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Rumor: ExpressJet To Bring Back The EMB-135?  
User currently offlineAtlasAir From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 119 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11641 times:

Rumor is the 135's are coming back. Rumor is five.

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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11489 times:

I wonder if these will be used for long and thin routes like AA uses them for LGA-XNA or if they'll be used to start small markets like ORD-RHI? Or DEN-MHK!?

User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11415 times:

This is not a rumor. It is a confirmed fact. Sounds like they will be used in DEN. I think someone mentioned it will be used on the PIA-DEN segment.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11307 times:

I can't make my brain come up with a way this makes any financial sense.

User currently offlineoflanigan From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11087 times:

How many turboprops presently in DEN? 5 E135's seem right or maybe more?

User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10733 times:

Are these the ones coming back from their lease to Chautauqua?

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5440 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 3):
I can't make my brain come up with a way this makes any financial sense.

Cumulative fare increases must have made the 135s viable again.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10519 times:

DEN-ISN anyone? Probably one of the few super thin markets that can warrant that type of plane and ask for high enough fares to make it profitable?

'902



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10428 times:

Glad to see some of those birds won't be stuck in IGM anymore. When was the last time they flew? It seems like its been several years now...I was worried they'd never fly again and just be parted out. Would they be replacing some of the turboprop flights or just to reduce capacity on CRJ2/E145 routes? Does anyone think they'll bring back more than just a handful or is this purely to serve a specific purpose on a limited basis?

User currently offlinekinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

GFK! Please! Either ORD or DEN!


Kinglobjaw
User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9007 times:

Don't forget that through the merger UAL is now the owner/lesee of the E135s that are sitting in the desert. Whereas Chautauqua couldn't make them work at Frontier, RAH had the option of disposing of them and not paying out any money. UAL does not have that luxury as they are on the hook for the planes whether they are in the desert or bringing in some unit revenue. I imagine they will still be deployed on the most cost beneficial legs, which should be short sectors.


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User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8038 times:

Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 9):
GFK! Please! Either ORD or DEN!

Scruffy seconds. Although, one would think that a 50 seat-jet could satiate at least one DEN and ORD flight from the Grand Forks (Knives and Spoons).



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User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 10):
Don't forget that through the merger UAL is now the owner/lesee of the E135s that are sitting in the desert. Whereas Chautauqua couldn't make them work at Frontier, RAH had the option of disposing of them and not paying out any money. UAL does not have that luxury as they are on the hook for the planes whether they are in the desert or bringing in some unit revenue. I imagine they will still be deployed on the most cost beneficial legs, which should be short sectors.

I also wonder if UA was able to negotiate a significantly lower lease rate in response to so many small jets being parked. A significant reduction in lease rate could more than offset the high operating costs.


User currently offlinexjet From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

These aircraft will be based in EWR. It seems counter intuitive to place smaller aircraft there, but some rumors suggest that the Dash 8-200s are moving around the system. So maybe they are moving in to replace some of the small prop lift. What routes they will be flying is anyone's guess. We just know that the pilots are in EWR and the planes will begin flying in April.

User currently offlineiahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3436 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7676 times:
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I've heard it said that there will many more back in service by end of the year..


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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Simple for me, in today's high fare environments, there are markets where 135's, if used on a relatively short segment, are still profitable...my local airport consistently has lowest advanced purchase fares in the 25 cpm and above range.

I'm also guessing that UA is looking at fleet simplification...either SAABs or EMB 120's may be on the block. (hope SAAB's)!!!

Either way, think UA is quietly going the right direction on numerous fronts. They are apparently doing more than just worrying about merging...they are aiming for number 1 in all categories..


User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 15):
I'm also guessing that UA is looking at fleet simplification...either SAABs or EMB 120's may be on the block. (hope SAAB's)!!!

UA doesn't simplify anything by having two separate sub-contractors in two non-overlapping regions harmonize their fleet types. FWIW the SkyWest EMB fleet has been shrinking at a fairly constant rate over the last 4 or 5 years and will continue to do so. I have no idea what Pinacolaba is doing with their SAAB fleet planning.



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 6):
Cumulative fare increases must have made the 135s viable again.

Regardless, they're still probably the least economical aircraft they could possibly fly.


User currently offlineual777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1556 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

Ok, here are the FACTS.

5 Emb-135s coming online in April. They are going to be EWR based initially.

Here is the RUMOR:

They may bring back more.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6184 times:
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Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 7):
DEN-ISN anyone? Probably one of the few super thin markets that can warrant that type of plane and ask for high enough fares to make it profitable?


And markets grow with good service.

For instance, DEN-BIL just graduated to a daily 319.


User currently offlineual777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1556 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

Oh yeah, and welcome to the new ExpressJet

http://www.expressjet.com/wp-content.../custom/media/ExpressJetVideo.html



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User currently offlineHypoxik From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6116 times:

Hoping, they are the 135's that are sitting in MKE. Those are 5 of the higher weight 135's. Also, they are dual FMS frames.

The rumor going around is up to 20 will be brought back. This would let the XR's cycle to the west coast...



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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Simple for me, in today's high fare environments, there are markets where 135's, if used on a relatively short segment, are still profitable...my local airport consistently has lowest advanced purchase fares in the 25 cpm and above range.

I'm also guessing that UA is looking at fleet simplification...either SAABs or EMB 120's may be on the block. (hope SAAB's)!!!

Either way, think UA is quietly going the right direction on numerous fronts. They are apparently doing more than just worrying about merging...they are aiming for number 1 in all categories..

Quoting xjet (Reply 13):
but some rumors suggest that the Dash 8-200s are moving around the system.

not opposed to that at all....How is the air conditioning in those birds? Better suited/more likely to be moved to CLE? or would Houston/DEN/ORD/ or SFO be the most logical place? IF they were to be moved that is.


User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 19):
And markets grow with good service.

For instance, DEN-BIL just graduated to a daily 319.

DEN-BIL has had multiple daily mainline (A320/A319/B735/B733, even a 752 back some days of the week in 2001) for years. There is also a mix of CRJ/ER4/CR7 on the route.



Good goes around!
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 22):

I kind of wonder if they will be brought out to SFO to replace some of the elder 120s?



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25 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I've been getting to BIL by flying to SEA and then flying 700 miles backward on QX Q400s. So obviously there lots I still don't know about Billings.
26 RDH3E : Look at it this way, business case in a bottle EMB135 Revenue - EMB135 Operating Costs - EMB135 Ownership = EMB135 Profit Other Aircraft (OAC) OAC Re
27 MasseyBrown : Absolutely. The only other thing I can think of is that the 135 frames have enough time between overhauls remaining to make their operating cost disa
28 jetblueguy22 : I think at this point that is only a dream. All the GFK flights I've ever been on have been full but you have to wonder if it really warrants another
29 RDH3E : Don't forget also, that since they're already paying for them, they can sit for hours in outstations with no cost consequences. So they have almost n
30 sldispatcher : Good points. A little like Allegiant's model. Don't have to fly the wings off of them. Put them in markets where you know you are already demanding a
31 cbphoto : Correct! Expressjet will even have it's own dedicated Emb-135 pilot group to operate them!
32 Flight152 : What are you talking about? They don't have a seperate pilot group to operate those aircraft.[Edited 2012-02-01 14:36:34]
33 NW747-400 : It will be the same pilot group. The ERJ drivers are qualified on all the variants including the XR and the 135. There is a difference in pay for fli
34 cbphoto : Well, talking to the few X-jet drivers I know who were hired after the 135s were retired, all said instead of the entire group getting differences tr
35 Flight152 : There is no difference training. All XE crew members were trained on both when hired. Expressjet hasn't misinformed anyone, you clearly have spoke to
36 xjet : Actually, that isn't the case. We are all qualified to fly 145/135. There is no sub group of pilots. But there is a pay difference for flights utiliz
37 modesto2 : When I flew at ExpressJet, there was a pay difference for captains, but FOs are paid the same, regardless of flying the 135 or 145.
38 cbphoto : Well..apparently they are misinformed and I stand corrected! Thanks for the info!
39 sldispatcher : So what is the typical lead time on making the schedule changes? If April is start date, would think that by mid-Feb they should start showing up? Or
40 mhkansan : MHK please! I'd really like to see DENMHK on 2x ER3 to test the waters. I know it would be successful for them!
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