United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9252 posts, RR: 14 Posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
Boeing has shelved its B 747X Program some time ago. However, they also stated that they would protect its ability to build a larger B 747, when customers indicate that there is a need.
But I think sooner or later, Boeing will start pushing its B 747X a lot harder. Although they never took it seriously....
Actually, what I believe is that the B 747X Stretch is the failure, not the B 747X. Why?
The B 747X can carry 50 extra passengers than the B 747-400. And it is the world's longest ranged airliner. Therefore, there is a good chance that, when it comes to a point that the earliest B 747-400s need to be replaced, airlines may look into the B 747X.
I have spoken with a few Airline Operation Managers and they believe that the B 747X will take off some day. Airlines will probably replace some of its B 744s with B 747X, and the rest with B 747-400ER.
Airlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2188 times:
I think that when the B747X is finally pushed by Boeing, the first customers will be those like NWA who have had a long history with Boeing, and the 747. Yes, some will steer towards the A380, but a lot (in my opinion) will go with what has worked in the past- the 747.
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Catpac From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2149 times:
Boeing 747-400 is old. Yes ok, an airline can buy a new one today for some 150mil, but a lot of the design originates from the pre 1969....? Hence Cathay is replacing their 744 within the next five years, unless they might decide for an agressive upgrade.
I think that latest aircraft like the B777/A330/340, etc are much more reliable and environment friendly compared to the 747.
So I would doubt that many leading airlines will be flying the 744 after 2010, especially since new aircraft are coming out, like the B777LR, A340/500-600, A380,...an airline operating the 744 would find it hard to compete against more modern equipment that some carriers will be operating.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9252 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2143 times:
Cathay Pacific changes their mind from time to time. As you may know, it is very likely that, they will drop the A 380 in favour of the Sonic Cruiser, according to the CEO of Cathay Pacific. Therefore, the only aircraft which can fill up their flights from HKG to TPE/LAX/YVR etc would be the B 747-400.
They may order the B 747-400ER, or upgrade their B 747-400.
Besides, the B 747-400ER, as well as the B 747X have gone through massive amount of improvements. Therefore, they are able to compete with today's aircraft. Boeing said that their B 747X is as advanced as the A 380.
FlyTriStar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2140 times:
The Boeing 747-400 is still relatively new. With the launch of the Boeing 747-400ER, I think that Boeing would keep the production line open for at least another 10 years.
However, they forecast a much less demand for airliners in the 500+ seat market than Airbus, which has already launched their A380 superjumbo. I think that the A380 would only be able to make money by deploying it between large city pairs, and that all others would be served by the medium-sized airliners like the 777/767 and A340/330. Having these smallers ones allow more flexibility for the airline, as they can be switched to serve any type of city, and when capacity is needed on the majors, they can just add frequency. The A380 would be a money-maker only in the peak seasons.
So, will a formal replacement for a Boeing 747-400 be developed in the future? I don't think so. It would probably be eventually replaced by the A380s or the medium-sized airliners. If netiher are not the case, the 777-300LR would be able to take the place anyway...
Catpac From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2111 times:
The sonic cruiser is still only an imagination aircraft saved on Boeing's computer, so how can Cathay already dump their A380 options for something that has not even been fully defined, and if that is the case, where did you get that info from?
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8131 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2051 times:
I think right now Boeing is looking at this possibility:
1. Build a 747 with the same fuselage length as the original 747X proposal, but with a slight area ruling of the fuselage to reduce high-speed drag.
2. Use the 747X wing.
3. Use Rolls-Royce Trent 972 or Engine Alliance GP7200 engines.
The result: a 747 with the same seating capacity as the 747X (e.g. 50 more pax than the 747-400) but with Mach 0.90-0.91 economical cruising speed and range approaching 9,000 nautical miles. Boeing will likely call it the 747-700 (not 747-500 or 747-600 designations since they were used for the original stretch proposals of the 1990's).
I think these airlines might be interested in the longer-range, faster 747:
South African Airways
Cathay Pacific Airways
This new 747 could offer most of the advantages of the Sonic Cruiser but with at least 744 carrying capacity and 777-200LR range.