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AA Newly Acquired Or Cancelled Routes During Bankruptcy?   
User currently offlinecaliboy78 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 72 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

So far we know that AA will be getting rid of some routes, a/c and delaying the start of some seasonal routes. I would like talk about what you think AA will be acquring or getting rid off during BK. What are your thoughts?


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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7174 times:

Let's just hope RDU-LHR sticks around....


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User currently offlinecaliboy78 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7036 times:

I think all LHR routes are safe.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6781 times:
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Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 1):
Let's just hope RDU-LHR sticks around....

RDU - LHR lives by a Pharma firm contract in the Raleigh area, the day that gravy train ends so will the route.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

To name a few........

ORD-FSD
ORD-FAR
LAX-PVG
DFW-CYS
DFW-LIR


User currently offlinecaliboy78 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

LAX - PVG still active and I personally don't think that's going anywhere.


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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

Quoting caliboy78 (Reply 5):

LAX - PVG still active and I personally don't think that's going anywhere.

Based on your question, I thought you were looking for routes that we thought AA would drop during the BK process.

I listed PVG-LAX because:
1.) The competition on the route (UA, AA, MU)
2.) The long stage length which requires multiple aircraft and thus added cost
3.) AA's high cost structure.

While I believe this route may come back after BK, I am going out on a limb and saying this route is probably not too profitable at the moment and runs the risk of being cut.

[Edited 2012-01-29 17:34:38]

User currently offlinecaliboy78 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

I totally agree with you on this one.... I don't think PVG is too profitable at the moment.... I do think that if AA were to cut it that woudn't suprise me at all..... but based on AA schedule this route still active and remains active for a while


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6752 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):

RDU - LHR lives by a Pharma firm contract in the Raleigh area, the day that gravy train ends so will the route.

Ugghhh.. I think everyone should look at it the other way.. AA is blessed to have that subsidy. Delta is working hard to pull it away. If they do, AA loses yet another profitable route.. I believe AA should be extremely happy to have the route and probably does a LOT to keep it compared to RTRP working as hard to keep AA on the flight..

Delta has a lot better route structure out of RDU so the LHR flight on DL would be exceptional. The connections out of LHR would not be as great but I believe ST connections would still probably make it pretty sweet for DL..



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5650 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 4):

I would scratch DFW-LIR. AA just upgraded it to 4x weekly.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Anything remaining from BOS. Also probably some more ORD-Europe.


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User currently offlinedw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 4):
To name a few........

ORD-FSD
ORD-FAR


I don't think Sioux Falls is going anyplace at least on the Dallas front because it is doing well. Now Chicago I doubt will go anyplace either in Sioux Falls or Fago because both cities seem to want these routes and they seem to be willing to do whatever it takes to keep them even in a reduced role so I think it is safe to say American will be getting some of the citizens of Sioux Falls and Fargo's tax dollars and soon.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
2.) The long stage length which requires multiple aircraft and thus added cost

There are only so many cities/route-pairs within 8 hour flying range of the mainland US ... long-haul and ultra long haul are necessary evils in today's competitive environment

Latest route adjustments at AA are concerning because they're actually cutting network connectivity and coverage instead of just eliminating redundancy and trimming fat ... one cannot run a complete international network out of MIA, JVs and nothing else


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 10):
Anything remaining from BOS.

I'm thinking BOS-CDG. Maybe some AE LAX routes.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):

Are you sure about that? DL secured the same subsidy for RDU-CDG over two years ago (maybe three by now) and has yet to start the route. AFAIK, AA has never dipped into the subsidy for RDU-LHR because the route has always been profitable on its own.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2158 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
Delta is working hard to pull it away.

Yeah, RDUCDG has never materialized.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 10):


Anything remaining from BOS. Also probably some more ORD-Europe.

Hardly anything is left on ORD-Europe! Except for LHR, MAN, CDG and the seasonals (DUB, FCO and HEL) but I think those are safe.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
Maybe some AE LAX routes.

Yup.

I wonder if DFWCCS will be dealt the axe....but it's a weekly flight and there are political considerations surrounding that decision.



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 4):
ORD-FSD
ORD-FAR

With the Dakotas some of the best economic areas of the United States right now I would think these might be some of the better yielding domestic routes.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4335 times:

Snort. Define best economic area.

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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

Quoting dw9115 (Reply 11):
I don't think Sioux Falls is going anyplace at least on the Dallas front because it is doing well. Now Chicago I doubt will go anyplace either in Sioux Falls or Fago because both cities seem to want these routes and they seem to be willing to do whatever it takes to keep them even in a reduced role so I think it is safe to say American will be getting some of the citizens of Sioux Falls and Fargo's tax dollars and soon.

I would not call AA from FAR to ORD safe. It's a fairly new route - not really something that has long-term commitments. If I recall AA only showed up when F9 left FAR. Right now AA competes with UA on FAR-ORD...it might be a better idea to cut that route and instead offer DFW-FAR. Right now I believe FAR only has service to MSP, ORD, DEN and SLC on network carriers and would gladly trade off some ORD frequencies to get something like DFW.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):
Snort. Define best economic area.

Low unemployment, state budget surpluses, booming industrial and population growth. The Dakotas, especially North Dakota, are economically healthy and North Dakota in particular was never much affected by the recession.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
Low unemployment, state budget surpluses, booming industrial and population growth. The Dakotas, especially North Dakota, are economically healthy and North Dakota in particular was never much affected by the recession.

Thanks, that's pretty much what I was thinking.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6752 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 14):
Are you sure about that? DL secured the same subsidy for RDU-CDG over two years ago (maybe three by now) and has yet to start the route. AFAIK, AA has never dipped into the subsidy for RDU-LHR because the route has always been profitable on its own.

See AA. They threatened to pull the LHR flight if DL was given any subsidy for international routes. So RTRP had to pull it back to maintain the LHR service (as DL was not pursuing it at that time).

Although I don't think the AA hasn't touched the subsidy. Sometimes the planes goes out kinda light and there is no way a trans-atlantic plan can be profitable enough during the low season with 60% or less LF.. i'm just thinking.. maybe during the high season it doesn't need the subsidy but during low season (winter months, etc)...????



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
Low unemployment, state budget surpluses, booming industrial and population growth. The Dakotas, especially North Dakota, are economically healthy and North Dakota in particular was never much affected by the recession.

Sure. Its hard to have a recession in a place that had practically no economy to begin with.  

NS


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3453 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 15):
Yeah, RDUCDG has never materialized.

Nope, it never did. But American did fly RDU-ORY back in the late 80s when RDU was a hub. They stopped flying ORY-RDU in the mid 90s (1994 or so) when the RDU hub was closed, this was five years before they started flying to CDG. I remember flying ORY-RDU on a 767-200ER, in 1988 when the 767 was brand new, connecting to MCO also on a 767. I remember also when RDU was 727 heaven.

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 21):
Its hard to have a recession in a place that had practically no economy to begin with.

Thats about to change. The oil traffic to North Dakota (particularly Williston) is going to explode in the coming months and years.



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 12):
There are only so many cities/route-pairs within 8 hour flying range of the mainland US ... long-haul and ultra long haul are necessary evils in today's competitive environment

Latest route adjustments at AA are concerning because they're actually cutting network connectivity and coverage instead of just eliminating redundancy and trimming fat ... one cannot run a complete international network out of MIA, JVs and nothing else

Agree 100%. You can't fix things by merely cutting everything that's expensive to operate. There are some routes where you have to be a player for network reasons or to appease large contract holders. Obviously you have to be rational, but on the logic used for cutting LAX-PVG, every steakhouse and sushi bar would become a "casual American" joint because it's much lower cost.


25 LV : And that's why DL is sending a 319 to MOT now.
26 ripcordd : LAX PVG route if it is cut will not come back after BK.....They will stick it out for another 6-12 months until they secure reduce costs they would lo
27 AS739BSI : Currently no one runs ORD-MOT and even if AA/AE wanted to get in the game, UA/UX would probably respond. I'm waiting to hear more about service expans
28 FreequentFlier : You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and obviously have not been paying attention to what has been going on in North Dakota for the pas
29 caliboy78 : I don't think LAX might suffer much from capacity reduction on the mainline side as much as AE. Not too long ago AA said that it was waiting for TBIT
30 dw9115 : It's hard to say at least Sioux Falls had no economy to begin with because 1. Wells Fargo's national charter for their bank is there as well as almos
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