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Turkish Aviation February 2012  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12419 times:

Happy February Turkish Aviation Fans,
Welcome,
Here is some take-off!!!


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I gave a pretty detailed summary of 2011 and we continued on with more discussions last month.
IST is having a pretty hard time with snow these days and TK and others are having bunch of cancellations due to snow.
Good Luck to all that have to go through that mess.

Please continue here with more news, photos, ideas, rumors, complaints and the usual good sense of humor.

[Edited 2012-01-31 19:46:17]

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12389 times:

Also, I hear that Hatay airport is flooded and will be closed for a week.
Reminds me of what happened to Las Vegas few years back.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 12299 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Reminds me of what happened to Las Vegas few years back.

And more recently in Bangkok...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 12300 times:

Yesterday evening I was supposed to fly Anadolujet between ADB and SAW (20:00 flight). However, I found out that one of my best friends was flying the same route an hour before on Sunexpress (19:05 flight). I booked this ticket and arrived in SAW only about an hour late after a rather shaky take off in ADB due to heavy winds and a surprisingly smooth landing in SAW despite the snow.

Before I went to bed, I checked the status of my original Anadolujet flight and saw that the flight left about an hour late but diverted!! Later I found out that the aircraft returned to ADB after a flying time of well over 2 hours.

My ride from SAW to home in Atasehir was way more scary than the flight though... Complete chaos here...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 12167 times:

Thanks for a new thread. Seen some pics yesterday of IST hope things improve weather wise soon .

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 12112 times:

TK DMM increasing to 5 weekly as start of S12.

Kind regards

Mike


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 12101 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
IST hope things improve weather wise soon .

According to the news, tomorrow's weather to be worse, today TK cancelled close to 200 flights. Not only the airport is having problems with reduced movements, inadequate de-icing or problems "Stylo" explained in the previous thread, the roads are in bad shape also; pax, crews having difficulty getting to the airport.

Here it is, from TK's facebook page, about today's cancelled flights.

[Edited 2012-02-01 05:22:10]
http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...nedeniyle-iptal-olan-seferler.aspx


[Edited 2012-02-01 05:22:29]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 12079 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
According to the news, tomorrow's weather to be worse, today TK cancelled close to 200 flights. Not only the airport is having problems with reduced movements, inadequate de-icing or problems "Stylo" explained in the previous thread, the roads are in bad shape also; pax, crews having difficulty getting to the airport.

Yes one of my Turkish friends who was visiting family in Istanbul and works in Austria only made it out in time. 48 hours later and he would be stranded also . I wonder what the financial implications will be to TK over this. Certainly unhelpful at a time when we need things to run smoothly.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 12067 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
I wonder what the financial implications will be to TK over this.

I wonder if TK has any of its planes, crews stuck at out stations. Probably not, so that is a relief. Starting Friday temps rise and I bet by Monday things could be back to normal.


User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 11961 times:

It's all sun and wonderful weather here in Bodrum. I hope things improve back at IST by Saturday when I'm due back.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
Before I went to bed, I checked the status of my original Anadolujet flight and saw that the flight left about an hour late but diverted!! Later I found out that the aircraft returned to ADB after a flying time of well over 2 hours.

Close call; In late 2010 it was all chaos for central and western Europe, this year it's our turn I guess.


User currently offlinecmoltay From Turkey, joined Jun 2007, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 11822 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
Starting Friday temps rise and I bet by Monday things could be back to normal.

Meteorologists are expecting more severe weather from 7-8 of Feb next week...It may be too early for an accurate forecast but beware...

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Also, I hear that Hatay airport is flooded and will be closed for a week.

The plain Hatay Airport is built on is a dried up lake, the Amik lake... That's how 3 mt. of water can accumulate...

Regards,


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 11720 times:

News from my friend who was taking his family to France. Finally got on an Orly flight 32 hours after he arrived at IST for his original flight. As expected no bags after 3 days. He wanted to extend his holiday since he lost a day at IST, TK charged him 50 euros per ticket change fee. Not a happy customer.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 11712 times:

Quoting tcm (Reply 9):
Close call; In late 2010 it was all chaos for central and western Europe, this year it's our turn I guess.

Yeah remember it well I was lucky to be in Beirut for two weeks so missed the worst of it . Was a horrible time. Its -2 in Ireland tonight and hopefully our icy spell will be gone by weekend.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 11):
TK charged him 50 euros per ticket change fee. Not a happy customer.

Hmm not sure what the policy should be on that . I guess they could have waived it.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11579 times:

Here is an IST picture fresh from "Wing";
reminds me of years of flying out of ANC.


User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

Looking from the arrival and departures information IST seems to get back to normal again while ADB is now closed as Izmir has seen snowfall again after many years.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
Here is an IST picture fresh from "Wing";

Thanks wings/TK787 for the pic; wishing our c/a a safe flight   


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3025 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11299 times:

yesterday, operations went back to "normal" with only a handful cancellations and delays up to one hour. all incoming aircraft are advised to uplift as much fuel for holdings as possible. as far as I know no diversions experienced.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 11):
He wanted to extend his holiday since he lost a day at IST, TK charged him 50 euros per ticket change fee. Not a happy customer.

ridicoulous! this is not "standard procedure"...


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11186 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 15):

Thanks Stylo,
Does anyone know why TK stock is up from 2.30 to around 2.64 in a couple of days?


User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11146 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 16):
Does anyone know why TK stock is up from 2.30 to around 2.64 in a couple of days?

Well, actually the whole index performed well lately, I don't think it's peculiar to TK. BTW, the Norwegian Central Bank, Norges Bank, now holds about 5% of TK. Interesting....


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10977 times:

Quoting tcm (Reply 17):

Thanks, Norges Bank knows something that we don't.
I hear TK losses for smaller than expected in the 4th quarter, report due in a week.

http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...-londra---ingiltere-seferleri.aspx
Gatwick goes 2 x daily starting May 28th.
and OVB starting March 14th. 3 x weekly.


User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10884 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 18):
I hear TK losses for smaller than expected in the 4th quarter, report due in a week.

Looking forward to see the numbers. To be honest, for me, the real indicator will be 2012. With the improving loads and increased frequencies TK should be able to post some good results this year and start to reap the benefits of its investments. There is no excuse for 2012 unless there is war in the middle east.

BTW, the TK BJV lounge is now also operated by Turkish Do&Co. Wow, I love this company and really wish they were in charge of all the cabin service. Maybe even ground services  They really add value to TK; kind staff, hot towels for a welcome and much improved catering for a domestic lounge. Also the new terminal will be impressive; looking forward to it.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10836 times:

Looking at IST status today, all aircraft taking off 35R facing North.
TK 9 77W to LAX was the only flight taking off South followed immediately by TK5 343 to ORD taking off North on 35R.
Is there a specific reason for TK9 taking off South?
TK9, right after take off made a left hand turn over the airport to head N/NW.
Another interesting thing; even though initially heading South, TK9 caught up with TK5 and overtook it in less than 5 minutes. I looked at speeds; TK9 77W flying at 429knots, whereas TK5 343 357knots. 77W even with more fuel on board flying that much faster that the 343?

[Edited 2012-02-04 02:33:31]

User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10663 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 20):

777 have one engine out limitation northbound takeoffs for LAX and GIG flights because of obstructions in sefakoy region. If there no or less cargo carried, they can make northbound, otherwise must go to the sea side.

343 is poor climber especially when it is heavy, my first ride was little scary because whole runway was used and very little positive climb over "fidanlık"


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

Quoting MeCe (Reply 21):

Mece,
Thanks for this huge info. It sounded really weird listening to the ATC. TK9 was specifically given extra time to position and take off toward the sea, in between all kinds of traffic.
-BA 763 landing at runway 5 followed by TK332F
-343 to ORD on the other side of the runway taking off due North.

I totally agree with you on the 343 hairdryers versus the GE-90. I have been on many 343 rides before my first trip on a 777. And oh boy, what a great power to feel at take off to about 2000feet and than ease down on the throttle and it flies effortlessly.

Thanks for this.


User currently offlineumit From Turkey, joined May 2009, 131 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10513 times:

I flew to Zurich on 28th when there was a heavy snow in Istanbul. Check in was disastreus .Only A and B counters were open at 6 am with 3 staff were working in each when there were hundreds of passengers in the lines. I got in to the line at about 5.45 and at 7 finally a guy came around and started shouting if there were any Zurich and Vienna passengers. If it did not happen I would have not made the flight. As usual many passengers started to argue with the staff but answerback was very familiar "go and talk to maneger , this is not my problem" . Flight was smooth and on both ways (return trip was on february 4th) . Even though TK web site shows both legs are operated by 737 both leg was 321 and captains were foreigners.It seems TK is globally ours in the air but not ours on the ground.I wonder why planes reduce the power as soon as they took off ?

User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10458 times:

Quoting umit (Reply 23):

Good to hear that you did not have any cancellations and thanks for sharing your experience. I couldn't resist posting this link to the following thread. While I agree that ground services in IST are far from perfect; many ground staff worked long and difficult hours to keep the inconveniences to a minimum.

Cancelled Flights At LHR Sun 5th Feb (by boacboac Feb 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)#68


25 Post contains images umit : Thanks ... What I dont know / understand , is it or was it normal to have only few agents at that time of the day which was known to be a rough day ?
26 MeCe : 'R welcome TK787. Even it is very seldom; sometimes misunderstanding occurs between ATC and TK, than huge delays expected these flights. Once time we
27 Turkish350XWB : I once heard a joke that tells that the A340 is just taking off because of the earth's curvature...
28 Post contains links emrecan : According to this article; http://www.airporthaber.com/selcuk-icin-karar-ani--37854h.html TC-JIJ is leaving the fleet soon. Also on July TC-JIK will l
29 ju068 : Does it say what will become of these birds?
30 emrecan : It is mentioned that on March, 3 A330s will join the fleet..
31 ju068 : But the A340s will they be put up for sale or will they be scrapped?
32 emrecan : They are the leased A340s (JIK-JIJ). They may return to Air Jamaica (not sure) TC-JDJ is on sale but I don't know the last situation.
33 TK787 : Actually I don't know when they last renegotiated the lease terms but originally those two ex Jamaican birds were to stay till 2014. Also -JDJ were t
34 ju068 : Cool, thanks a lot for the information.
35 leftyboarder : According to latest investor presentations (Dec 11), the fleet in 2015 will look like this: 17 A330 7 A340 12 B777 So 3 new 330s and 2 340s are out, t
36 TK1244 : These are leased from ILFC, so I think they will be stored until they find a new operator when they are returned.
37 Post contains links leftyboarder : Bologna getting a second daily? http://www.guidaviaggi.it/notizie/14...-progetta-secondo-volo-su-bologna/
38 LAXintl : I understand there still might be hope for a United service to IST this year. Presumably they just received some slots.
39 bmibaby737 : Can anyone confirm that this last flew on 29 November 2011, please?
40 Turkish350XWB : Guys, the pax numbers for Jan have been released. If they are correct, IST traffic grew by an impressive 26 % in Jan, despite snow chaos. Let's see if
41 OA260 : Thats certainly impressive results. Do they break it down by route etc... ?
42 Post contains links leftyboarder : Unfortunately not. Only itn'l vs domestic. Here's the link: http://dhmi.gov.tr/getBinaryFile.asp...?Type=13&dosyaID=3&IstatistikID=55
43 OA260 : Arr ok it would have been nice to see where they are getting the traffic from and which routes are getting the most increase for transit Via IST . I
44 Post contains images leftyboarder : Whoa... 3rd daily to JFK in summer from TK. Totally unexpected, no? TK003 IST0725 – 1120JFK 333 D TK001 IST1100 – 1445JFK 77W D TK011 IST1715 –
45 Emrecan : Great news. It will be perfect to see 2 TK birds at the same time in JFK. Hope to see some more like BA birds...
46 leftyboarder : But is there any connectivity for the IST-JFK sector? are there very early morning arrivals that can feed TK3?
47 bahadir : Don't most of the middle east destinations come really early morning, leaving ist around midnight or right before? This will also give anyone to have
48 NuD38 : Also PEK (04:25), PVG (05:20), HKG (05:25) and CAN (05:50) 777 arrivals are in the same wave among other routes.
49 TK787 : It was unexpected, I wonder if this will be year around. This is incredible news for this NY'er. I wonder if UA will still go ahead with their plans.
50 Turkish350XWB : Yes, connecting from FarEast to JFK will be good, but in the other direction a disaster as the flights to FarEast depart around midnight and the last
51 OA260 : The timings are certainly different . We may see surprises about the popularity of this . Id say it will do well.
52 RobK : Snippets: TC-CPC name will be Oyku. TC-JYC name will be Eregu, due for del Jun 2012 after fuel tanks mods at PATS.
53 stylo777 : is that a plane for Pegasus?
54 Post contains links tcm : IST-GRU to be extended to EZE inclusive of 5th freedom traffic rights in June this year. Well I wasn't expecting this to happen so soon; considering t
55 NuD38 : QR flies the same GRU-EZE-GRU route. Any idea about the yields? TK bird had 4 hours 55 minutes layover time at GRU. A little adjustment would do the j
56 leftyboarder : 1 hr at GRU to disembark and board new pax, 3 hr to EZE, 1 hr (optimistic ?) to turn the plane around, 2.5 hrs to GRU, and 1 hr at GRU adds up to 8.5
57 TK787 : Besides turnaround times when this first came up I also pointed out to how to crew this GRU-EZE-GRU sector. Welll who knows, maybe in a few years EZE
58 stylo777 : they can not operate all the way to EZE with only one crew; therefore, the crew doing IST-GRU will operate GRU-EZE-GRU the next day.
59 NuD38 : Not necessarily. Eastbound flights depart after 23:00 (exception of NRT). Current GRU-IST flight arrives at 17:35 which makes it possible. QR layover
60 TK1244 : Yes, after TC-A**, Pegasus started to use TC-C** as registered number for its aircraft
61 stylo777 : it is a tough one to turn the aircraft in EZE in 1:15h. also, you have to consider that QR uses the 77L with 259 seats wheras TK operates the 77W wit
62 MeCe : If my memory serves right 777 has 100 minutes turnaround time in IST. I don't know about EZE dynamics, turn around time is mostly ground handling dep
63 stylo777 : Thats true, you can turn a 777 in 100min but you also may not. It all depends in the ground handler and if I'm not mistaken, there is a monopoly in E
64 Steelyman : In european stations the ground time remains the same whether the operating aircraft is A321 or B777, I've seen this aircraft being sent back to IST
65 ju068 : Turkish Airlines will revise and increase its operations in Belgrade from 7 to 12. New flights: IST-BEG-IST TK 1081 07:45-08:25 TK 1082 09:20-12:00 IS
66 ju068 : I just saw that both flights on Wednesdays are operated by B737-400, how often does Turkish Airlines use their B737-400 internationally?
67 Post contains images RobK : Does anyone know what the names are on the Pegasus aircraft? Are they place names or something else? TC-CPB name on official English docs shows as "Do
68 TK787 : PGS give employees' kids names to the planes; this one sounds like DOGA, "Nature", probably a girls name.
69 Northstar80 : yes, the name of the last born daughter of a Pegasus employee before the delivery of the aircraft.
70 Turkish350XWB : airlineroute reports TK's changes on the schedule for European destinations in S12. Quite an addition. But i am surprised that the have many arrivals
71 TurkishSky : Far Eastern departures are also moved forward to after midnight...
72 Post contains links TK748 : New Bilateral Air Services Agreement with Côte d'Ivoire, 14 weekly frequency for Abidjan - IST and 5th freedom right for Accra - Lat Am Flights. Sour
73 Post contains links leftyboarder : Indeed! Some routes get doubled frequencies.. Unbelievable... TK is still registering double digit growth, for Jan 2012. Of course base effect might
74 leftyboarder : That is probably because initially Abidjan will be served via Accra. Basically Cote d'Ivoire has allowed TK to fly passengers between Abidjan and Acc
75 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : European route changes as of 13 February, 2012 — TK Summer 12 — http://goo.gl/Emdcr
76 TK748 : No check again, It is said that, Turkish Carriers got 5th freedom right to fly passengers between Latin America and Accra.
77 leftyboarder : I think what they mean is, both IST-ACC-Abidjan, and IST-Abidjan-LatAm are allowed. TK may or may not use this second option (I hope not).
78 Post contains images ASA : Thanks for the link! That is a huge change to the European schedule ... almost every destination got a 50-100% increase in weekly service. Where is a
79 TK787 : I think both. During winter probably TK did most of its mechanical checks and ready for summer. Also this year; -3 x 333 -7 x 739 -2 x 738 -6 x 321 -
80 TK787 : Happy Anniversary TK! 1st international flight on Feb 13th, 1947, ESB-IST-ATH.
81 Post contains links tkfan : What do you guys understand of this ; "Mevcut hava limanına yeni bir pist yapılması etüt çalışmalarını yaptık. Bununla ilgili bir kanaat olu
82 TK1244 : What I understand is although they are working on a new runway (in IST), the need for a third airport will still remain.
83 tkfan : Yes, thats what they say all the time, but what does 'Bununla ilgili kanaat olustu'. My understanding is, they have an opinion/idea, but if that is p
84 Avianca : well I was (and sure not only my) looking forwarding that the flight would be taged to LIM instead to EZE. What is really nice that now GIG, GRU - EZ
85 Post contains links and images ASA : I just googled for "ataturk airport expansion" and found this fairly recent post in a Pakistani airspace forum with an Istanbul airport expansion map
86 Post contains links and images TK1244 : This map was posted by tcm in December 2011: Turkish Aviation December 2011 (by TK787 Nov 30 2011 in Civil Aviation)[Edited 2012-02-13 22:24:28]
87 Post contains images tcm : I have no doubt we will see more Latin American expansion by TK in the years to come; including LIM. Turkey wants to increase its economic ties with
88 Post contains links LAXintl : I noticed something interesting in the press release about Azerbaijan Hava Yollari ordering winglets on its fleet of 767-300 aircraft. Part of the wor
89 stylo777 : quite ambitious, but why not? if the quality-price ratio is good, most EU airlines would also come as customers. which are the top-5 largest MRO comp
90 cuban8 : According to me, an additional runway in IST is the only way to go for now. It would probably solve the congestion problems at the airport for at lea
91 Post contains links tcm : TK is starting Mogadishu in March as IST-KRT-MGQ. See link for more details: http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...li-ucuslari-6-martta-basliyor.aspx
92 Post contains images MeCe : Area of purposed runway is already occupied with building etc. The cost of demolition and paying for their owners will be huge. This job will be end
93 Post contains links tcm : OMG, TK to announce 1bn TL loss for the whole year of 2011. Wow, that must hurt. Link: http://www.airporthaber.com/thy-bir-...lyar-tl-zarar-acikladi-3
94 Turkish350XWB : That's huge and eats the profit of the last years. But i don't think this will have personal consequences... Not in Turkey.
95 leftyboarder : A huge loss indeed.. Let's see how 2012 turns out, hopefully better. Over 2bn in forex losses? What's up with that?
96 umit : it is again from the foreign exchange . Many firms with liabilities in FX have this problem . HOWEVER, year end rate was, if I am not mistaken, close
97 tcm : I also think that the size of the 2011 loss should have consequences. I know TK is growing and investing heavily and a loss was to be expected, but t
98 tcm : Couldn't they have hedged themselves for possible foreign exchange fluctuations?
99 ju068 : It was also announced that Turkish Airlines will be increasing flights to Tashkent from 5 weekly to daily. Also the route sees new schedule, like most
100 umit : hedging is usually expensive specially in TL . So many companies do not hedge themselves fully . İf TK had hedged themselves they would have reduced
101 tcm : Thanks Umit; I guess we will still discuss the 2011 numbers when more information will be available.
102 Post contains links OA260 : Interesting article and photo in Skylife from when it was the 60th Anniversary : Turkish Airlines, or the State Airlines as it was called in those da
103 TK787 : I wasn't expecting this high! Let's be realistic. EK, LH are also growing and investing. Is it as simple as putting the blame on; -Not expecting the
104 Post contains images tcm : Some went over to QR. The growth achieved over the last years is still very impressive, TK is still achieving double digit traffic growth. A more mat
105 tcm : BTW, the consolidated results that will be reported to the Capital Board (SPK) should give us a better picture.
106 Post contains links TK748 : European Union member countries authorized the European Commission to sign a horizontal civil aviation agreement with Turkey. Source: http://www.hurri
107 umit : Many Arab/Golf countries have fixed exchange rates therefore they would not have exchange losses . Also they have been using (at least partly) cheaper
108 tcm : The foreign exchange issue is only one part of the story. To make an analogy, TK is a a/c taking off trying to reach cruising altitude. This involves
109 leftyboarder : I wonder what kind of consequences we might see. If TK decides to do some cost cutting that results in reduced services levels, I bet that will not fa
110 tcm : AFAIK, TK is competitive in regard to its operating costs. I also think cost cutting that results in reduced service levels is not the answer. By con
111 umit : I agree .. I am only looking at one side of the picture. Other sides , I am not a sector specialist. But, unless there is a fraud or kind of wrong do
112 Turkish350XWB : This losses did not fall from the sky. This is been known by the management for months. But what makes me wonder is the plans of investing into a loss
113 TK787 : I agree. Maybe the numbers are not that bad and hope profits will return; but let's not forget, the future is not any rosier.. -EU still struggling -
114 ankaraflyjet : TK should improve its association with * Alliance carriers in North America. First of all there should be a codeshare of a North American operator on
115 TK787 : On a different note, skyliners-aviation.de reports that TC-TUR, the government 332 is flown to SKF, for VIP cabin configuration yesterday.
116 Post contains images ASA : My wish has been granted! Beginning March 24, TK will have decoupled the Dhaka, Bangladesh flights from a [rather useless] stop in Karachi, Pakistan.
117 Turkish350XWB : Arrival time to IST makes miss all North American destinations (except JFK at 5pm). The same problem will appear with flights to Indian destinations
118 TurkishWings : As of the new summer schedule, TK 1 departure moves to 13:05. ASA is only interested in JFK and this works perfectly for him...
119 ASA : Not sure if I'm looking at it wrong, but IAD works with about 2 hours of transit time too. LAX and ORD flights have less than two though ... not sure
120 Turkish350XWB : True. AND i just checked the other destinations and ORD, LAX, IAD and YYZ also depart around 13 hours. Just perfect! They prepare the North American
121 stylo777 : Very unlikely to be happen with A++ jointventure in place. Nobody is going to share his piece of the cake with TK, especially on those milk-run route
122 ankaraflyjet : So if AC cannot enter into a code-share with TK because of their situation with LH, TK should try to find other ways of increasing its presence in Ca
123 Post contains images stylo777 : wrong, they can enter a code-share agreement which is in no way related to their JV with LH and UA, but they wouldn't if they don't see any advantage
124 TK787 : According to boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com TC-JYC, TK's 3rd 739ER, had its first flight yesterday, 2/16/2012. Let's see if this is going to take 5
125 ASA : That is actually a very good sign. TK is planning head-on competition with EK, EY, QR on these routes. For India, there are quite a few choices, but
126 flyyul : I think TK is more interested in Montreal (YUL) given the large number of Lebanese, Romanian, Iranian, Egyptian, Greek, Syrian, North African communi
127 TK1244 : In an other topic, I came across this reply: I was wondering, how true is this comment?
128 Post contains images bahadir : i can confirm, I was in the office and watching it.. There is a newly painted Pegasus 737 in Renton too I don't know about the TK but some charter ai
129 Northstar80 : as much as I love TK.. Cant say it is totally wrong. A friend of mine was seated on the jumpseat during the course of a 12 hour flight, back around t
130 Post contains links TK787 : TK serves the best food, (Survey) http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/li...ch-airline-serves-best-food-845565
131 TK1244 : Thank you for your replies guys.
132 Post contains links tcm : Well, it's finally happening. UA to start daily EWR-IST from July 2nd. See: http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=11132 (Turkish)
133 tozbek : United starting New York Newark-Istanbul Ataturk flights on July 2nd with Boeing 767-300ER's daily.
134 Post contains links TK748 : Good analysis of LOT's candidates by former senior analyst of LOT; Source: http://biznes.onet.pl/dla-kogo-lot,18494,5033110,1,news-detal (Polish Only)
135 stylo777 : here are the flighttimes: UA 904 D EWR A IST 1927 1220+1 0 01JUL12 26OCT12 763 9:53 UA 905 D IST EWR A 1355 1802 0 02JUL12 27OCT12 763 11:07
136 Avianca : well they would be very welcomed, also in SouthAmerica we have already a nice Turkish community. Also I am very familar to them as my roots are germa
137 Post contains links TK773ER : I know there was talk of this but it does sound like TK really wanting to expand into Indian market here is the link http://www.topnews.in/turkish-air
138 Post contains links TK773ER : Dhaka also going direct great news for Bangladesh http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=223361 And like i said above is there mor
139 ASA : Great news, indeed! I flew the route via KHI in Oct 2011 - can't wait to fly it non-stop! Hopefully, this direct flight will generate a lot of intere
140 Post contains links TK773ER : As of next month Stockholm going three times daily http://www.arlanda.se/en/Information...es-between-Stockholm-and-Istanbul/ TK must have good traffic
141 Post contains links TK773ER : Does anyone here know how and why this Atlasjet ended up in my hometown ? http://www.airliners.net/photo/2055428/M/ I mean i know it was helping out w
142 TK787 : It has already been 3 years to date since the TK AMS crash. That was a terrible day to remember, to see the tail of a broken TK bird on CNN, first thi
143 Post contains links TK787 : TK 1 took the usual Northerly route today, TK 11 is coming from the South adding another 300sm to the route. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY11
144 Web : TK announced IST-HRK today via their RSS news feed. I cannot get the link to work, though.
145 Post contains links TK787 : Planned for some time now, find it here: http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/26/tk-hrk-s12
146 TK748 : Twice a week, weak startup. Does PC force TK to weak start? Good movement before the UEFA Euro 2012 in June, Kharkiv is one of four Ukrainian host cit
147 Post contains links TK787 : Please continue here: Turkish Aviation March 2012 (by TK787 Feb 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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