MD 11 From Germany, joined Sep 1999, 195 posts, RR: 1 Posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
why did boeing close the production-lines for the MD 90 and MD 11?
Just because that planes were similar to Boeings 777 or 737?
But why did they buy then McDonell-Douglas? Only to cease production of this types? To have one competitor less?
Or because there were no profits anymore with MD 90 and MD 11? (But I can not believe this, or were McDonell-Douglas bancrupt, when they were bought by Boeing?).
So, what was the reason for Boeing to
a) Buy McDonell-Douglas?
b) Cease the MD-production-lines? (Except MD17 and MD95).
El Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
When Boeing had bought MD it was bancrupt
thats why MD was sailed
the aircrafts type of MD were became unordered
the MD-11 was never a big saleer
and the 80's are just old aircraft
so when Boeing saw that their are not selling anymore this plans the productions was cased.
Dan-air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2249 times:
Boeing was much more interested in MD's military contract work - the commercial side of the business just came with it.
The MD-11 was fading fast except for the freighter variant, the MD-90 was just another variation on the DC-9 which by then was one entry amid a field of stronger competitors - the A320 and 737 families. I believe the 717 will suffer the same fate, especially since it was shunned in several recent orders for the unbuilt A318.
TrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2238 times:
If I remember correctly, TWA is still recieving brand new MD-83's. And I also heard that after this large order of their MD-83's is complete then the production of these jets will be done. So as far as I know they are still building them over on the west coast, but only for TWA. And I also know that TWA has a large order for 717's, and also A318's.
Sammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2231 times:
First of all, MD wasnt bankrupt, they may have been heading in that direction, but they werent there yet. Boeing bought them for their military business, which was what Boeing was lacking, and was why the government approved the merger. The commercial side was dead on arrival, and Boeing just decided to honor the current orders and close the lines. They did give the MD-11 one last chance by trying to market it, mainly as a freighter, but the orders just werent there. They held on to the 717 for whatever reasons, and who knows, maybe they still have some tricks up their sleeve. The MD-83s TWA is getting will be the last ones built. They must have cut a good deal so that Boeing could use up what inventory was left for the MD-83s.
Stlbham From United States of America, joined May 1999, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2229 times:
Yes you are right TrnsWrld,TWA did put a late order in for the MD-83s and I think they are due to recieve there last MD-83 in early next year. Thus ceasing the very long running MD-80 program. As for the only other true MD product left , the MD-11 I think the last one also is to be delivered early to mid next year by a European airline I think. ( I can t remember which one)
Jlb From Denmark, joined Nov 1999, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2231 times:
I was following the merger process closely at the time in 'flight international' and other magazines, so I will just add a few words as I remember it:
MD was by no means bankrupt by the time of the takeover, indeed MD's then president Harry Stonechiper liked to talk about MD's pile of cash and plans to aquire other companies.
What eventually led to the takeover, was probably more long term strategic considerations. MD was suffering from a lack of future prospects due to the exclusion of its proposal for the JSF competition and the cancellation by its own board of the MDXX programme (Stretched, re-winged MD11).
On the other hand, Boing was keen to get it's hand on MD's military business, which was far superior to Boeings. So I think - in agreement with Dan-air - that it is generally accepted that the military business (and perhaps space) was the driver behind the deal. MD's airliner business was never important to boeing.
Boeing had a brand new design (777) in the same segment as the MD11. And much the same was the case with the MD90 and NG B737. Therefore the only MD jet to survive the merger was the 95. This is regrettable from an airliner enthusiast's point of view, but probably a sound business decision.
Md80forum From Finland, joined May 1999, 157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2207 times:
Sources in both TWA and SAS keep telling us that MD80 and MD90 aircraft delivered from Boeing-MD/Long Beach after the merger are of low standard, since employees know that their jobs will be gone soon and motivation is low. Especially bad finishing in wiring and electrical installations have been mentioned.
MD80 INTERNATIONAL FORUM
LBSteve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2181 times:
I wish Boeing had kept the MD90 lineup and closed down the 737 instead. Yes the MD90 is just an evolution of the DC9 series but so are the 737NG a continuum of it’s old self, overall they both have been operating for about the same life span. There are some real advantages to the MD rear engine T tail (clean wing) configuration, plus it doesn’t have the 737’s rudder issues. Did I mention that the MD90 was rated the quietest single-isle body flying before Boeing pulled the plug? Even with it’s narrowness, I always felt the MD 2-3 configuration was more comfortable than the 737 3-3 setup. I will miss the unique variety in MD’s products when all that will be flying are the same wing mounted twin engine cookie cutter look-alikes from Airbus and Boeing.