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UA To Improve ORD Terminal 2  
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22992 posts, RR: 20
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9913 times:

The Chicago Tribune is reporting that UA plans improvements to Terminal 2 at ORD to include a new, larger United Club and 10 new jet bridges.

This will substantially reduce the amount of ground boarding at Terminal 2, but I don't believe it will eliminate it; I believe there are 15 or so ground boarding positions on F currently (3 at F1, 3 at F2, 2 at F6, 1 at F10, 3 at F11 and 3 at F12). There are also 3 or so ground boarding positions on the "banana peel" on B, which I assume will remain unchanged.


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User currently offlineboeingkid From United States of America, joined May 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9761 times:

Glad to hear that Term 2 is the oldest terminal at ORD you can tell by the low ceilings

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9696 times:

Quoting boeingkid (Reply 1):
Glad to hear that Term 2 is the oldest terminal at ORD you can tell by the low ceilings

Actually it's the same age at Term 3....both were built back around 1960. When AA did its remodel around 1990 they put in the domed ceilings. Concourse L is the newest part of the T2/T3 complex built in 1983. UAs Terminal 1 dates from 1986 and T5 is 1993.



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User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9560 times:

Since the new terminal at MDW was built, the facilities at both Chicago airports have been for the most part, pretty good (though I wouldn't call them world class like I would DTW) with T2 being a the notable sore thumb. I'd love nothing more than to see it razed to the ground. I was thinking about it a while ago and I was wondering how well something like this would work to get it done.
- Construct a temporary (or maybe not) concourse for UAX west of C after 32L/14R is shut down
- Find any spot, if only temporary for DL, US, and AC to move to (They can probably squeeze AC somewhere in 1 and if AA downsizes at all more space may open up in 3 again)
- Take a wrecking ball to 2 and build a new international terminal that can handle UA widebodies (and their alliance partners that currently fly out of 1)
- Reconfigure the west side of C where they currently have widebodies into an RJ facility.

AA would probably want in on this as well but it would all depend on space. They might be able to build it bigger if they also build a temp concourse for eagle and rebuilt G as part of T2, but that would depend on them having money in the future.

Of course this is probably a pipe dream so I shouldn't stress too much about logistics.

[Edited 2012-02-03 20:11:51]

User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9519 times:

Thank God! That place is a dump; I hope they do something with it. Although, from reading the article, it doesn't seem like they intend to do much other than add jet bridges and a new United Club.

chootie, I hear ya about IAD. The C/D mid-field terminal is another dump.

Although, there are worse!



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9210 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Thread starter):
This will substantially reduce the amount of ground boarding at Terminal 2, but I don't believe it will eliminate it; I believe there are 15 or so ground boarding positions on F currently (3 at F1, 3 at F2, 2 at F6, 1 at F10, 3 at F11 and 3 at F12). There are also 3 or so ground boarding positions on the "banana peel" on B, which I assume will remain unchanged.

UA might be thinking of reducing RJ flights and having more mainline. Could the F area gates you mention be used for mainline aircraft instead, even widebodies? A 3x larger United Club could support that....

I'm pretty ignorant about ORD ops, having only flown out of there twice.


User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1043 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 4):
Thank God! That place is a dump; I hope they do something with it. Although, from reading the article, it doesn't seem like they intend to do much other than add jet bridges and a new United Club.

Never really understood F. It's a dump as you say, worst in the US? Pretty close. Certainly the worst UA club. Hard to imagine that UA would rather transfer PAX there vs. DEN or CLE which are shrinking. Not to mention, they do not have to lay capital out at either of those locations to make it happen. Probably gives us some insight into the plans for those locations however. I'm not sure if all mainline would work either in F...where to put the people and how to get so many more from B/C to F? Perfume on the pig in my mind.


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5032 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

Terminal 2 is the same age as 3 & 4, but the concourse is newer. The original concourse for what's now called T2 held NW, EA, CO and BN. Wasn't that razed when they were building T1 and this concourse is the replacement?


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 7):
Terminal 2 is the same age as 3 & 4, but the concourse is newer. The original concourse for what's now called T2 held NW, EA, CO and BN. Wasn't that razed when they were building T1 and this concourse is the replacement?

There is no Terminal 4.

E and F were original concourses...D was razed when they built T1.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22992 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8672 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 5):
Could the F area gates you mention be used for mainline aircraft instead, even widebodies? A 3x larger United Club could support that....

There are F gates that can support mainline. 14 and 7 can with no modification (14 can take a 744 IIRC). 12 could probably take 2 mainline aircraft with some jetbridge rearrangement.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2226 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8406 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 7):
Terminal 2 is the same age as 3 & 4, but the concourse is newer. The original concourse for what's now called T2

I believe the original ORD was Concourse A, which was the commuter terminal in the 1960s and 1970s before being razed, Concourses B/C, which became the international terminal before being razed to build the UA terminal, and Concourse D, which, as you said, was used by NW, CO, BN, EA, and PI, before also being razed to build T1.

T2 and T3, and Concourses E/F, G, and H/K, were built a few years after Concourses A-D.

There was a T4 at one time; it was the temporary international terminal in the basement of the parking garage, that was used from when Concourses B/C were razed in 1984/85 until T5 opened in 1992/93.



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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5032 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

Weird how there is no 4. What terminal does that concourse off the round section belong to? That's the one that used to house TW? Terminal 2 or 3.


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 3):
Since the new terminal at MDW was built, the facilities at both Chicago airports have been for the most part, pretty good (though I wouldn't call them world class like I would DTW) with T2 being a the notable sore thumb. I'd love nothing more than to see it razed to the ground. I was thinking about it a while ago and I was wondering how well something like this would work to get it done.

UA's terminal, whichever one that is (I think terminal 1) has held up EXTREMELY well for it's age. I think it's from 1989 and it's still cutting edge looking.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 3):
Find any spot, if only temporary for DL, US, and AC to move to (They can probably squeeze AC somewhere in 1 and if AA downsizes at all more space may open up in 3 again)

AA CEO Tom Horton expects departures out of the cornerstones, inlcuding ORD, to increase by 20% by 2017. So not only will AA not be vacating any space, but a few of the jet bridges that have been taken down may need to be reinstalled.


User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

Quoting boeingkid (Reply 1):
you can tell by the low ceilings

To me, more glass and higher ceilings are the improvement in the current generation of gate areas. More open space with shops and restaurants are a big plus also.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22992 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7728 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 11):
What terminal does that concourse off the round section belong to? That's the one that used to house TW? Terminal 2 or 3.

Terminal 3, but I think that's only because it houses MQ. It's equidistant from E/F and H/K.



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User currently offlineytib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12):
Weird how there is no 4.

Terminal 4 existed from 1984 to 1993 and was the international terminal which is now the location transportation center in the parking garage.


User currently offlinefjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

That's good...Terminal F is a complete dump. Worse than the old NW facilities at DTW before the midfield terminal opened. When the UAX ops start to get backed up its like re-enacting the fall of Saigon each day.


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User currently offlineordbosshog From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

Quoting fjnovak1 (Reply 17):
That's good...Terminal F is a complete dump. Worse than the old NW facilities at DTW before the midfield terminal opened. When the UAX ops start to get backed up its like re-enacting the fall of Saigon each day.

I prefer Pearl Harbor....


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 5):
Could the F area gates you mention be used for mainline aircraft instead, even widebodies?
Quoting fun2fly (Reply 6):
. I'm not sure if all mainline would work either in F...where to put the people and how to get so many more from B/C to F? Perfume on the pig in my mind.

Terminal 2 in its heyday, all mainline and plenty of widebodies (although those are centered on concourse E):

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/IMG_4235.jpg



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1153 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6915 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12):
UA's terminal, whichever one that is (I think terminal 1) has held up EXTREMELY well for it's age. I think it's from 1989 and it's still cutting edge looking.

If you don't mind that the waiting areas are too small and it's packed most of the time, it's great.


User currently offlinewilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

The terminal is a throw back to the 60s,which in itself is cool. When I went through there in 87, when it was UA's home and T1 was being built, I thought I was walking through the set of the movie Airport...............Pretty cool really, even with its low ceilings and plastic chairs..............yes they had plastic chairs in the waiting areas.

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6524 times:

There are no plastc chairs in T2. I just went through there couple of weeks ago. The problem with O'Hare is that it was designed for a different era when people walked off the street straight to the gate. Now with all that security there is no space left for waiting area or restaurants. Even the newest T5 has very limited space at check-in and virtually nothing once you go through security. T3 was moved a bit towards the street making the departure and arrival hall a bit bigger, but nothing was done at T2.

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6405 times:
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What are the plans for the small and worn United International First Class lounge?

It really is so, so far behind the rest of the industries International First Class lounges (IAD TOO)



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User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

Parts of T2 were renovated about 7 years ago. The carpet was removed from the F concourse and replaced with tile. The area past the O'Hare plane where the sushi is had the ceiling area fixed up about 4 years ago. That part of the terminal just past the security checkpoint by Starbucks and Johnny Rocket's isn't horrible. The rest is a dump even after the improvements. As several have said there is very little seating in the gate areas. If it is during a very busy time of the day, people are often standing or sitting in the hallway. With jetways in only a handful of UAX gates which typically are used for the CRJ700's (first class), the passengers often have to schlep their carryons down a flights of stairs and walk outside to their airplane. The area around F1 is the worst with the long walk past the bagroom and often construction projects going on.

Quite honestly, the only other worse US gateway airport that UA uses as a hub is LAX.


25 Cubsrule : Actually, Terminal 2 got New Face of O'Hare as well (around the same time period, 2006-2007 or so).
26 william : Happy times.......was a pretty efficient concourse to make connections.
27 VC10er : What are the plans for the small and worn United International First Class lounge? It really is so, so far behind the rest of the industries Internati
28 nycdave : I really am wondering just how much can be done about the terminal spaces at ORD -- and who would pay for it. Right now it seems like the main capital
29 Hypoxik : F11 has 4 spot A - D same with F12 A - D. Yet A has a jetway.
30 milesrich : They were opened in the spring, I believe March or April of 1962. When I moved to and flew to IDL from ORD, on UA 860, on 4 Jan 62, the new terminals
31 SurfandSnow : T2 is absolutely abominable. It is one of the most cramped, dirty, crowded, overloaded, worst terminal facilities in the country - and most others on
32 TOMMY767 : This used to be the Delta Flight Center back in the 1980s, correct? Then AA took in over sometime in the 1990s?
33 FWAERJ : It opened up as the Delta Flight Center, and DL then subleased some gates to AA in the early 1990s. DL turned over their T3 leases to the Chicago Dep
34 jfklganyc : "Terminal 2 in its heyday, all mainline and plenty of widebodies (although those are centered on concourse E)" Makes you wonder how this industry went
35 TOMMY767 : I had no idea that terminal even existed in that form...wow.. But honestly, I'm sure it had to be awfully cramped and completely outgrown by the 80s
36 ericaasen : NW subleased 4 to CO and now DL subleases E7 to US.
37 United1 : They used to have more than 8...the city got on their case for under-utilizing their gates and basically told them use them or they would take the ga
38 United1 : Basically...by the time T1 entered UA had already outgrown it and kept their lease on some of the lower gates on E and F. US and CO were out on the e
39 milesrich : Originally, where United's 1980's Terminal 1 is located is where the original ORD terminal was. When what is now referred to as T2 and T3 were opened
40 WA707atMSP : Ozark's inability to expand their ORD facilities in the 1970s caused some tension between OZ and UA. In the Dec 1976 issue of Air Transport World, OZ
41 ckfred : In both T2 and T3, the curtain wall was ripped off. The floors and roofs were extended to the front sidewalk. Then, new curtain walls were installed.
42 jsnww81 : This was the Global Gateway plan. It was developed separately from the airfield reconfiguration. You've covered all the components nicely... the T2 c
43 Post contains links ZBA2CGX : I believe it is the World Gateway plan. Here is the record of decision (140 pages of fun) http://www.faa.gov/airports/environm...od_chicago_ohare_wor
44 jsnww81 : World Gateway, you're right. My mistake. Funny how long ago 2000 now seems!
45 OzarkD9S : Total flashback! I had that issue for years...got lost somewhere along the line. Interestingly it also mentioned that OZ's number 3 station was PIA,
46 nyc2theworld : Global Gateway was CO and the PANYNJ's plan for Newark which included the expansion of Terminal C and the monorail.
47 commavia : You say that ... and I don't necessarily disagree with you. But what I think is absolutely incredible is how close AA and United now are in terms of
48 CIDFlyer : terminal 2 at ORD makes even MEM look like a palace. Something really needs to be done with it! Terminal 3 with AA is a little better, but could use s
49 commavia : Agree to an extent, although I've never found T3 to be too severely dated or dirty, and either way, Eagle's G concourse is definitely way nicer than
50 jsnww81 : Fully agree... my comment wasn't meant as a dig at UA or AA, really. Just remarkable to think how much mainline departures have fallen in the last de
51 TOMMY767 : UAL's terminal has held up better than AA's late 80s rennovation. I can't walk through T-3 without thinking Home Alone.
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