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AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320  
User currently offlinebongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Finally Avianca has sign a new order to Airbus to buy 51 new A320, incluiding 33 Neos. Agreement was for around Us$4.780 million. Good news!


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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Press release by Airbus:

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...or-51-eco-efficient-a320-aircraft/


User currently offlineholidaycharter From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6587 times:

That's good for Avianca well done

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

TA-AV is hardly competing with Copa Airlines and LAN system.
This renewal of the fleet will help the company to strengthen their current frequencies and to consider the opening of new stations in the mid-term.
TACA is not opting for additional E90s anymore.

Regards.



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User currently onlinenotaxonrotax From Ecuador, joined Mar 2011, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5764 times:
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Some will go to Aerogal, I guess.

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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5751 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
TACA is not opting for additional E90s anymore.

Is this because the capacity is not enough for their needs?


User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

You got me confused here, they Firmed their order. Made it sound like they ordered another 51 A320's.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
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Unitl recently Avianca was an airline of 30 airplanes( about 17 MD-83, about 6 767 and about 7 757) so where are all these planes going to be used. Its too early to replace the A320 and A330 they have received in the last 3 or 4 years. Even eith Aerogal and Taca is Avianca/ Taca a 100 airplane airline ?

User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6651 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4100 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Even eith Aerogal and Taca is Avianca/ Taca a 100 airplane airline ?

Maybe this gives bit of context

In the January-December 2011 period, Avianca, Taca and their subsidiaries registered a 17.8% increase in passenger numbers, from 17,612,187 during 2010, to 20,751,261 in the twelve calendar months of 2011

http://www.aviator.aero/newswire/ind...t-20-7-million-passengers-in-2011/



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Unitl recently Avianca was an airline of 30 airplanes

Until when? Avianca reached a fleet low point during the 2004 (8 years ago!) bankruptcy process of 35 aircraft, 10 Fokker 50, 5 757s, 5 767s and 15 MD-83s, from 2005 there have been nothing but increases....

The airline now flies 10 Fokker 50s, 10 A318s, 8 A319s, 22 or 23 A320s and 8 A330s, TACA flies over 30 airbuses, several regional aircraft and 11 E-190s and Aerogal has a fleet of 11 jets (319s, A320s and one B767), plus several deliveries taking place this year and in 2013 and 14, so I don't understand the really out of context question...is it some kind of subtle bashing attempt?

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
In the January-December 2011 period, Avianca, Taca and their subsidiaries registered a 17.8% increase in passenger numbers, from 17,612,187 during 2010, to 20,751,261 in the twelve calendar months of 2011

Indeed, good growth numbers, and finally passing the 20 million passenger mark. I wasn't sure they were going to reach it this year.

Congrats on the signing to both Airbus and AviancaTaca, this poises them for their next important order: the replacements for the turboprop fleet which was already announced by Fabio Villegas for this year, and is 99% sure going to ATR since they specifically want 50 seaters.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 5):
Is this because the capacity is not enough for their needs?


From what I've read before mainly in this board, the Central American airlines are not entirely happy with the E90s due to cargo constraints.
We have to take into account the high amount of allowable weight of baggage that both CM and TA are currently offering to their revenue passengers; even in Y-class.




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Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 6):
You got me confused here, they Firmed their order. Made it sound like they ordered another 51 A320's.


No, it's the same.
The press release states that AV-TA had previously signed a memorandum of understanding during the 2011 Le Bourget Air Show placed in Paris.




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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Its too early to replace the A320 and A330 they have received in the last 3 or 4 years.


AV is a recent new user of the 320 family.
However, TACA is utilizing such equipment since the 90s and they're regularly renewing its fleet.


Regards.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3124 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
From what I've read before mainly in this board, the Central American airlines are not entirely happy with the E90s due to cargo constraints.
We have to take into account the high amount of allowable weight of baggage that both CM and TA are currently offering to their revenue passengers; even in Y-class.

I was just thinking about this when I opened the thread a minute ago.Thanks SJOtoLIR. They would be better off buying more second hand A318s, plus they have a lot more range for longer, thin routes.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):

AV is a recent new user of the 320 family.
However, TACA is utilizing such equipment since the 90s and they're regularly renewing its fleet.

It seems like they are very happy with their A32X family.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
TA-AV is hardly competing with Copa Airlines and LAN system.

are you sure with this statment?

Specially they are competing with LAN with a multi hub system, they might have a smaller wide body fleet, but its also not so needed for the locations of the hubs for flights to the us for example.

CM has an advantage that they have basically a 1.5 hub system 1 for PTY and 0.5 for BOG, but TA-AV product is much better and totally they are offering nearly more destinations than CM



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User currently offlinebakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9):
The airline now flies 10 Fokker 50s, 10 A318s, 8 A319s, 22 or 23 A320s and 8 A330s

Were the Fokker 50's not retired and replaced by the 318's? I know the F 100's were. I flew both of em last year and was glad to before they left the fleet.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Quoting bongo (Thread starter):
Finally Avianca has sign a new order to Airbus to buy 51 new A320, incluiding 33 Neos. Agreement was for around Us$4.780 million. Good news!

Why all these mixed orders lately? If you're ordering new-build aircraft, why not all NEO's?


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2973 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Quoting bongo (Thread starter):
Finally Avianca has sign a new order to Airbus to buy 51 new A320, incluiding 33 Neos. Agreement was for around Us$4.780 million. Good news!

Why all these mixed orders lately? If you're ordering new-build aircraft, why not all NEO's?

Perhaps they need capacity before the NEO will be available.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 13):
Were the Fokker 50's not retired and replaced by the 318's?

No, only the F-100s were retired / sold.

The F-50s still cover regional routes to airports with short runways.



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User currently offlineav757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 661 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Why all these mixed orders lately? If you're ordering new-build aircraft, why not all NEO's?



Time frame to start replacing the older 320´s at TA before the NEO enters service with a standarized comonality in fleet, engine, passenger configuration and IFE with the rest of AV.

The NEO´s are basically for growth in the future of the longer distance routes.

AV757


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):
are you sure with this statment?

Specially they are competing with LAN with a multi hub system, they might have a smaller wide body fleet, but its also not so needed for the locations of the hubs for flights to the us for example.

CM has an advantage that they have basically a 1.5 hub system 1 for PTY and 0.5 for BOG, but TA-AV product is much better and totally they are offering nearly more destinations than CM


Depends on the point of view.
Avianca is stronger in Bogota than their competitors in both the domestic and international market. They're now experiencing the recent introduction of LAN Colombia.
On the other hand, TACA itself has now its South American hub placed in Lima, where it faces the fierce competition offered by LAN Peru who's leading the domestic and international market.




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Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 13):
Were the Fokker 50's not retired and replaced by the 318's? I know the F 100's were. I flew both of em last year and was glad to before they left the fleet.


I see their second-handed 318s as transitory planes on Avianca and Avianca Brasil.
Mr. Fabio Villegas who's the executive chief of AV-TA stated last year that they are evaluating the suitable 100-seater plane.
They're carefully analyzing the Bombardier CSeries, MRJ Mitsubishi and Sukhoi Superjet. Having said that, their E90s might not be forming part of its fleet by 2015.
Related press release in Spanish:

http://www.portaldeamerica.com/index...s&Itemid=79&tmpl=component&print=1

Regards.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
TA-AV is hardly competing with Copa Airlines and LAN system.

are you sure with this statment?

Specially they are competing with LAN with a multi hub system

Competition between Avianca-Taca and its affiliates and LAN-TAM will significantly increase this year. AV competes directly with LAN Colombia in the Colombian market. 2K competes directly with LAN Ecuador in the Ecuadorian market. AV Brasil competes with TAM in the Brazilian market. TACA competes directly with LAN in the Peruvian market.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):

Depends on the point of view.
Avianca is stronger in Bogota than their competitors in both the domestic and international market. They're now experiencing the recent introduction of LAN Colombia.
On the other hand, TACA itself has now its South American hub placed in Lima, where it faces the fierce competition offered by LAN Peru who's leading the domestic and international market.



LAN Perú dominates the Peruvian international and domestic markets. LAN Ecuador dominates the Ecuadorian international market and is roughly equal with Aerogal in the Ecuadorian domestic market. TAM Brasil dominates the Brazilian market, etc.


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