either configuration could be maddening, because there was only one galley from which to serve a full meal in both F and Y cabins on longer segments. And in those days, even shorter legs such as ORD-YYZ were catered with a hot meal in both cabins, so things would get very cramped and messy in that tiny galley in the middle of the plane.

But there was something very cool and nostalgic about working that plane, many of which entered service a year or two before I was even born.


User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

I think I've got photos of them at Oakland and Sacramento. Flew one from SFO - DFW once. I guess, before the 727-200 and MD-80 came along, and if an airline didn't have 737's, the -100 was the only plane they had smaller than a 707 or DC-8 that made sense going half-way across the country.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
Were American's 727-100s used much on the West Coast?

AA 727-100 eastbound flight routings from west coast points from the December 12, 1967 timetable shown below. That was two months before AA's first 727-200 was delivered in February 1968. AA had 52 727-100s in service in December 1967 with a few more still to be delivered. That 7-stop SAN-JFK flight would have been fun.

LAX-MEM-SDF-LGA
LAX-STL-CVG-LGA
LAX-OKC-TUL-STL-LGA
LAX-DAL-BNA-DAY-CLE
LAX-PHX-TUS-ELP-LGA
LAX-SAN-PHX-TUS-ORD-YYZ

SAN-TUS-DAL-PHL
SAN-DAL-ORD-BOS
SAN-ORD-LGA
SAN-LAX-ELP-SAT-HOU-BNA-CVG-PIT-JFK

SFO-DAL-MEM-SDF-LGA
SFO-DAL-STL-CLE

And since ACA is also on the west coast, they also had one ACA-DAL 727-100 flight then. (At that time YYZ/MEX/ACA were AA's only international destinations.)

Looks like ELP-LGA was the longest 727-100 sector then (1655 nm), followed by SAN-ORD (1497 nm) and LAX-MEM (1407 nm). ELP-LGA wouldn't be permitted now (except on Saturday) due to the LGA perimeter rule.


User currently offlinetan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

When AA started FAT ( June 1990) it was with the 727-100..then as traffic grew many nights the evening DFW-FAT was subbed with a 72S then eventually both flights were 72S then probably somewhere along 1997 or 98 the switch was made to MD80's.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 11):
The use of 727's on flights to the west probably increased after September of 1981 when the 707 fleet was retired almost en masse following a May 1981 announcement to do so. Originally, PSP was served by 707's.

They were also deployed from ORD during the summer 1979 DC-10 Grounding by FAA administrator Langhorne Bond (post AA191) as recall taking 1 to PHX and SFO that summer. Those weeks of the DC-10 grounding the 727 fleet pulled a lot of shifts if you will trying to fill in on a lot of lost capacity.


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 13):
In 1982, until the 767 was delievered, American only had three aircraft capable of operating LAX - CLE nonstop, the 727-23, the DC-10, and the 747-123. The short body 727 had better range than the stretch airplane did, at least the original -200's.

Not correct. The 722 advanced could handle CLE-LAX. Indeed, AA flew YYZ-SFO with the 722.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 20):
Quoting milesrich (Reply 13):
In 1982, until the 767 was delievered, American only had three aircraft capable of operating LAX - CLE nonstop, the 727-23, the DC-10, and the 747-123. The short body 727 had better range than the stretch airplane did, at least the original -200's.

Not correct. The 722 advanced could handle CLE-LAX. Indeed, AA flew YYZ-SFO with the 722.

AC and CP also used the 722 on YUL-YVR and YOW-YVR which, like YYZ-SFO, are between 140 and 211 nm further than CLE-LAX.

YUL-YVR 1994 nm
YYZ-SFO 1963 nm
YOW-YVR 1923 nm
CLE-LAX 1783 nm


User currently offlineozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

I worked them all the time in the late 70's and the 80's. When we had the orange interior, we had a section called "The Twilight Zone". It consisted of approximately 4 to 5 rows of coach that were forward of the mid cabin galley, but behind F/C. The F/A #1 was responsible for service 10 F/C passengers and then the twilight zone in the main cabin. I believe the first configuration i remember was 10/98 and then it went to 10/108. When we ran trays, one fa would "set up" and the other would "serve". Since one galley was shared, the #1 had one side and the #2 and #4 had the other side. Whoever setup would put two trays on the counter, get the entrees out of the oven, and prepare them for the server who would run them. #1 sat on the forward jumpseat, #4 sat on the aisle seat of a passenger row right by the galley so they could have closest access to the door in an evacuation, and the #2 sat at the back in order to operate the air stairs in an emergency.
Overall the 100 was really not a fun plane to work because of the single galley. It did, initially, have TONS of closets for bags and carryon.
I remember working a 100 from LGA-DTW-STL-SAT-ELP-LAX-SAN. They were used a lot out of DFW to places like MEM, TYS, CMH, LIT, AMA, etc. They were also used in the Caribbean, which was a pain because the service was pretty elaborate.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting vhtje (Reply 8):
The noise those things made!

...To say nothing of how 727s made the ground feel like a mini-earthquake was taking place if one was standing within ~0.25 mile/0.4 km of a 727 taking off! ...and to think that Eastern referred to their 727s as Whisperjets...which they actually were at the time they entered service...relatively speaking of course!

[Edited 2012-01-29 19:00:06]

User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 22):

Would the senior FAs avoid biding 727-100 trips because of the galley?


25 RWA380 : I was thinking this same exact thing when reading the replies about how noisy folks thought the 727 was. Wasn't it Whisperliner for the L-1011 and A-
26 JFKPurser : Not necessarily -- the bids were mixed together with the -200s, and later on also MD80s. So if you bid a 727 line for the month, you would have trips
27 TOMMY767 : I have an AA timetable from 1991 and it shows that some of the remaining 721 routes were from RDU. I believe RDU-EWR saw both 721's and 757s at that
28 milesrich : When the 727 was first introduced, the entire section foward of the galley was first class. There were 22-24 first class seats. United introduced the
29 JFKPurser : AA had an aux galley on the LH side just ahead of the leading edge. It contained a beverage cart and a closet. When the -100 fleet was reconfigured/re
30 JFKPurser : RDU and BNA were hotbeds of -100 activity in the early 1990s. I want to say the -100 left the AA fleet in 1995...
31 longhauler : Actually he is correct. As he refers to the "original -200s". When the first -200s were introduced, they were not much heavier than the last of the -
32 TOMMY767 : What was the delivery timeline for AA between the 727 variations? Were the ADVs delivered in the late 1970s like Delta's were?
33 milesrich : The first -223's were delivered in 1968. My first flight on one was on the ORD-LGA route that spring. The first Advanced -200's were delivered by Boe
34 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : The first -200 Advanced built was the one below, JA8343, line no. 881, delivered to ANA June 30, 1972. But I believe the one below was the first deli
35 longhauler : Yes. In the late 1960s/early 1970s, B727 sales were waning. When the B727 Advanced was first offered to the airlines in 1970, a further 1000 were sol
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